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Wed Nov-11-09 07:17 AM
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| 84. It maintains the status quo, just like Obama said. |
| -Actual Text of the Stupak Amendment...shall we discuss? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:16 PM |
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And just how many women do you think are going to sign up for abortion coverage? |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 01:21 PM |
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you do realize that currently if a woman is getting a subsidy, she has to buy a supplemental plan |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:24 PM |
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You need to watch more tv. Start with Maddow. |
DURHAM D |
Nov-10-09 01:33 PM |
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why do I need Rachel to tell me what to think? the amendment is right there. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:46 PM |
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Just because it's already happening |
Jamastiene |
Nov-10-09 01:33 PM |
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Healthcare Reform is not the time or place to attempt to expand abortion subsidies |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:44 PM |
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Expand abortion subsidies? What kind of rightwinger are you? |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-11-09 07:56 AM |
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It may very well cause some private insurers to drop abortion coverage entirely |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 01:33 PM |
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they already have separate plans. some cover abortion, some don't. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:47 PM |
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Most private insurance covers abortions |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 01:40 PM |
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why would private plans suddenly be subsidized? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:50 PM |
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because people under 88k for family of four are getting subsidies |
dsc |
Nov-10-09 01:53 PM |
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people who currently receive subsidies can't use them to buy abortion coverage |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:05 PM |
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Yes. Subsidies should apply to abortion coverage. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 02:12 PM |
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Is it worth torpedoing HCR just to subsidize Abortion? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:16 PM |
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Is it worth compromising with forced birth nutbags to get HCR. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 02:29 PM |
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how is keeping the status quo a compromise? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:37 PM |
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Because that is how the healthcare bill is set up |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 01:53 PM |
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Why do you need insurance to cover a $300 procedure? |
high density |
Nov-10-09 03:19 PM |
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Because you might need a procedure that costs a lot more than that |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 04:52 PM |
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I don't believe it's covered under the Hyde amendment either. |
msallied |
Nov-10-09 05:48 PM |
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Newsflash: Women don't plan on needing healthcare. |
boppers |
Nov-10-09 05:52 PM |
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What would be wrong with signing up for it? |
treestar |
Nov-11-09 12:55 PM |
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Okay so I'm reading and I'm confused. By the way thanks for uploading and starting dialogue. |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 01:53 PM |
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I got tired of people telling me what to think about it |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 01:58 PM |
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How popular do you think abortion insurance is going to be? |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 02:04 PM |
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the obstacle already exists for women receiving subsidies. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:08 PM |
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This is about people who are currently on private insurance |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 02:17 PM |
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how? if the plan includes abortion, and is being paid for with a subsidy |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:27 PM |
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Accounting |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 02:39 PM |
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if that part of the plan is being covered with private funds, |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:45 PM |
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What is the difference of changing the accounting so it is the same thing |
gravity |
Nov-10-09 03:04 PM |
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You are wrong on several counts |
dsc |
Nov-10-09 03:20 PM |
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Hiya, thanks for explaining. As an aside does anyone have te Hyde Amendment on hand. |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 03:42 PM |
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states are permitted to spend their own money on abortion via medicaid as they see fit |
dsc |
Nov-10-09 04:19 PM |
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do you have any evidence for this? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:42 PM |
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the clear text of the bill |
dsc |
Nov-10-09 05:10 PM |
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can you point me to that text (section,line)? or paste if you have it handy? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:41 PM |
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The words administrative costs covers the public plan |
dsc |
Nov-11-09 06:39 AM |
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in the amendment? in the Bill? where do you see this? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-11-09 01:10 PM |
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in the text you provided in your very own OP. |
dsc |
Nov-11-09 04:28 PM |
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Those interested in this subject have recieved |
juno jones |
Nov-10-09 02:14 PM |
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don't point me to someone else's opinion. the amendment is there. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:20 PM |
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The exceptions are for life of the mother and rape and incest. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 02:36 PM |
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all that is true of women on Medicare, right now. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:41 PM |
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Wrong. And it's Medicaid not Medicare. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 02:45 PM |
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this is if there is a Health risk. a supplemental plan is necessary if there is no risk. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 02:48 PM |
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The amendment that YOU POSTED does not allow for exceptions for health or fetal deformity |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 02:51 PM |
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neither do most of the states you posted |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 03:14 PM |
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I would actually prefer for abortions to be subsidized |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 03:17 PM |
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I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde, just not sandwiched into the Healthcare Reform Bill |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:30 PM |
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Then you should be against Stupak too. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 04:53 PM |
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I will not forsake Healthcare Reform to expand Abortion Rights. would you? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:55 PM |
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Actually it's the anti-choice Dems who were willing to forsake it |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 05:30 PM |
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Right. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:33 PM |
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You need to preach that to the DFLA and Republicans who are trying to use HCR to further restrict |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:06 PM |
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is the status quo ok with you, or do you want to subsidize abortions? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:08 PM |
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Sure I have NO problem subsidizing abortions. You do? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:10 PM |
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the point is that if the status quo is not maintained, the Bill will not be made Law |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:21 PM |
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Stupak HIMSELF said he would have voted for HCR even if his amendment hadn't passed. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:22 PM |
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Women on Medicare are well beyond the typical age of pregnancy. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:01 PM |
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Is it just me or does it smell a bit troll-y in here? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 03:18 PM |
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you want abortion subsidized and you will say whatever you have to to get that |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:17 PM |
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And why exactly do you personally have against the procedure being subsidized? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:20 PM |
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I personally do not have anything against it. As I said, I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:35 PM |
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I have never advocated killing the bill over Stupak, but I will *NOT* defend it as "OK". |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:36 PM |
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I don't want to defend its principles, just point out that many of the claims about it are untrue |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:49 PM |
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The claims ARE true. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:51 PM |
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i have provided evidence from the amendment that disprove several of the claims that have been made. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 06:03 PM |
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The problem is threefold, and not entirely contained within the amendment |
bain_sidhe |
Nov-10-09 03:24 PM |
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Because they define funds authorized or appropriated by the Act |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-10-09 03:26 PM |
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This is exactly what I needed. Thanks TheKentuckian. |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 03:52 PM |
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is this defined in the amendment, or is it elsewhere? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:52 PM |
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If you watched the debate you'd have few questions of intent here |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-11-09 12:50 PM |
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Oxygen helps life. Shall we discuss? Basic physiological needs must be met for an organism |
Malikshah |
Nov-10-09 04:19 PM |
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that's the whole amendment, Mal |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 04:41 PM |
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Dr. Robert--there has been a tremendous amount of discussion of the amendment |
Malikshah |
Nov-10-09 05:16 PM |
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your V impersonation needs alot of work. you can spin a yarn all day, |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:31 PM |
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I pointed out that it excludes both the health of the mother and fetal deformity. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 05:35 PM |
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I asked you if language was adjusted to include abnormal fetuses, etc, would that be enough for you? |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:39 PM |
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No, what we want is the religious right to stop trying to add further restrictions to access. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-10-09 05:41 PM |
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What I want is a "health" exception in Hyde, and by extension, the current bill. |
boppers |
Nov-10-09 06:19 PM |
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Like actually quoting the bill itself is a bad thing? |
treestar |
Nov-11-09 12:59 PM |
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only to people who would rather make up their own 'facts' |
Dr Robert |
Nov-11-09 01:10 PM |
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I don't agree with your analysis. I support the president on this. nt. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-10-09 05:36 PM |
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Obama wants the Status Quo to remain. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:54 PM |
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That's why he opposes Stupak. nt. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-11-09 07:08 AM |
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Obama said nothing about Stupak specifically. He just stated that the status quo should remain |
Dr Robert |
Nov-11-09 01:08 PM |
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"separat supplementa "? |
boppers |
Nov-10-09 05:47 PM |
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sorry. i took it upon myself to type it out because no other thread had it. |
Dr Robert |
Nov-10-09 05:51 PM |
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Someone needs to hire a proofreader, either the NYT's or whomever |
rasputin1952 |
Nov-10-09 07:38 PM |
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It maintains the status quo, just like Obama said. |
harun |
Nov-11-09 07:17 AM |
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you win the reading comprehension award! |
Dr Robert |
Nov-11-09 01:07 PM |
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Not procedurally, Hyde has to be voted on every year while Stupak wont have to be. |
uponit7771 |
Nov-11-09 01:10 PM |
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