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Reality Check: Obama knew from day one he had to appease the Insurance Lobby
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It's a political reality that the corporate interests who have made such a mess of our health care system also have a stranglehold on our Congress. They dominate the Republican Party and they have massive influence in our Party.

Among the most dozen or so conservative Democratic members of the Senate, it's impossible to find more than few who don't act consistently to serve the interests of the Insurance, Pharmaceutical and other corporate health lobbies. These Senators wield enough collective political power on behalf of these interests so as to have an effective veto over any sort of health care or insurance industry reform. They have for many many years. As a practical political reality they have to be negotiated with on any such bill.

This political reality existed before Obama won the Presidency and it still exists now. There was no 60 seat magic or possibility of slipping in just a few more progressives that would have changed this. Obama knew before he even won that if he was going to "do" health care reform he would need to strike a deal with the very interests who had broken the system. The political reality was and still is that these interests are so powerful in our system that they had to be given "a seat at the table."

We are now beginning to see the outlines of the deal being struck. It includes a lot of painful and expensive shape-up requirements for the Insurance Cartels, no doubt. In exchange it appears to insure the long-term survival of the industry, and to apply what they feel to be adequate nails to the coffin of single-payer, public-option, Medicare expansion or any other government-centric alternative. That's the big trade-off here. Shape up, and in exchange you never have to ship out.

To suggest that no grand deal between Industry and Obama is taking shape in this bill is to bury one's head in the sand. It's not like it's some secret who the blue dog Democrats in the Senate serve. Obama always knew he'd have to deal with these guys. Now he is.
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  -Reality Check: Obama knew from day one he had to appease the Insurance Lobby Truth2Tell  Nov-10-09 02:08 PM   #0 
  - this Bill doesn't appease the Insurance Lobby. It means their eventual Doom.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:10 PM   #1 
  - The U.S Senate, in it's present makeup,  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:13 PM   #4 
  - Not the immediate Doom, the EVENTUAL Doom  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #14 
  - Do you think the Insurance Cartel has been tricked  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:33 PM   #17 
     - they aren't going along with it. they are being drug along kicking and screaming  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:36 PM   #19 
  - I agree for the most part. I think that Obama made a mistake by not employing the people against  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 02:44 PM   #22 
     - It is not merely a shame that Obama woke up the people & then let their  truedelphi   Nov-11-09 02:51 PM   #75 
  - I sure hope somebody will doom me by giving me billions of dollars.  salguine   Nov-10-09 02:23 PM   #8 
  - and making you cover everybody, and removing your payment caps?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:31 PM   #15 
     - Yep, just like Romney Care. They love 30 to 40 million new captive customers with subsidies.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:02 PM   #26 
        - your are kidding yourself if you think they want to cover pre-existing conditions  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 03:07 PM   #27 
           - You are kidding yourself if you think they will cover pre-existing conditions.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:26 PM   #30 
              - key line: ...and then the insurance companies are able and willing to make some of these changes...  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:31 PM   #35 
              - I will smile when you and the OP are served your crow. it's going to be downright hi-larious!  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:28 PM   #43 
                 - Oh, he will sign a bill, i have no doubt. When did me or the OP say he wouldn't?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:41 PM   #48 
                    - Do you live in Massachusetts?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:03 PM   #53 
                       - No, I don't. I live in Montana. I used to  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 05:14 PM   #54 
  - How does it doom them? nt  polichick   Nov-10-09 04:31 PM   #44 
  - That is stupid.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 12:56 PM   #69 
  - i think you're right. unfortunate but reality.  dionysus   Nov-10-09 02:10 PM   #2 
  - FDR's ghost calls bullshit on that  derby378   Nov-10-09 02:12 PM   #3 
  - I'm not suggesting the Insurance Cartels  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:17 PM   #5 
  - My point was that FDR got stuff done WITHOUT a corporate signoff  derby378   Nov-10-09 02:21 PM   #6 
     - FDR had guts and spine. 99% of Washington Dems, Obama included, have neither.  MessiahRp   Nov-10-09 02:24 PM   #9 
     - Got it.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 12:26 AM   #62 
  - Obama ain't FDR  GreenArrow   Nov-10-09 02:23 PM   #7 
  - A lot of people at the time thought FDR  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:26 PM   #11 
  - That's right..He's President Barack Hussein Obama..  Cha   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #13 
  - Even LBJ's Ghost calls Bullshit on the OP.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 01:13 PM   #71 
     - Maybe he could of forced a good bill  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 03:17 PM   #76 
        - Please read what you just wrote and think about it.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 03:54 PM   #79 
           - You're getting me wrong.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 04:10 PM   #81 
              - Ah. Okay. That I can agree with.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 04:30 PM   #82 
  - You sure are determined to spin this as a win for insurance companies.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:24 PM   #10 
  - Like any compromise it's a win/lose  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #12 
     - No one spends $400 million to kill a bill they like. No one. n/t  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:32 PM   #16 
        - They didn't spend $400 million to kill the bill  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:35 PM   #18 
           - Don't be obtuse. They were pressuring members of Congress to vote against it.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:37 PM   #20 
              - In politics you operate on multiple simultaneous tracks  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:43 PM   #21 
              - "Sure, they took a swat at killing this thing in its cradle." Dumb, and it contradicts your point.  ProSense   Nov-10-09 02:47 PM   #23 
                 - Dumb? Is that the best you've got?  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 02:56 PM   #24 
                    - Yes, you insisted they love the bill, then tried to claim the money was to influence it,  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:12 PM   #28 
                       - I have never insisted they loved anything.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:24 PM   #29 
                          - "the bill includes a lot that they also like."  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:27 PM   #31 
              - The OP is correct ProSense. You are either spinning it or are truely out of it.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 03:00 PM   #25 
                 - You're always Spinning and have no right to say anyone else  Cha   Nov-10-09 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Follow The Money - Campaign Contributions To Obama Tell The Tale  ProleNoMore   Nov-10-09 03:29 PM   #32 
  - I Stand With Dennis Kucinich  ProleNoMore   Nov-10-09 03:31 PM   #34 
  - Yes it's possible insurance companies have influence..  mvd   Nov-10-09 03:38 PM   #36 
  - I think the Republicans are out of the game  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 03:44 PM   #37 
     - "Lieberman is jockeying on behalf of the industry for last minute concessions" Still doesn't mean  ProSense   Nov-10-09 03:50 PM   #38 
     - They did kill a real public option.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 04:01 PM   #39 
        - So you think they're okay with any public option?  ProSense   Nov-10-09 04:35 PM   #46 
           - Again the stawman.  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 04:42 PM   #49 
              - " I am not saying they like the bill. They like some of the things in the bill."  ProSense   Nov-10-09 04:59 PM   #52 
                 - They do like a lot of things in it. That's why Obama says they are working with him to get this done  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 05:16 PM   #55 
                 - What?  ProSense   Nov-10-09 05:21 PM   #56 
                    - When he came to Montana he said the exact opposite thing.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 06:00 PM   #57 
                       - Yeah, you seem to have missed the point  ProSense   Nov-10-09 06:44 PM   #60 
                          - Aetna is a member of AHIP  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 07:46 PM   #61 
                             - So? The industry group has been trying to kill reform. Aetna is one company  ProSense   Nov-11-09 12:16 PM   #66 
                                - AHIP wouldn't want 30-40 million new subsidized customers for their companies, like Aetna?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-11-09 01:41 PM   #72 
                                   - That logic is absurd  ProSense   Nov-11-09 01:45 PM   #73 
                                      - AHIP isn't an isurance company. It's the industry lobby. Aetna pays them to lobby for them  John Q. Citizen   Nov-11-09 01:55 PM   #74 
                 - You're like a bad Abbot and Costello bit. I no longer believe  Truth2Tell   Nov-10-09 06:10 PM   #58 
     - Hope you're right; I don't trust Lieberman do ever do the right thing  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:07 PM   #40 
     - Reconcilliation can only be done on limited parts of the bill, the parts that effect  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:32 PM   #45 
        - Can the public option be part of reconciliation?  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:36 PM   #47 
           - There won't be a PO, IMHO, there never was going to be a PO.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:54 PM   #50 
              - I agree about the Kucinich amendment; really want that put in  mvd   Nov-10-09 04:57 PM   #51 
     - Absolutely right.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-10-09 04:27 PM   #41 
  - Big Insurance and Big Pharma hire some of the biggest brains in the world to help them  bertman   Nov-10-09 04:27 PM   #42 
  - What is really needed is Democratic Party Reform -- We need a two-party system  Armstead   Nov-10-09 06:14 PM   #59 
  - Here are some current options  LatteLibertine   Nov-11-09 05:03 AM   #63 
  - The "lesser" of two evils is still evil...  ProudDad   Nov-11-09 12:48 PM   #68 
  - He might have to  Onlooker   Nov-11-09 06:10 AM   #64 
  - Who came up with this shit of our Government answering to private industry?  and-justice-for-all   Nov-11-09 12:13 PM   #65 
  - When one lives in a sick, stingy, hypocritical empire  ProudDad   Nov-11-09 12:46 PM   #67 
  - This is total Bullshit.  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 01:05 PM   #70 
  - OK, I suppose he could have run that type of campaign for health care reform.  Truth2Tell   Nov-11-09 03:27 PM   #78 
     - History has shown that politicians are very good at  ThomCat   Nov-11-09 04:00 PM   #80 
  - AHIP on passage of the bill  ProSense   Nov-11-09 03:18 PM   #77 
 

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