Dr Robert
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Tue Nov-10-09 04:28 PM
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| 43. I will smile when you and the OP are served your crow. it's going to be downright hi-larious! |
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you'll probably spontaneously lose control of your bladder, when Obama signs the Bill.
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| -Reality Check: Obama knew from day one he had to appease the Insurance Lobby |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:08 PM |
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this Bill doesn't appease the Insurance Lobby. It means their eventual Doom. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:10 PM |
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The U.S Senate, in it's present makeup, |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:13 PM |
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Not the immediate Doom, the EVENTUAL Doom |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:30 PM |
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Do you think the Insurance Cartel has been tricked |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:33 PM |
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they aren't going along with it. they are being drug along kicking and screaming |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:36 PM |
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I agree for the most part. I think that Obama made a mistake by not employing the people against |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 02:44 PM |
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It is not merely a shame that Obama woke up the people & then let their |
truedelphi |
Nov-11-09 02:51 PM |
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I sure hope somebody will doom me by giving me billions of dollars. |
salguine |
Nov-10-09 02:23 PM |
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and making you cover everybody, and removing your payment caps? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:31 PM |
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Yep, just like Romney Care. They love 30 to 40 million new captive customers with subsidies. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 03:02 PM |
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your are kidding yourself if you think they want to cover pre-existing conditions |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 03:07 PM |
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You are kidding yourself if you think they will cover pre-existing conditions. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 03:26 PM |
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key line: ...and then the insurance companies are able and willing to make some of these changes... |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 03:31 PM |
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I will smile when you and the OP are served your crow. it's going to be downright hi-larious! |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:28 PM |
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Oh, he will sign a bill, i have no doubt. When did me or the OP say he wouldn't? |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 04:41 PM |
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Do you live in Massachusetts? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:03 PM |
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No, I don't. I live in Montana. I used to |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 05:14 PM |
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How does it doom them? nt |
polichick |
Nov-10-09 04:31 PM |
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That is stupid. |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 12:56 PM |
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i think you're right. unfortunate but reality. |
dionysus |
Nov-10-09 02:10 PM |
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FDR's ghost calls bullshit on that |
derby378 |
Nov-10-09 02:12 PM |
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I'm not suggesting the Insurance Cartels |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:17 PM |
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My point was that FDR got stuff done WITHOUT a corporate signoff |
derby378 |
Nov-10-09 02:21 PM |
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FDR had guts and spine. 99% of Washington Dems, Obama included, have neither. |
MessiahRp |
Nov-10-09 02:24 PM |
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Got it. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-11-09 12:26 AM |
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Obama ain't FDR |
GreenArrow |
Nov-10-09 02:23 PM |
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A lot of people at the time thought FDR |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 02:26 PM |
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That's right..He's President Barack Hussein Obama.. |
Cha |
Nov-10-09 02:30 PM |
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Even LBJ's Ghost calls Bullshit on the OP. |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 01:13 PM |
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Maybe he could of forced a good bill |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-11-09 03:17 PM |
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Please read what you just wrote and think about it. |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 03:54 PM |
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You're getting me wrong. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-11-09 04:10 PM |
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Ah. Okay. That I can agree with. |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 04:30 PM |
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You sure are determined to spin this as a win for insurance companies. |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 02:24 PM |
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Like any compromise it's a win/lose |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:30 PM |
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No one spends $400 million to kill a bill they like. No one. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 02:32 PM |
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They didn't spend $400 million to kill the bill |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:35 PM |
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Don't be obtuse. They were pressuring members of Congress to vote against it. |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 02:37 PM |
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In politics you operate on multiple simultaneous tracks |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:43 PM |
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"Sure, they took a swat at killing this thing in its cradle." Dumb, and it contradicts your point. |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 02:47 PM |
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Dumb? Is that the best you've got? |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 02:56 PM |
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Yes, you insisted they love the bill, then tried to claim the money was to influence it, |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 03:12 PM |
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I have never insisted they loved anything. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 03:24 PM |
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"the bill includes a lot that they also like." |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 03:27 PM |
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The OP is correct ProSense. You are either spinning it or are truely out of it. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 03:00 PM |
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You're always Spinning and have no right to say anyone else |
Cha |
Nov-10-09 03:30 PM |
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Follow The Money - Campaign Contributions To Obama Tell The Tale |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-10-09 03:29 PM |
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I Stand With Dennis Kucinich |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-10-09 03:31 PM |
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Yes it's possible insurance companies have influence.. |
mvd |
Nov-10-09 03:38 PM |
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I think the Republicans are out of the game |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 03:44 PM |
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"Lieberman is jockeying on behalf of the industry for last minute concessions" Still doesn't mean |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 03:50 PM |
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They did kill a real public option. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 04:01 PM |
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So you think they're okay with any public option? |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 04:35 PM |
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Again the stawman. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 04:42 PM |
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" I am not saying they like the bill. They like some of the things in the bill." |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 04:59 PM |
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They do like a lot of things in it. That's why Obama says they are working with him to get this done |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 05:16 PM |
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What? |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 05:21 PM |
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When he came to Montana he said the exact opposite thing. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 06:00 PM |
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Yeah, you seem to have missed the point |
ProSense |
Nov-10-09 06:44 PM |
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Aetna is a member of AHIP |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 07:46 PM |
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So? The industry group has been trying to kill reform. Aetna is one company |
ProSense |
Nov-11-09 12:16 PM |
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AHIP wouldn't want 30-40 million new subsidized customers for their companies, like Aetna? |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-11-09 01:41 PM |
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That logic is absurd |
ProSense |
Nov-11-09 01:45 PM |
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AHIP isn't an isurance company. It's the industry lobby. Aetna pays them to lobby for them |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-11-09 01:55 PM |
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You're like a bad Abbot and Costello bit. I no longer believe |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-10-09 06:10 PM |
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Hope you're right; I don't trust Lieberman do ever do the right thing |
mvd |
Nov-10-09 04:07 PM |
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Reconcilliation can only be done on limited parts of the bill, the parts that effect |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 04:32 PM |
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Can the public option be part of reconciliation? |
mvd |
Nov-10-09 04:36 PM |
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There won't be a PO, IMHO, there never was going to be a PO. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 04:54 PM |
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I agree about the Kucinich amendment; really want that put in |
mvd |
Nov-10-09 04:57 PM |
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Absolutely right. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-10-09 04:27 PM |
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Big Insurance and Big Pharma hire some of the biggest brains in the world to help them |
bertman |
Nov-10-09 04:27 PM |
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What is really needed is Democratic Party Reform -- We need a two-party system |
Armstead |
Nov-10-09 06:14 PM |
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Here are some current options |
LatteLibertine |
Nov-11-09 05:03 AM |
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The "lesser" of two evils is still evil... |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-09 12:48 PM |
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He might have to |
Onlooker |
Nov-11-09 06:10 AM |
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Who came up with this shit of our Government answering to private industry? |
and-justice-for-all |
Nov-11-09 12:13 PM |
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When one lives in a sick, stingy, hypocritical empire |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-09 12:46 PM |
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This is total Bullshit. |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 01:05 PM |
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OK, I suppose he could have run that type of campaign for health care reform. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-11-09 03:27 PM |
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History has shown that politicians are very good at |
ThomCat |
Nov-11-09 04:00 PM |
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AHIP on passage of the bill |
ProSense |
Nov-11-09 03:18 PM |
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