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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:19 AM
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7. The tiny minority of Dems who don't get it that DLC conservatism caused that result
You don't speak for ALL Democrats.

The message of that campaign was that CAN'T treat people who care about peace, worker's rights, and the poor like this party treated them in the 90s.

And the message is that the support of progressives must be earned, not simply demanded.

You can't really quarrel with either point.

What that campaign proved was that centrism was the road to failure.
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  -It;'s time to have a moratorium on any further mentions of Nader's 2000 campaign Ken Burch  Nov-11-09 12:58 AM   #0 
  - who's he?  Divine Discontent   Nov-11-09 01:04 AM   #1 
  - Someone who led a campaign years ago that some right-wing Du'ers can't stop obsessing about  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:06 AM   #2 
     - You mean Democrats?  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:12 AM   #4 
     - The tiny minority of Dems who don't get it that DLC conservatism caused that result  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:19 AM   #7 
        - People who voted for Gore are NOT right wing DUers n/t  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:24 AM   #10 
        - No. But the tiny minority who come on here and stil bring it up are.  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:26 AM   #13 
           - That would be the non-Nader voters  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:31 AM   #20 
           - No. But the ones who keep treating former Nader voters as heretics who must repent are.  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:33 AM   #23 
           - All that seems to be happening now all over again.  tblue   Nov-11-09 01:34 AM   #25 
        - You mean the result of Gore getting 500K more votes than Bush?  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 01:26 AM   #14 
           - No there isn't. I want Ralph to stop.  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:30 AM   #17 
              - I don't know if you are familiar with it, but there is a process in how a party selects a candidate.  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 01:37 AM   #28 
     - "right wing DUers." Yeah, I believe you want the argument to die. nt  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:22 AM   #9 
        - The ones who actually care about workers, the poor, and peace have all let it go  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:24 AM   #11 
           - Nader was a corporate shill, a corporate millionaire, and a Bush supporter.  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:30 AM   #19 
              - There was nothing for the poor or the workers in the 2000 plaftorm  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:34 AM   #26 
              - Did you ever read the platform? Because you're wrong.  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:50 AM   #32 
                 - ER...no.1972 was the most populist.  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:57 AM   #40 
              - Wow  depakid   Nov-11-09 01:36 AM   #27 
              - Whenever I think someone has something to say  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:51 AM   #35 
              - Then it's enough to hate Nader as an individual  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:37 AM   #29 
                 - Fair enough. But he's still a lesson that needs to be learned. nt  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:50 AM   #33 
                    - The lesson is that the party was wrong to exclude progressives in the Nineties  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:53 AM   #37 
                       - No. The lesson was that (self-proclaimed)-progressives were tempted by a busty stripper named  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 02:04 AM   #43 
  - Yes. And wars and shitty healthcare can't be blamed on him  Oregone   Nov-11-09 01:09 AM   #3 
  - Since we can assume Gore would've caved to the GOP Congress demands for war after 9/11  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:21 AM   #8 
     - We can assume 9-11 wouldn't have happened in the first place.  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:28 AM   #16 
  - Not me. I rarely speak of it, but Nader and his "campaign" told us there wasn't any difference  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 01:13 AM   #5 
  - or Kerry and Bush, or Obama and Bush  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:25 AM   #12 
  - Almost all former Nader voters voted for Kerry, and most voted for Obama.  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:27 AM   #15 
     - I'm not talking about Nader voters  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:30 AM   #18 
     - Who do I discourage?  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:31 AM   #21 
        - Who do you try to get to vote?  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:50 AM   #34 
           - I worked hard for Obama. I've worked in other campaigns  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:55 AM   #39 
              - Constantly complaining does not work  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 02:05 AM   #44 
     - Well that's great that they climbed aboard in 04/08...  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 01:33 AM   #22 
        - And if Dems and the administration keep pandering to the right  depakid   Nov-11-09 01:46 AM   #30 
           - That's the point. Why do somepeople here STILL refuse to get that?  Ken Burch   Nov-11-09 01:48 AM   #31 
           - what part of  CTLawGuy   Nov-11-09 03:45 AM   #50 
           - Live by the sword, die by the sword  PBS Poll-435   Nov-11-09 01:52 AM   #36 
           - Failing to learn from past behavior invites electoral disaster  depakid   Nov-11-09 01:58 AM   #41 
           - There is NO pandering to the right  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 01:53 AM   #38 
              - Thus far I've seen a ton of of it- in the health care bill, in the economic "reforms"  depakid   Nov-11-09 02:00 AM   #42 
                 - I just listed what the right opposes  sandnsea   Nov-11-09 02:09 AM   #45 
  - While I don't entirely agree with you on Gore v Bush in 2000  Sherman A1   Nov-11-09 01:34 AM   #24 
  - I'd forgotten all about that. Thanks for stirring up my anger again.  jobycom   Nov-11-09 01:16 AM   #6 
  - Does this mean . . .  Brigid   Nov-11-09 02:31 AM   #46 
  - His detractors on this site did not beg Ralph Nader to run for public  saltpoint   Nov-11-09 02:32 AM   #47 
  - Revise Your Point No. 1, Sir, And Agreement Will Be Possible  The Magistrate   Nov-11-09 02:39 AM   #48 
  - At any moment now, any of us might draft a post in which Ralph Nader  saltpoint   Nov-11-09 02:41 AM   #49 
  - I will NEVER forgive  WeDidIt   Nov-11-09 05:12 AM   #51 
  - Locking...  rasputin1952   Nov-11-09 07:46 AM   #52 
 

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