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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:28 PM
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44. That's where the confusion lies.
I think of it as DEMOCRATICunderground as in democratic ideals that don't include torture, you think of it as DEMOCRATicunderground which means that no matter what we have to march in lockstep to the party - right or wrong. I'm not doubting for a second that stabenow is better than her opponent or any of the other comparisons you made. I have also gone out of my way to tell others that I'm not trying to stop them from voting for her. What I am saying is that I won't support a proponent of torture, period. That's it. There'll be no change of mind, and I'm not going to let you railroad me into silence just because you think party is more important than principle.

If Stalin was running as a Dem for senator for Michigan against Hitler as the repub, would you vote for Stalin just because he had a (D) after his name? I know my answer, and yes it is the same kind of choice to me.

I've supported Dems for 20 years now without fail. I've donated, I've phonebanked, I've walked door to door, so please don't try to question my support for the party. But I'll be Damned if I'll pull the lever for a proponent of torture under any circumstance. It just isn't going to happen. So my opinion is that you should do what you need to do on election day to make sure you can sleep well at night, and I'll do the same. Until that time, don't try to bully me out of expressing my opinions here because they're just as valid and just as democratic as yours.
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  -WTF? Stabenow voted aye on the torture bill???????? livvy  Sep-28-06 06:01 PM   #0 
  - That's what I just heard...  CoCre8tor   Sep-28-06 06:14 PM   #1 
  - Unbelievable!  SharonRB   Sep-28-06 06:22 PM   #2 
  - She is no longer a Democrat  waketheherd   Sep-28-06 08:08 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-29-06 07:52 AM   #20 
  - Carl voted "no" -- Here's a link to the rollcall  Bozita   Sep-28-06 08:59 PM   #9 
  - Yes, he did. Carl Levin continues to get my support.  TahitiNut   Sep-29-06 10:35 AM   #26 
  - Would You Vote For Her  herbbrown   Sep-29-06 09:07 AM   #23 
  - I was disappointed in her vote, also, but she'll get my vote.  KalicoKitty   Sep-30-06 04:04 PM   #39 
  - She's lost my vote.  last1standing   Sep-28-06 06:38 PM   #3 
  - So, what, you're going to vote for Bouchard?  SharonRB   Sep-28-06 06:49 PM   #4 
  - There are options...  CoCre8tor   Sep-28-06 07:08 PM   # 
  - You've said it better than I did.  last1standing   Sep-28-06 10:34 PM   #15 
  - I won't vote for senatore this round.  last1standing   Sep-28-06 10:28 PM   #13 
  - Oh I'll vote for her, but I just sent her this  vanboggie   Sep-28-06 09:23 PM   #11 
  - I'm not here to talk anyone out of voting Dem.  last1standing   Sep-28-06 10:30 PM   #14 
     - I totally understand  vanboggie   Sep-28-06 10:43 PM   #16 
  - Why vote for George W. Bouchard? (nt)  ih8thegop   Sep-28-06 11:02 PM   #17 
  - She lost mine, too. She obviously thinks she's getting other votes ...  TahitiNut   Sep-29-06 10:33 AM   #25 
  - I liked her when she was in Michigan  jbnow   Sep-29-06 02:03 PM   #29 
  - Kick ass! Bringing the successful strategies of Nader 2000 to Michigan!  skipos   Sep-30-06 12:35 AM   #32 
     - Torture! Bringing the successful strategies of Torquemada to Michigan!  last1standing   Sep-30-06 11:21 AM   #35 
        - Unfortunately, that strategy has already been implemented, so now it is  skipos   Sep-30-06 11:30 AM   #36 
           - Thank you for being a voice of reason.  SharonRB   Sep-30-06 07:14 PM   #40 
           - So I suppose I'm the voice of hysterics, then.  last1standing   Sep-30-06 08:19 PM   #42 
           - Life just isn't black and white like that.  last1standing   Sep-30-06 07:35 PM   #41 
              - "It's a question of whether I can sleep at night after lending my support"  skipos   Sep-30-06 09:02 PM   #43 
                 - That's where the confusion lies.  last1standing   Sep-30-06 09:28 PM   #44 
  - From the Stabenow website:  Purveyor   Sep-28-06 07:08 PM   #5 
  - I called, e-mailed and left a message on Michigan Liberal  bfealk   Sep-28-06 07:40 PM   #6 
  - Michigan's Joe Lieberwoman - Yes on Bankruptcy, Yes on Torture  Bozita   Sep-28-06 08:50 PM   #8 
  - I totally agree  vanboggie   Sep-28-06 09:12 PM   #10 
  - Thanks for the bankruptcy reminder. n/t  Purveyor   Sep-29-06 10:36 AM   #27 
  - Question : She holds a leadership position. Did her vote open the door?  Bozita   Sep-28-06 09:23 PM   #12 
  - I will still vote for her, because she is a Dem, and we need to take....  livvy   Sep-28-06 11:33 PM   #18 
  - I just called  herbbrown   Sep-29-06 07:51 AM   #19 
  - moved here recently  dad   Sep-29-06 08:18 AM   #21 
  - I may have to look at the Green candidate  bif   Sep-29-06 08:43 AM   #22 
  - Kick ass! Greens really helped out America in 2000!  skipos   Sep-30-06 12:38 AM   #33 
  - Her poll workers ought to hand out clothes pins with her name on them  Strawman   Sep-29-06 10:26 AM   #24 
  - I'll vote for her BUT  Stepup2   Sep-29-06 12:48 PM   #28 
  - Vote for Debbie is vote for Hitler  placton   Sep-29-06 02:56 PM   #30 
  - Bouchard is worse. It is just that simple.  skipos   Sep-30-06 12:40 AM   #34 
     - "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists!!"  TahitiNut   Sep-30-06 12:09 PM   #37 
        - What?  skipos   Sep-30-06 02:27 PM   #38 
  - I'm calling and will get a real answer.  knitter4democracy   Sep-29-06 09:07 PM   #31 
  - Three letters.  PassingFair   Oct-04-06 10:02 PM   #45 
  - The part where she was threatened by the GOP...  MrsGrumpy   Oct-05-06 06:05 AM   #46 

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