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Tue Sep-28-04 06:08 PM
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Why was the original Dayton story directly descriptive of the order, if that isn't what they are (were) doing? They weren't registering people in Dayton if the paper was wrong, they were sending new applications. A pointless exercise if the application was otherwise perfect.
Not at all. The purpose of the card is a record-keeping matter, not a registration matter. Blackwell seems to now be taking the position that the registrations will be accepted but the county must still obtain and maintain a permanent record on card stock. However, this will not affect whether the registration is valid. That seems to be the approach that the counties are taking and that may be why Montgomery County is sending out the cards. There is nothing in the Dayton Daily News story indicating that Montgomery County plans to invalidate the registration of anyone whose registration was not on card stock.
How would a challenge to this make things worse? Because a challenge has no legal basis at this point and would be thrown out of court promptly - hardly a good public relations strategy for the party.
You have no idea of the scope of the problem. Yes, I do. I understand the problem quite well.
Have you read the original order? Yes. I have read both the state regulation and Blackwell's letter to the counties regarding it.
What state law requires the heavy paper anyway? It's not a state law, but a long-standing rule of the Secretary of State (it predated Blackwell). Ohio Revised Code, Sec. 3501.05(F) gives the Secretary of State the authority to "prescribe the form of registration cards, blanks, and records." Sec. 3503.13 provides that "registration forms shall consist of original and duplicate cards or loose-leaf pages as prescribed by the secretary of state." Pursuant to that authority, the Secretary of State has directed counties to use card stock.
As I said, however, this issue may go away because Blackwell's office is backing down and most Ohio counties are simply ignoring him.
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| -Blackwell's own form is not on 80 lb. stock! |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 09:11 AM |
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WTF is going on up there.....? Where is any GD media covering this? |
cthrumatrix |
Sep-28-04 09:12 AM |
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Here ya go. |
Why |
Sep-28-04 09:34 AM |
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The most important thing is that we don't just complain about it |
still_one |
Sep-28-04 09:14 AM |
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Name removed |
Sep-28-04 09:14 AM |
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Well done, citizen! |
SpikeTrees |
Sep-28-04 09:14 AM |
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Well, live messages then. |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 09:32 AM |
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Alternate e-mail |
BQueen |
Sep-28-04 11:12 PM |
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Good find, citizen. (nt) |
enough |
Sep-28-04 09:16 AM |
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Thank you! |
demnan |
Sep-28-04 09:31 AM |
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That two face pop up at your site is great but very annoying. |
henslee |
Sep-28-04 09:41 AM |
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e-mail James Carville he says .... |
madmom |
Sep-28-04 09:44 AM |
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thanks |
cthrumatrix |
Sep-28-04 09:51 AM |
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Here's a link to some Pictures of the 'official' brochure. |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 10:31 AM |
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Great pictures. |
Skinner |
Sep-28-04 10:41 AM |
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Another repub double standard. |
Jokerman |
Sep-28-04 11:38 AM |
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I spoke to the Ohio Democratic Party... |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 01:34 PM |
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Citizen, you rock! |
mac56 |
Sep-28-04 01:35 PM |
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Did they explain why they haven't done anything about this so far? |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 01:36 PM |
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Fortunately, there's not much they need to do right now |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 01:40 PM |
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That is just not true! |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 01:59 PM |
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Ohioan, you've taken different positions in different threads. |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 02:06 PM |
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I'm not being inconsistent at all. |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 02:58 PM |
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The communications director said |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 02:14 PM |
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Can't he just contact Montgomery County? |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 02:16 PM |
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Montgomery County hasn't yet taken any action |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 03:01 PM |
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At what point will it be known whether they will invalidate |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 03:13 PM |
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I don't know if I can answer all your questions, but let's give it a try |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 04:11 PM |
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You are inconsistent |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 04:55 PM |
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Montgomery County has NOT complied! |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 05:33 PM |
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By sending new applications Montgomery County |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 06:30 PM |
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Paper weights |
bigpathpaul |
Sep-28-04 03:05 PM |
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tell him he needs to send in a protest riot squad to the columbus |
kodi |
Sep-28-04 07:55 PM |
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DAMN good suggestion |
gristy |
Sep-28-04 08:18 PM |
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the difference between dems & gop is that they would have done it now |
kodi |
Sep-28-04 08:46 PM |
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The Official Complaint |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 02:47 PM |
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will the Federal Judge hold this partisan hack accountable? |
Supersedeas |
Sep-28-04 03:13 PM |
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That complaint is about the provisional ballot issue. |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 03:22 PM |
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Because there's no basis for any legal action at this point |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 04:22 PM |
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If there was no order in the first place, what is Blackwell |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 04:48 PM |
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. . . |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 06:08 PM |
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Blackwell's own language states that the light applications |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 06:36 PM |
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Your assertion that Blackwell's authority to promulgate rules |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 06:52 PM |
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Not nonsense. It's the law. And it has a legitimate purpose |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:40 PM |
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What law? |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 07:44 PM |
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The law gives the Secretary of State the authority to prescribe the |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:03 PM |
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Why would the Secretary of State have the |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:11 PM |
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He doesn't have the power to make laws |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:17 PM |
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How do you know? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:22 PM |
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Yes there are . . .See below |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:27 PM |
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What below? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 09:46 PM |
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This was quite responsive. It just doesn't say what you want it to say |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 09:54 PM |
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We don't have to wait, your side will win. |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 10:59 PM |
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Why do you think that not taking Blackwell to court and losing |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 11:08 PM |
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Why do you think the counties aren't obeying the order? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 11:21 PM |
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I don't need to prove that they are ignoring the letter |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 11:34 PM |
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Link? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:16 PM |
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Link |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:27 PM |
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He is not back pedaling. |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 08:31 PM |
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That's the way I see it also. |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:33 PM |
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I think Blackwell saying he won't enforce the directive |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:52 PM |
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That's not what I think it says. |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:54 PM |
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Let's just agree to disagree |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:59 PM |
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Where does it state that the forms have to be |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 07:47 PM |
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I agree that Blackwell intended that counties would not |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:13 PM |
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You do say the same thing over and over, but the article you |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:58 PM |
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Voting rights act .... |
lanparty |
Sep-28-04 05:20 PM |
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This portion of the Voting Rights Act does not allow a private right of |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 06:14 PM |
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The 14th amendment ... |
lanparty |
Sep-28-04 07:12 PM |
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You may wish this to be so, but that's not the law. |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:29 PM |
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I didn't say you were a freeper ... |
lanparty |
Sep-28-04 08:55 PM |
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Yes, I just started posting, but I defy you to note ANYTHING I've |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 09:07 PM |
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In this case defending the ODP is the same as defending |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 09:16 PM |
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How do you figure that? |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 09:25 PM |
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So, if I put out a contract on someone... |
Why |
Sep-28-04 05:28 PM |
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No. The act of putting out a contract is a crime in and of itself |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 06:16 PM |
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Well, how can the standard be uniformly applied to all registrations? |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 07:36 PM |
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It does. The different kinds of registration forms are race-neutral |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:55 PM |
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This might help. |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 05:30 PM |
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This Act does not permit individuals or organizations to sue the govt. |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 06:19 PM |
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If there is standing to sue over the provisional ballot issue, |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 06:38 PM |
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No - the provisional ballot case is being brough under HAVA, |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:16 PM |
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Ohio is unique in that the Secretary of State has unlimited |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 07:35 PM |
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The legislature gave the Secretary of State (not Blackwell, since |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:50 PM |
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What uniformity, for crying out loud? |
lizzy |
Sep-28-04 07:52 PM |
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Go back and read my post |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 07:57 PM |
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But if the inital purpose is no longer valid, why |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:35 PM |
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This is NOT a NEW RULE!!! |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 08:49 PM |
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OK enforcement is new. |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 09:01 PM |
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You're right. If Blackwell enforces this, it will be new and it will be a |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 09:04 PM |
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Why do you think Blackwell isn't enforcing it? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 09:42 PM |
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I think he backed off because it drew more attention than he expected |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 10:00 PM |
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Your answer assumes that he has backed off. |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 11:00 PM |
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How do you know it hasn't happened? |
Timefortruth |
Sep-28-04 08:20 PM |
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From a quick glance |
jimshoes |
Sep-28-04 04:18 PM |
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SORRY _ THIS IS THE WRONG DOCUMENT |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 04:38 PM |
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A complaint hasn't been filed in the registration card matter |
ohioan |
Sep-28-04 04:41 PM |
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That complaint is on an unrelated issue. |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 06:44 PM |
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Let me know if this will help |
bigpathpaul |
Sep-28-04 04:22 PM |
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I like it |
jimshoes |
Sep-28-04 05:16 PM |
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Thats UNCLE TOM BLACKWELL!!!! |
lanparty |
Sep-28-04 05:21 PM |
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You are very talented. |
spotbird |
Sep-28-04 05:26 PM |
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This looks great to me.... |
citizen |
Sep-28-04 05:47 PM |
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Can you get this to the people who have this running in other threads? |
bigpathpaul |
Sep-28-04 05:54 PM |
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I hope hundreds of citizens sue the Son of a Bitch! eom |
struggle4progress |
Sep-28-04 11:44 PM |
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