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Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.

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WASHINGTON President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday.

That push follows strong reservations about a possible troop buildup expressed by the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, according to a second top administration official. In strongly worded classified cables to Washington, Eikenberry said he had misgivings about sending in new troops while there are still so many questions about the leadership of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Obama is still close to announcing his revamped war strategy most likely shortly after he returns from a trip to Asia that ends on Nov. 19.

But the president raised questions at a war council meeting Wednesday that could alter the dynamic of both how many additional troops are sent to Afghanistan and what the timeline would be for their presence in the war zone, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss Obama's thinking
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  - ! K & R.  chill_wind   Nov-11-09 08:07 PM   #1 
  - WOW THINKING AND CLARIFYING..... (please direct republicans to a dictionary on this concept)  happygoluckytoyou   Nov-12-09 02:17 PM   #113 
  - So he's got his own  Cha   Nov-11-09 08:08 PM   #2 
  - My God, I did not expect this.  CaliforniaPeggy   Nov-11-09 08:09 PM   #3 
  - well that could still be on the chess board  Schema Thing   Nov-11-09 08:11 PM   #5 
  - It shows he's is taking this VERY seriously. Whatever his final decision will have been thought  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:15 PM   #11 
  - He wants to clarify how and when U.S. troops will turn over responsibility to Afghan  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:12 PM   #7 
  - That's the sensible way to do it.  CaliforniaPeggy   Nov-11-09 08:14 PM   #9 
  - Yup...  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:16 PM   #12 
  - McCain? Nah...  Not Sure   Nov-12-09 11:35 AM   #101 
     - And Iran.  Enthusiast   Nov-12-09 03:52 PM   #117 
  - That clearly means he is of the mindset of how best to end this thing  phleshdef   Nov-11-09 08:31 PM   #23 
  - My thoughts as well. NT  Clio the Leo   Nov-11-09 09:17 PM   #38 
  - We should come up with a name for this new strategy.  Orsino   Nov-12-09 08:06 AM   #87 
     - Large Banner: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, for real--!!!! And then go home . .. !!!  defendandprotect   Nov-12-09 05:52 PM   #123 
  - I didn't expect this either, but I will reserve judgment until the full story is played out /nt  still_one   Nov-11-09 08:18 PM   #13 
  - I pray this is not another head fake to give us hope before the final disappointment.  chimpymustgo   Nov-12-09 08:08 AM   #88 
     - My feelings exactly.  loudsue   Nov-12-09 09:57 AM   #91 
  - I'm so happy for now that I've rec'd every thread  eleny   Nov-11-09 08:11 PM   #4 
  - Thanks. :)  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:14 PM   #8 
  - This will mean something if he plans to leave Afghanistan soon or some time in the next year.  ej510   Nov-11-09 08:11 PM   #6 
  - Good. Ever since the election the GOP has been framing this like Obama MUST do what Generals etc say  Mayberry Machiavelli   Nov-11-09 08:14 PM   #10 
  - Exactly. The generals need to figure out a way to implement HIS strategy. n/t  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:18 PM   #15 
  - But, but . . . those white men TOLD him to do it different  EffieBlack   Nov-11-09 08:38 PM   #27 
  - They can "frame" all they want but  Cha   Nov-11-09 08:39 PM   #28 
  - I don't understand. How is this possible?  Bleacher Creature   Nov-11-09 08:18 PM   #14 
  - I guess we just have to get used to a REAL leader/president  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:20 PM   #16 
  - I actually don't think this is possible. Will believe it when I see it.  harun   Nov-12-09 08:38 AM   #89 
  - Obama knows this is all BS war . . . and he's looking for a way out ...  defendandprotect   Nov-12-09 05:54 PM   #124 
  - Watch the neo cons at the Pentagon start leaking shit to the Washinton Post  Thrill   Nov-11-09 08:22 PM   #17 
  - Looks like they already tried that and failed. n/t  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:26 PM   #18 
  - They have but the next step is them pushing Cheney's meme of dithering  Thrill   Nov-11-09 08:29 PM   #21 
  - He obviously doesn't care what anyone accuses him of.  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:31 PM   #24 
  - And that's one thing that sets him apart....  Clio the Leo   Nov-11-09 09:21 PM   #40 
     - There ya go!!!!! +1  HopeOverFear   Nov-11-09 09:34 PM   #42 
     - And that's because he's the same person who  jenmito   Nov-11-09 09:46 PM   #44 
     - Have you read Plouffe's book yet?  Clio the Leo   Nov-11-09 10:05 PM   #48 
     - No. I've only seen the movie on HBO...  jenmito   Nov-12-09 10:12 AM   #92 
     - I loved the fact that he kept his name, "Hussein"! How to Win Friends and  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-12-09 05:37 AM   #84 
        - So do I...  jenmito   Nov-12-09 10:14 AM   #93 
           - Agree . . . impressive . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-12-09 06:01 PM   #126 
     - Yep. He'll go home  impik   Nov-12-09 02:07 AM   #72 
     - +10  Tigermoose   Nov-12-09 11:01 AM   #96 
  - Probably.  Enthusiast   Nov-12-09 03:56 PM   #118 
  - And right on top of the new "terrarist" attack at Ft. Hood . . . Wow!!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-12-09 05:55 PM   #125 
  - They have already been doing that for weeks now.  Jennicut   Nov-11-09 08:27 PM   #19 
  - Then watch the Haters/Failers post the misinformation here 24/7 with great meoutrage. nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-11-09 08:29 PM   #20 
  - Well They Already Leaked to CBS News  PopSixSquish   Nov-11-09 09:12 PM   #35 
  - K/R  CakeGrrl   Nov-11-09 08:29 PM   #22 
  - Unnamed sources for this information  harkadog   Nov-11-09 08:33 PM   #25 
  - Actually I would agree with you if it didn't reiterate Obama's own position on the matter.  vaberella   Nov-11-09 08:42 PM   #29 
  - Yup. Gibbs repeatedly told reporters that Obama has not made up his mind yet. n/t  jenmito   Nov-11-09 08:55 PM   #30 
  - Except that it's in keeping with this....  Clio the Leo   Nov-11-09 09:25 PM   #41 
  - Well this is good news...I think...  winyanstaz   Nov-11-09 08:33 PM   #26 
  - I agree. I will be very happy if President Obama ends this.  saracat   Nov-12-09 02:54 AM   #77 
  - The article also states that this is not an "open ended" war....  firedupdem   Nov-11-09 09:01 PM   #31 
  - This sounds like very good news  pscot   Nov-11-09 09:04 PM   #32 
  - Clearly it's just a lie...  BlooInBloo   Nov-11-09 09:07 PM   #33 
  - And he's just like Bush.  jenmito   Nov-11-09 09:09 PM   #34 
  - Careful.  liquid diamond   Nov-11-09 09:52 PM   #45 
  - Hey stranger  AspenRose   Nov-11-09 10:29 PM   #52 
  - Wow, I  Cha   Nov-11-09 10:36 PM   #54 
  - That's right,  Cha   Nov-11-09 10:35 PM   #53 
  - DEAR GOD I LOVE THAT MAN!!!!  HopeOverFear   Nov-11-09 09:14 PM   #36 
  - He clearly doesn't care what pressure ANYONE tries to put on him.  jenmito   Nov-11-09 09:19 PM   #39 
  - Karzai is killing all hope for his country.  rwheeler31   Nov-11-09 09:16 PM   #37 
  - Unless we get rid of Karzai & put in a government viewed as legitimate nothing will work anyway  ShadowLiberal   Nov-11-09 09:36 PM   #43 
  - What makes you think it's just about the number of troops? He's obviously thinking about  jenmito   Nov-11-09 09:52 PM   #46 
  - Bring all the troops home now.  undeterred   Nov-11-09 09:54 PM   #47 
  - This is the most HOPE I've felt in a long time!  bullwinkle428   Nov-11-09 10:05 PM   #49 
  - Is that the exploding heads of the neo-cons and Obama-haters I hear?  Odin2005   Nov-11-09 10:14 PM   #50 
  - The Obama haters wouldn't give him credit for doing the right thing  davidpdx   Nov-12-09 01:01 AM   #66 
  - You just made my day, jenmito!!  Major Hogwash   Nov-11-09 10:16 PM   #51 
  - I'm glad!  jenmito   Nov-12-09 10:19 AM   #94 
  - This report is based on two anonymous sources  Caitranne   Nov-11-09 10:36 PM   #55 
  - you might want to post that a few more times  Aramchek   Nov-12-09 03:21 AM   #78 
  - ha! you're contagious...  Aramchek   Nov-12-09 03:21 AM   #79 
  - This report is based on two anonymous sources  Caitranne   Nov-11-09 10:38 PM   #56 
  - This report is based on two anonymous sources  Caitranne   Nov-11-09 10:40 PM   #57 
  - This report is based on two anonymous sources  Caitranne   Nov-11-09 10:42 PM   #58 
  - Sorry. Only meant to post that once!  Caitranne   Nov-11-09 10:45 PM   #59 
  - The dreaded posting error...  ElboRuum   Nov-12-09 12:44 PM   #106 
  - Whups! It just happened to me, too.  ElboRuum   Nov-12-09 12:45 PM   #108 
  - Some parts of this article confused me. It says he has rejected the  Kdillard   Nov-11-09 10:59 PM   #60 
  - There will troops increase for sure, but  impik   Nov-12-09 02:10 AM   #73 
  - so the news reports about him already deciding to send 35k troops was likely more subterfuge by  BREMPRO   Nov-11-09 11:09 PM   #61 
  - Very good news!!!  backscatter712   Nov-11-09 11:39 PM   #62 
  - k/r  ccharles000   Nov-12-09 12:24 AM   #63 
  - malloy says obama should hand this over to congress...  RepublicanElephant   Nov-12-09 12:28 AM   #64 
  - Explain this to me in detail.....I don't know what you mean. n/t  vaberella   Nov-12-09 04:50 AM   #81 
     - War Powers Clause  RepublicanElephant   Nov-12-09 05:03 AM   #82 
        - Congress did declare war  Vattel   Nov-12-09 07:04 PM   #129 
  - Good!!  RememberWellstone   Nov-12-09 12:51 AM   #65 
  - Obama also needs to take special note of any general, senior or not, who appears to  Mayberry Machiavelli   Nov-12-09 01:18 AM   #67 
  - I would be very supportive of that.  chill_wind   Nov-12-09 12:08 PM   #103 
  - in photo, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AT PREZ O's RIGHT.  elleng   Nov-12-09 01:28 AM   #68 
  - VP BIDEN sitting at Prez O's right in photo:  elleng   Nov-12-09 01:33 AM   #69 
  - Finally, he's showing some independent judgment. If only Johnson had done so in '64.  leveymg   Nov-12-09 01:46 AM   #70 
  - Finally, he's showing some independent judgment. If only Johnson had done so in '64.  leveymg   Nov-12-09 01:46 AM   #71 
  - I really do hope this signals the end of this horrible war.I will be really happy if  saracat   Nov-12-09 02:45 AM   #74 
  - I'm glad he rejected HClinton/Mullen/Gates proposal to escalate by sending 30K more troops.  Lord Helmet   Nov-12-09 12:44 PM   #107 
  - really do hope this signals the end of this horrible war.I will be really happy if  saracat   Nov-12-09 02:47 AM   #75 
  - really do hope this signals the end of this horrible war.I will be really happy if  saracat   Nov-12-09 02:50 AM   #76 
  - Yes!  Sky Masterson   Nov-12-09 04:06 AM   #80 
  - Wow! An Exit strategy.  unhappycamper   Nov-12-09 05:14 AM   #83 
  - K&R  pleah   Nov-12-09 07:43 AM   #85 
  - dupe  pleah   Nov-12-09 07:44 AM   #86 
  - Didnt see this coming but I maybe should have  spiritual_gunfighter   Nov-12-09 08:48 AM   #90 
  - It sure sounds like it!  jenmito   Nov-12-09 10:21 AM   #95 
  - Meanwhile it's a brisk business for manufacturers of body bags...  Clear Blue Sky   Nov-12-09 11:10 AM   #97 
  - You think Obama doesn't know people are dying over there? That's why he's taking this so seriously.  jenmito   Nov-12-09 11:14 AM   #98 
     - Obama has been up close and personal with this issue lately  lyonn   Nov-12-09 03:03 PM   #115 
        - That's right. So he obviously is putting himself as close to the "consequence of war" as he can  jenmito   Nov-12-09 03:21 PM   #116 
  - If he is going to bring the troops home, this would be the way to do it.  Tigermoose   Nov-12-09 11:15 AM   #99 
  - K&R  Soylent Brice   Nov-12-09 11:24 AM   #100 
  - That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!! (nt)  TheKentuckian   Nov-12-09 11:46 AM   #102 
  - Choose this one -----> Get out now.  davidwparker   Nov-12-09 12:21 PM   #104 
  - Nice sig line.  jenmito   Nov-12-09 12:33 PM   #105 
  - IF TRUE, then Obama may have the COURAGE to do the RIGHT THING  Martin Eden   Nov-12-09 12:58 PM   #109 
  - Must be his own military expertise kickin in. n/t  newtothegame   Nov-12-09 01:35 PM   #110 
  - He never served in the military but he's obviously taking this VERY seriously, even moreso than some  jenmito   Nov-12-09 02:03 PM   #111 
  - Now is the time to shower Mr. President with letters and emails  Bette Noir   Nov-12-09 02:09 PM   #112 
  - He supposedly said he wants to know how to ultimately bring home the troops. n/t  jenmito   Nov-12-09 03:03 PM   #114 
  - hmm....... hope for the best -- get the hell out of Afghanistan and Iraq . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-12-09 05:14 PM   #119 
  - The innate corruption in the Afghan Government  EmeraldCityGrl   Nov-12-09 05:16 PM   #120 
  - I applaud this measure taken on the part of the President. Now lets get out of there!  saracat   Nov-12-09 05:30 PM   #121 
  - I do not have time, and am a bit reluctant to read the responses.  Mira   Nov-12-09 05:31 PM   #122 
  - IF TRUE, then Obama may have the COURAGE to do the RIGHT THING  Martin Eden   Nov-12-09 06:13 PM   #127 
  - I believe we should support the President so he can do his job.  Life Long Dem   Nov-12-09 06:31 PM   #128 
  - Does anyone else get the shiver of JFK's ghost?  paparush   Nov-12-09 07:28 PM   #130 

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