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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:29 PM
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26. Did I say or infer I was superior to muslims?
I was pointing out legitimate concerns I had. It is fair for you to make sweeping statements about fundamentalist christians, which you did, but not fair for me to say that as a feminist, I have issues with Islam? If I was stating I had problems with catholicism, would you be responding so emotionally and in such a condescending tone?

Anyways, if I criticize Islam, does the fact that some fundamentalist christian groups also expect women to submit to men make it right for muslims to do so? That's not a legitimate argument-that's like someone on the right saying "Clinton got a blow job, so it's okay for Bush to do whatever he is being accused of at the moment". Show me a branch of Islam that doesn't discriminate against or preach the subjugation of women apart from sufism-that was my challenge and you did not meet it. I can name several christian denominations that don't-the UMC, UCC, PBUSA, Episcopal USA, UU, American Baptist-there are probably more-I know of at least one fundamentalist or Pentecostal mega church in my area that has a female head pastor.

I never suggested discrimination against muslims, nor did I say not to let them come here. You just responded as if I had said that, unless you feel that denying special accommodations is "discrimination". I said that as feminists we should be wary of a religion that expects women to submit to men, and wants to make that the law for everyone, not just their adherents. I also pointed out some issues that had been problematic in other cities in my region. You made those issues personal, when they were examples. My underlying question was who is going to pay for any extra accommodation, which is a legitimate question for any taxpayer to pose.

I think we should also be wary of mormons, scientologists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Maranathas-different reasons for each group, but does that offend you, too?

Your kid and her friend are cute kids.
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     - Something I've found  lwfern   Aug-10-07 04:26 PM   #16 
     - Did I say or infer I was superior to muslims?  noonwitch   Aug-13-07 02:29 PM   #26 
        - If, in fact, you are welcoming them to the area  lwfern   Aug-13-07 03:23 PM   #27 
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           - I don't worship at the altar of cultural relativism.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-13-07 08:07 AM   #22 
              - The way I see it  lwfern   Aug-13-07 08:19 AM   #23 
                 - I didn't realize anyone was opposed to granting asylum.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-13-07 08:41 AM   #24 
                    - History repeats itself  lwfern   Aug-13-07 11:15 AM   #25 

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