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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:14 PM
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26. Yes, lets beware of propaganda
The actual ballot language:

Increase current funding by approximately $565 million and require State to provide annual funding increases equal to the rate of inflation for public schools, intermediate school districts, community colleges, and higher education (includes state universities and financial aid/grant programs).


In what universe does this equate to "Nothing is going into the classroom--it will not pay for supplies, teacher salaries, programs for students, or anything else."?


Require State to fund any deficiencies from General Fund.


Base funding for school districts with a declining enrollment on three-year student enrollment average.


Again, in what universe do these provisions equate to "Nothing is going into the classroom--it will not pay for supplies, teacher salaries, programs for students, or anything else."?


Reduce and cap retirement fund contribution paid by public schools, community colleges and state universities; shift remaining portion to state.


This seems to be your main objection. God forbid that teachers have a secure retirement, nevermind that "good benefits" have *always* been the trade off for low pay, and has convinced many a bright person to go into teaching when they could have made more elsewhere. Take away the "benefits" that off-set low pay, and only an idiot would go into the profession. Do you *want* idiots teaching the next generation? (And yes, in case you're wondering, I have teachers in my family, including my husband, and four of my cousins, and I can guarantee you that having a pension was one of the main factors in deciding to go into the job. It doesn't pay enough to actually *save* for retirement.)

But, even if you don't care about the quality of teachers in our schools, doesn't reducing the funding burden on local school districts free up money for other things? Including "supplies, teacher salaries, programs for students or anything else"?


Reduce funding gap between school districts receiving basic per-pupil foundation allowance and those receiving maximum foundation allowance.


And once again, in what universe does this equate to "Nothing is going into the classroom--it will not pay for supplies, teacher salaries, programs for students, or anything else."?

If everybody benefits - *both* by attracting more businesses (jobs), and by attracting good teachers - shouldn't everybody pay? Isn't that pretty much the definition of "the common good"?


I will not respond at all to the peculiar viciousness of reply #19

LOL. Providing information from the "other side" is "vicious"? Heh.

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  - Thanks for the detailed reponse. nt  skipos   Oct-26-06 01:30 PM   #7 
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  - Thanks!  SharonRB   Oct-29-06 06:13 PM   #28 
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  - I will read more about it  Strawman   Oct-26-06 01:30 PM   #8 
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  - Michigan Municipal League on Eminent Domain/Prop 4  Hidden Stillness   Oct-28-06 12:36 PM   #16 
  - Thanks for this.  SharonRB   Oct-28-06 01:59 PM   #17 
     - I agree. Some proposals sounded good, but I am leaning "no" on all of them now.  skipos   Oct-28-06 03:07 PM   #18 
  - yes, no, no, no, yes  bain_sidhe   Oct-28-06 06:50 PM   #19 
  - No, no ,no, yes,yes  etherealtruth   Oct-28-06 08:02 PM   #20 
  - Yes, No, No, Yes, Yes  MichDem10   Oct-28-06 10:36 PM   #21 
  - Voting no on everything  bif   Oct-29-06 11:17 AM   #22 
  - Beware of Propaganda  Hidden Stillness   Oct-29-06 11:49 AM   #23 
  - Yes, lets beware of propaganda  bain_sidhe   Oct-29-06 02:14 PM   #26 
     - Prop 5 Does Not Fund School Operations; It is a Retirement Fund  Hidden Stillness   Oct-29-06 03:39 PM   #27 
        - That is simply not true  bain_sidhe   Oct-29-06 06:33 PM   #29 
           - Again, No Reference to the Studies of the Proposal  Hidden Stillness   Oct-29-06 09:55 PM   #30 
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