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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 04:49 PM
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21. I certainly understand and respect your position
I definitely do not want to vote for Stabenow, but I just can't rationalize the alternative. It is, literally, a sadistic choice between an enthusiastic torturer and a reluctant one. In my earlier post, I think I was in a bit of denial about it being easy to vote for Stabenow. I must concede that it truly is not at all. I feel sick that I am reduced to rationalizing such an awful choice, but nonetheless, I'm convinced it's the right one for several reasons.

The way I see it is that I am being brutally honest with myself and facing an ugly truth: the best realistic choice we have for US Senator is a woman who voted for torture for political reasons. Someone who will not take a stand when the cost is too high, but can generally be relied upon to vote the right way 80-90% of the time. Mike Bouchard would have cast the same vote along with lots of other crappy votes. If the Dems pick up seats in the Senate and takeover the House, the wind changes and Stabenow with it. There's at least a chance to stop the worst of this stuff under that scenario.

As tempting as it is to disregard costs and benefits associated with the outcome of the Stabenow/Bouchard race and say that they are irrelevant because Stabenow has crossed a terrible line that makes casting a vote for her immoral, I can't. I can't ignore the consequences of a Republican winning that seat because they mean a continuance of everything that has been terrible about Republican rule. More people will be harmed if Stabenow loses even thogu she has allowed to many to be harmed by her acquiescence. At least with Stabenow there is some hope that she will come around to oppose Bush on torture when it's safe, and there is everythign else that impcats the lives of people that a Senator has some influence over. Bouchard will support Bush and the Republicans to a much greater extent. I can't do anything to help that happen.

So I guess my take on it it that I won't sleep at night knowing I indirectly helped the Republicans (who have an agenda with more torture and war on it) just so that I could say I did not vote for someone who crossed a line and cast a vote for torture. I just think there's alot more to consider.

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  -For those considering not voting for Stabenow.... livvy  Sep-29-06 04:07 PM   #0 
  - I can do this-- thanks livvy.  blue4barb   Sep-29-06 04:48 PM   #1 
  - Thanks, livvy  SharonRB   Sep-29-06 11:45 PM   #2 
  - The Senate will be the Senate  JordanLFW   Sep-30-06 10:08 AM   #3 
  - Stabenow is 8-19 points ahead and has at least five times the money.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-06 12:16 PM   #4 
  - stemming the bleeding, preemptively  JordanLFW   Sep-30-06 11:17 PM   #9 
     - As usual, Jordan, you display wisdom beyond your years  SharonRB   Oct-01-06 09:54 AM   #10 
     - Uh-huh. In other words, why fight possible lies? Why stand on principles?  TahitiNut   Oct-01-06 12:22 PM   #11 
  - That makes sense, and helps me to understand why she voted the...  livvy   Sep-30-06 05:36 PM   #5 
  - Thanks, Jordan  SharonRB   Sep-30-06 07:12 PM   #6 
  - I have been seriously thinking about not voting for her...  butterfly77   Sep-30-06 07:55 PM   #7 
  - Someone should challenge her in the primary in 2012  ih8thegop   Sep-30-06 08:20 PM   #8 
  - I'm sorry livvy...but it's really (for me as a mom) getting much more  MrsGrumpy   Oct-01-06 06:02 PM   #12 
  - I understand MrsGrumpy, and I don't like it either.  livvy   Oct-02-06 06:23 AM   #13 
     - Hi livvy!  MrsGrumpy   Oct-02-06 07:07 AM   #14 
  - Already selling out.  lettre de cachet   Oct-02-06 10:51 AM   #15 
  - Yes. Here's the problem with not voting for her out of protest:  Strawman   Oct-02-06 01:21 PM   #16 
  - It's not about that for me... for me, it's about torture.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-02-06 03:53 PM   #18 
  - I certainly understand and respect your position  Strawman   Oct-02-06 04:49 PM   #21 
  - Very well spoken, strawman  SharonRB   Oct-02-06 04:15 PM   #20 
  - I am voting my conscience  skipos   Oct-02-06 02:34 PM   #17 
  - I agree with you, skipos  SharonRB   Oct-02-06 04:14 PM   #19 
  - I wasn't going to continue pushing this....  last1standing   Oct-02-06 08:17 PM   #22 
  - Yep.  TahitiNut   Oct-03-06 10:24 AM   #23 
  - I want a democratic majority  lwfern   Oct-03-06 09:47 PM   #24 
  - I was disappointed in Bouchard, also, for going negative this week  noonwitch   Oct-04-06 09:19 AM   #25 

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