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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:00 PM
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25. The OP is correct ProSense. You are either spinning it or are truely out of it.
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  -Reality Check: Obama knew from day one he had to appease the Insurance Lobby Truth2Tell  Nov-10-09 02:08 PM   #0 
  - this Bill doesn't appease the Insurance Lobby. It means their eventual Doom.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:10 PM   #1 
  - The U.S Senate, in it's present makeup,  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:13 PM   #4 
  - Not the immediate Doom, the EVENTUAL Doom  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #14 
  - Do you think the Insurance Cartel has been tricked  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:33 PM   #17 
     - they aren't going along with it. they are being drug along kicking and screaming  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:36 PM   #19 
  - I agree for the most part. I think that Obama made a mistake by not employing the people against  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 02:44 PM   #22 
     - It is not merely a shame that Obama woke up the people & then let their  truedelphi   Nov-11-09 02:51 PM   #75 
  - I sure hope somebody will doom me by giving me billions of dollars.  salguine   Nov-10-09 02:23 PM   #8 
  - and making you cover everybody, and removing your payment caps?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:31 PM   #15 
     - Yep, just like Romney Care. They love 30 to 40 million new captive customers with subsidies.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:02 PM   #26 
        - your are kidding yourself if you think they want to cover pre-existing conditions  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 03:07 PM   #27 
           - You are kidding yourself if you think they will cover pre-existing conditions.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:26 PM   #30 
              - key line: ...and then the insurance companies are able and willing to make some of these changes...  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:31 PM   #35 
              - I will smile when you and the OP are served your crow. it's going to be downright hi-larious!  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:28 PM   #43 
                 - Oh, he will sign a bill, i have no doubt. When did me or the OP say he wouldn't?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:41 PM   #48 
                    - Do you live in Massachusetts?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:03 PM   #53 
                       - No, I don't. I live in Montana. I used to  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 05:14 PM   #54 
  - How does it doom them? nt  polichick   Nov-10-09 04:31 PM   #44 
  - That is stupid.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 12:56 PM   #69 
  - i think you're right. unfortunate but reality.  dionysus   Nov-10-09 02:10 PM   #2 
  - FDR's ghost calls bullshit on that  derby378   Nov-10-09 02:12 PM   #3 
  - I'm not suggesting the Insurance Cartels  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:17 PM   #5 
  - My point was that FDR got stuff done WITHOUT a corporate signoff  derby378   Nov-10-09 02:21 PM   #6 
     - FDR had guts and spine. 99% of Washington Dems, Obama included, have neither.  MessiahRp   Nov-10-09 02:24 PM   #9 
     - Got it.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 12:26 AM   #62 
  - Obama ain't FDR  GreenArrow   Nov-10-09 02:23 PM   #7 
  - A lot of people at the time thought FDR  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:26 PM   #11 
  - That's right..He's President Barack Hussein Obama..  Cha   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #13 
  - Even LBJ's Ghost calls Bullshit on the OP.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 01:13 PM   #71 
     - Maybe he could of forced a good bill  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 03:17 PM   #76 
        - Please read what you just wrote and think about it.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 03:54 PM   #79 
           - You're getting me wrong.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 04:10 PM   #81 
              - Ah. Okay. That I can agree with.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 04:30 PM   #82 
  - You sure are determined to spin this as a win for insurance companies.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:24 PM   #10 
  - Like any compromise it's a win/lose  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #12 
     - No one spends $400 million to kill a bill they like. No one. n/t  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:32 PM   #16 
        - They didn't spend $400 million to kill the bill  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:35 PM   #18 
           - Don't be obtuse. They were pressuring members of Congress to vote against it.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:37 PM   #20 
              - In politics you operate on multiple simultaneous tracks  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:43 PM   #21 
              - "Sure, they took a swat at killing this thing in its cradle." Dumb, and it contradicts your point.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:47 PM   #23 
                 - Dumb? Is that the best you've got?  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:56 PM   #24 
                    - Yes, you insisted they love the bill, then tried to claim the money was to influence it,  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:12 PM   #28 
                       - I have never insisted they loved anything.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:24 PM   #29 
                          - "the bill includes a lot that they also like."  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:27 PM   #31 
              - The OP is correct ProSense. You are either spinning it or are truely out of it.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:00 PM   #25 
                 - You're always Spinning and have no right to say anyone else  Cha   Nov-10-09 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Follow The Money - Campaign Contributions To Obama Tell The Tale  ProleNoMore   Nov-10-09 03:29 PM   #32 
  - I Stand With Dennis Kucinich  ProleNoMore   Nov-10-09 03:31 PM   #34 
  - Yes it's possible insurance companies have influence..  mvd   Nov-10-09 03:38 PM   #36 
  - I think the Republicans are out of the game  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:44 PM   #37 
     - "Lieberman is jockeying on behalf of the industry for last minute concessions" Still doesn't mean  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:50 PM   #38 
     - They did kill a real public option.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 04:01 PM   #39 
        - So you think they're okay with any public option?  ProSense   Nov-10-09 04:35 PM   #46 
           - Again the stawman.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 04:42 PM   #49 
              - " I am not saying they like the bill. They like some of the things in the bill."  ProSense   Nov-10-09 04:59 PM   #52 
                 - They do like a lot of things in it. That's why Obama says they are working with him to get this done  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 05:16 PM   #55 
                 - What?  ProSense   Nov-10-09 05:21 PM   #56 
                    - When he came to Montana he said the exact opposite thing.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 06:00 PM   #57 
                       - Yeah, you seem to have missed the point  ProSense   Nov-10-09 06:44 PM   #60 
                          - Aetna is a member of AHIP  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 07:46 PM   #61 
                             - So? The industry group has been trying to kill reform. Aetna is one company  ProSense   Nov-11-09 12:16 PM   #66 
                                - AHIP wouldn't want 30-40 million new subsidized customers for their companies, like Aetna?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-11-09 01:41 PM   #72 
                                   - That logic is absurd  ProSense   Nov-11-09 01:45 PM   #73 
                                      - AHIP isn't an isurance company. It's the industry lobby. Aetna pays them to lobby for them  John Q. Citizen   Nov-11-09 01:55 PM   #74 
                 - You're like a bad Abbot and Costello bit. I no longer believe  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 06:10 PM   #58 
     - Hope you're right; I don't trust Lieberman do ever do the right thing  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:07 PM   #40 
     - Reconcilliation can only be done on limited parts of the bill, the parts that effect  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:32 PM   #45 
        - Can the public option be part of reconciliation?  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:36 PM   #47 
           - There won't be a PO, IMHO, there never was going to be a PO.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:54 PM   #50 
              - I agree about the Kucinich amendment; really want that put in  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:57 PM   #51 
     - Absolutely right.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:27 PM   #41 
  - Big Insurance and Big Pharma hire some of the biggest brains in the world to help them  bertman   Nov-10-09 04:27 PM   #42 
  - What is really needed is Democratic Party Reform -- We need a two-party system  Armstead   Nov-10-09 06:14 PM   #59 
  - Here are some current options  LatteLibertine   Nov-11-09 05:03 AM   #63 
  - The "lesser" of two evils is still evil...  ProudDad   Nov-11-09 12:48 PM   #68 
  - He might have to  Onlooker   Nov-11-09 06:10 AM   #64 
  - Who came up with this shit of our Government answering to private industry?  and-justice-for-all   Nov-11-09 12:13 PM   #65 
  - When one lives in a sick, stingy, hypocritical empire  ProudDad   Nov-11-09 12:46 PM   #67 
  - This is total Bullshit.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 01:05 PM   #70 
  - OK, I suppose he could have run that type of campaign for health care reform.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 03:27 PM   #78 
     - History has shown that politicians are very good at  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 04:00 PM   #80 
  - AHIP on passage of the bill  ProSense   Nov-11-09 03:18 PM   #77 

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