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dlcloum31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:34 PM
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73. Child Support Laws ARE unreasonable...
My husband and I have been put through some shit because of the child support laws. My husband has two cases he pays child support on, one case is three children and the other is for one child and we have three of our own, since from day one when child support was ordered it has been 15 years. He has been employed for 13 and unemployed for 2 years off and on. First of all, the courts never lowered the child support when he was on unemployment because they said "it would cause hardship on the children to lower the support cause then it would be a heavy burden on the mothers to have to try to change their way of living based on the fact that the support they have been used to for years was lowered". It was a hard time for all of us but the courts did not care about the three children we had to support at home. Now my husband is employed and grosses $1,600.00 a month and pays nearly $800.00 a month in child support for four children which wouldn't be so bad, but then we have to provide full transportation, round trip, every other weekend to all four kids. One lives about 100 miles east of us and the other three live 250 miles south of us. So now, we barley see the kids that live 250 miles away cause our visitations are every other weekend form 8am Saturday to 8pm Sunday and at the price of gas, we can't afford the gas every other weekend to travel 500 miles in two days. We are able to see the child that lives 100 miles away a little more often, so now we find ourselves trying to chose who we can afford to see and who we can't, beside the fact the children never get to be all together.
And another thing, my husbands child support arrears are over $50,000 now because of the two years he was unemployed and couldn't pay anything. Because he was not married to either of the mothers and because they were on welfare for several years, they stuck my husband with paying back the State for all the years the mothers were collecting welfare, they also stuck him with the entire cost of the birth of each child, even though he helped raise one of them for four years and another for two years, the court still went back and charged him child support for those years because they were not married. Oh, the State also adds on interest every January and July when you owe any arrears, so that is a good chunk of the arrears alone. That is one law that definitely needs to be changed. As a woman, I know that my husband didn't get me pregnant all on his own, I did have a little something to do with it, so why should the man be entirely responsible for the birth. Most women say "because we carry it for nine months", well that's bullshit. We might carry the child for nine months, but in the long run, the men pay for it in child support alone, beside that, they charge the man for all medical and welfare collected during the nine month pregnancy. I know the $800.00 a month my husband pays in child support does not even come close to how much we are able to spend on our three children we have at home. I have to depend on my parents helping me pay for school clothes and gifts on holidays for my three children because my husband and I can not afford to do it ourselves. And in regards to the action courts take against deadbeat fathers, my husband had a good paying job as a truck driver and when he got hurt on the job and the company refused to bring him back, the courts pretty much said tough shit, after a couple months went by and he didn't have a job yet the courts took his CDL Class A drivers license away. That was his damn job! Are they nuts! That's why it took that extra year and a half to get another job. Then he had to take a job at half the pay he was making before, but did they lower his child support, HELL NO! They actually raised it and we had to go back to court to get them to lower it back down to what it was at his previous job. And during this time he had no job, they put out a bench warrant because he didn't have the gas money or a vehicle to get to court 250 miles away. Then our local cops showed up about two months after the bench warrant was issued to tell us that they were there to give him a WARNING and that he had 30 days to make arrangements to get his ass down to the county where he had court and turn himself in or they would come pick him up. Now tell me that the child support laws are fair!
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  -Child support laws in Michigan are unreasonable... KingChicken  Jan-14-05 07:29 AM   #0 
  - Do you have the text of the law?  proudbluestater   Jan-14-05 07:35 AM   #1 
  - While he is unemployed, possibly for months, he still must pay...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 07:48 AM   #2 
  - Perhaps you missed the part where he was unemployed for a while  ET Awful   Jan-14-05 07:50 AM   #3 
  - What do you base that "feeling that they rarely face jail time" on?  BR_Parkway   Jan-14-05 07:55 AM   #6 
  - You are correct about non payment of child support leading to  Rainbowreflect   Jan-14-05 09:06 AM   #20 
     - A local guy was picked up for non payment last year...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 09:27 AM   #23 
        - That's a bench warrant  lwfern   Jan-14-05 09:50 AM   #27 
           - Yeah bench warrant, but eventally you will be arrested just the same.  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 10:32 AM   #33 
              - "eventually"  lwfern   Jan-14-05 11:07 AM   #39 
                 - Why do you keep citing child homelessness, and not being fed?  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:04 PM   #40 
                    - the reason they aren't risking homelessness/wellbeing  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:17 PM   #42 
                       - How can you say that?  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:50 PM   #47 
  - Sounds like the kids should quit eating and expecting shelter.  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 07:51 AM   #4 
  - He is extremely responsible, he does everything...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 07:59 AM   #7 
  - I disagree with you.  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 08:13 AM   #14 
     - She is doing fine, not homeless by any means...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:38 AM   #17 
        - "She's raking in the cash --" because his $1K is SO MUCH MONEY.  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 09:48 AM   #26 
           - Her job, her husbands job plus his support.  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 10:14 AM   #31 
              - ROFLMA -- Its ANOTHER man's job to support HIS kid?  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 10:36 AM   #34 
                 - Of course it's another man's job  lwfern   Jan-14-05 10:54 AM   #37 
                    - I guess that makes sense -- if you're sleeping with her,  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 11:01 AM   #38 
                    - I will argree on that, I don't know if thats the money for the car....  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:20 PM   #44 
  - Interesting that the OP is going out of their way to make certain  kgfnally   Jun-03-07 08:07 PM   #67 
     - Take my time, when you respond to a post from TWO YEARS AGO?  IdaBriggs   Jun-04-07 11:17 PM   #68 
     - Child Support  exacta   Jan-17-10 07:52 PM   #101 
     - Death, Incarceration, Quadraplegia  Demeter   Jun-16-07 01:21 PM   #72 
  - Married unemployed fathers don't get to put supporting their kids  elehhhhna   Jan-14-05 07:52 AM   #5 
  - Don't be ingnorant, not all single fathers are deadbeats...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:03 AM   #9 
     - I said nothing about or implying Deadbeat Dad syndrome...  elehhhhna   Jan-14-05 08:22 AM   #16 
  - On the other side of the issue...  displacedtexan   Jan-14-05 08:02 AM   #8 
  - He can petition the court, however it takes months...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:06 AM   #11 
  - A father who reduces his income to avoid support  Dangerous Felon   Jan-17-05 11:40 AM   #52 
     - Source for that claim?  lwfern   Jan-17-05 04:31 PM   #54 
     - That's not true.  GreenEyedLefty   Jan-20-10 11:17 AM   #102 
  - whatever you do in the dark soon comes to light.. so in the long run  sam sarrha   Jan-14-05 08:04 AM   #10 
  - I agree totally, but everyone is young at some time.  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:11 AM   #13 
  - I'm not sure how it works in Michigan but.....  eternalburn   Jan-14-05 08:10 AM   #12 
  - Too idealistic, reality is harsh, things usally don't work for the best...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:15 AM   #15 
  - That's how it works in Michigan also  lwfern   Jan-14-05 08:41 AM   #18 
     - You're not paying attention, he pays for things like daycare...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 08:48 AM   #19 
     - The system always sides with the mother?  lwfern   Jan-14-05 09:08 AM   #21 
        - Buddy, the court is not gender neutral...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 09:31 AM   #24 
           - The mother's are favored...  dlcloum31   Jul-21-07 07:10 PM   #74 
              - True - mothers are favored  michiganlady   Mar-19-08 11:28 AM   #97 
              - I actually found that rather unfair.  GreenEyedLefty   Jan-20-10 11:20 AM   #103 
              - the CUSTODIAL parent gets to claim the deduction/tax credits  Scout   Jan-20-10 03:52 PM   #104 
     - Extra Gifts?  michiganlady   Mar-18-08 03:12 PM   #91 
        - You've just confused "gifts" with "needs".  lwfern   Mar-18-08 08:49 PM   #92 
           - Needs vs Gifts  michiganlady   Mar-19-08 10:51 AM   #93 
           - Needs vs gifts  lwfern   Mar-19-08 11:11 AM   #95 
           - Part of the problem  michiganlady   Mar-19-08 11:08 AM   #94 
              - The expenses when a child is at the other parents house  lwfern   Mar-19-08 11:22 AM   #96 
                 - Agree to disagree  michiganlady   Mar-19-08 11:52 AM   #98 
  - The child support laws need to change.....  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 09:24 AM   #22 
  - There's nothing extreme in the solution  lwfern   Jan-14-05 09:36 AM   #25 
  - The guy is 28, what do you want?  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 09:54 AM   #28 
     - What do I want?  lwfern   Jan-14-05 10:04 AM   #30 
  - Let's try the new system for a while before we change it.  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 10:03 AM   #29 
     - He can't have custody.....  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 10:27 AM   #32 
        - You do seem to have a victim mentality here  lwfern   Jan-14-05 10:44 AM   #35 
        - There is no victim here, i'm not claiming a victim, just unfair...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:36 PM   #46 
        - Incorrect. Michigan is VERY gender neutral.  IdaBriggs   Jan-14-05 10:46 AM   #36 
           - Stop using sensationalism to sell your point...  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:16 PM   #41 
              - Stop using sensationalism to sell your point  lwfern   Jan-14-05 12:19 PM   #43 
              - Do you have any suggestions? What's the solution?  KingChicken   Jan-14-05 12:30 PM   #45 
                 - The statistics say I'm right  lwfern   Jan-14-05 01:30 PM   #48 
              - Stop using ignorance to ignore reality.  IdaBriggs   Jan-15-05 08:08 AM   #49 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 11:35 AM   #51 
                 - That IS what happens  lwfern   Jan-17-05 04:54 PM   #55 
              - Your friend needs a lawyer.  hickman1937   Jan-17-05 02:52 PM   #53 
  - If you have never dealt with the system do not speak of it.  sarcasmo   Jan-16-05 06:53 PM   #50 
  - Michigan is NOT the toughest in the Union  lwfern   Jan-17-05 05:03 PM   #56 
  - Maybe both abortion and murder should be easier....  stavka   Jan-17-05 09:30 PM   #57 
  - When the child support gestapo comes to your door then talk to me.  sarcasmo   Jan-25-05 10:03 AM   #58 
     - hopefully you love your kid  lwfern   Jan-25-05 03:30 PM   #59 
        - Love for my kid is not in question, If you have kids and Divorce then your  sarcasmo   Jan-26-05 08:52 AM   #60 
           - Kids don't "become" a case number  lwfern   Jan-26-05 11:37 AM   #62 
              - Friend of the Court does nothing right away, LMFAO.  sarcasmo   Jan-27-05 09:32 AM   #63 
                 - You think I haven't dealt with them?  lwfern   Jan-27-05 12:52 PM   #64 
                    - where is my childs house,i pay for?  bummer   May-31-07 12:10 PM   #65 
  - methinks thou dost protest too much!  Scout   Jan-26-05 11:09 AM   #61 
  - If they throw you in jail  michreject   Jun-02-07 07:52 AM   #66 
  - I worked for a temp agency once, in their office, and it is bad.  knitter4democracy   Jun-05-07 09:10 PM   #69 
  - His children continue to live regardless of the situation. Something  MrsGrumpy   Jun-13-07 06:19 AM   #70 
  - I read through all the posts and he is blaming the woman for not taking the pill  LisaM   Jun-14-07 01:24 PM   #71 
     - Birth Control Responsibility  michiganlady   Mar-18-08 12:08 PM   #90 
        - Welcome to D/U and enjoy the many great forums.  sarcasmo   Mar-21-08 10:14 AM   #99 
  - Child Support Laws ARE unreasonable...  dlcloum31   Jul-21-07 06:34 PM   #73 
  - Seven children is a lot to support.  lwfern   Jul-21-07 11:52 PM   #75 
  - Here is a math suggestion for you --  IdaBriggs   Jul-27-07 10:33 AM   #76 
  - no math suggestion!  dlcloum31   Jul-30-07 08:11 PM   #79 
     - It doesn't sound to me like your husband's getting screwed by the state  lwfern   Jul-31-07 12:03 PM   #80 
     - You can whine all you want -- I think the situation is perfectly reasonable.  IdaBriggs   Jul-31-07 05:06 PM   #81 
        - I would hardly say I am selfish...  dlcloum31   Aug-03-07 07:21 PM   #83 
           - I will expain to you once more why I think YOU are selfish.  IdaBriggs   Aug-05-07 09:31 AM   #84 
           - your whole attitude DRIPS selfishness and now you're trying to play the martyr...  Scout   Aug-05-07 10:27 AM   #85 
           - It does look a little selfish  lwfern   Aug-06-07 09:43 AM   #86 
  - Lots of whining in here ...  Scout   Jul-27-07 11:51 AM   #77 
  - Why do so many people have children they can't afford?  skipos   Jul-28-07 03:30 PM   #78 
  - Sounds like an argument for just not having kids at all  bluestateguy   Aug-01-07 08:05 PM   #82 
  - My Son turned 18 on Friday, I am done!  sarcasmo   Sep-01-07 06:05 PM   #87 
  - Hopefully if he needs help  lwfern   Sep-01-07 07:00 PM   #88 
     - Done with the Court system. Does that sound better for you?  sarcasmo   Sep-02-07 03:43 PM   #89 
  - Mothers pay child support as well - I am one of them n/t  addreamgirl   Mar-26-08 12:05 PM   #100 
  - We never had to wait "months" for a "hearing"  noamnety   Jan-26-10 05:48 PM   #105 
  - To all of those who want to jail someone over the almighty dollar  Chucky_The_Freak   Feb-07-10 12:48 AM   #106 
  - Mike Cox is that you?  sarcasmo   Nov-15-10 09:05 AM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-10 08:28 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-10 09:26 PM   #108 
  - Hello  Lions_fan   Nov-14-10 03:57 PM   #109 
 

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