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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:35 PM
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66. I pointed out that it excludes both the health of the mother and fetal deformity.
Right there in the text and you pooh-poohed it.
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  -Actual Text of the Stupak Amendment...shall we discuss? Dr Robert  Nov-10-09 01:16 PM   #0 
  - And just how many women do you think are going to sign up for abortion coverage?  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 01:21 PM   #1 
  - you do realize that currently if a woman is getting a subsidy, she has to buy a supplemental plan  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:24 PM   #2 
  - You need to watch more tv. Start with Maddow.  DURHAM D   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #3 
  - why do I need Rachel to tell me what to think? the amendment is right there.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:46 PM   #8 
  - Just because it's already happening  Jamastiene   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #4 
  - Healthcare Reform is not the time or place to attempt to expand abortion subsidies  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:44 PM   #7 
     - Expand abortion subsidies? What kind of rightwinger are you?  IndianaGreen   Nov-11-09 07:56 AM   #85 
  - It may very well cause some private insurers to drop abortion coverage entirely  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #5 
  - they already have separate plans. some cover abortion, some don't.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:47 PM   #9 
  - Most private insurance covers abortions  gravity   Nov-10-09 01:40 PM   #6 
     - why would private plans suddenly be subsidized?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:50 PM   #10 
        - because people under 88k for family of four are getting subsidies  dsc   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #12 
        - people who currently receive subsidies can't use them to buy abortion coverage  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:05 PM   #16 
           - Yes. Subsidies should apply to abortion coverage. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:12 PM   #18 
              - Is it worth torpedoing HCR just to subsidize Abortion?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:16 PM   #20 
                 - Is it worth compromising with forced birth nutbags to get HCR.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:29 PM   #24 
                    - how is keeping the status quo a compromise?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:37 PM   #26 
        - Because that is how the healthcare bill is set up  gravity   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #13 
  - Why do you need insurance to cover a $300 procedure?  high density   Nov-10-09 03:19 PM   #37 
  - Because you might need a procedure that costs a lot more than that  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 04:52 PM   #48 
     - I don't believe it's covered under the Hyde amendment either.  msallied   Nov-10-09 05:48 PM   #73 
  - Newsflash: Women don't plan on needing healthcare.  boppers   Nov-10-09 05:52 PM   #77 
  - What would be wrong with signing up for it?  treestar   Nov-11-09 12:55 PM   #87 
  - Okay so I'm reading and I'm confused. By the way thanks for uploading and starting dialogue.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #11 
  - I got tired of people telling me what to think about it  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:58 PM   #14 
  - How popular do you think abortion insurance is going to be?  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:04 PM   #15 
     - the obstacle already exists for women receiving subsidies.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:08 PM   #17 
        - This is about people who are currently on private insurance  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:17 PM   #21 
           - how? if the plan includes abortion, and is being paid for with a subsidy  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:27 PM   #23 
              - Accounting  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:39 PM   #27 
                 - if that part of the plan is being covered with private funds,  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:45 PM   #30 
                    - What is the difference of changing the accounting so it is the same thing  gravity   Nov-10-09 03:04 PM   #33 
  - You are wrong on several counts  dsc   Nov-10-09 03:20 PM   #38 
     - Hiya, thanks for explaining. As an aside does anyone have te Hyde Amendment on hand.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 03:42 PM   #41 
     - states are permitted to spend their own money on abortion via medicaid as they see fit  dsc   Nov-10-09 04:19 PM   #43 
     - do you have any evidence for this?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:42 PM   #47 
        - the clear text of the bill  dsc   Nov-10-09 05:10 PM   #55 
           - can you point me to that text (section,line)? or paste if you have it handy?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:41 PM   #71 
              - The words administrative costs covers the public plan  dsc   Nov-11-09 06:39 AM   #82 
                 - in the amendment? in the Bill? where do you see this?  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #91 
                    - in the text you provided in your very own OP.  dsc   Nov-11-09 04:28 PM   #94 
  - Those interested in this subject have recieved  juno jones   Nov-10-09 02:14 PM   #19 
  - don't point me to someone else's opinion. the amendment is there.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:20 PM   #22 
     - The exceptions are for life of the mother and rape and incest.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:36 PM   #25 
        - all that is true of women on Medicare, right now.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:41 PM   #28 
           - Wrong. And it's Medicaid not Medicare.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:45 PM   #29 
           - this is if there is a Health risk. a supplemental plan is necessary if there is no risk.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:48 PM   #31 
              - The amendment that YOU POSTED does not allow for exceptions for health or fetal deformity  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:51 PM   #32 
                 - neither do most of the states you posted  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 03:14 PM   #34 
                    - I would actually prefer for abortions to be subsidized  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 03:17 PM   #35 
                       - I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde, just not sandwiched into the Healthcare Reform Bill  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:30 PM   #45 
                          - Then you should be against Stupak too. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 04:53 PM   #50 
                          - I will not forsake Healthcare Reform to expand Abortion Rights. would you?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:55 PM   #51 
                             - Actually it's the anti-choice Dems who were willing to forsake it  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 05:30 PM   #62 
                                - Right.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:33 PM   #64 
                          - You need to preach that to the DFLA and Republicans who are trying to use HCR to further restrict  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:06 PM   #53 
                             - is the status quo ok with you, or do you want to subsidize abortions?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:08 PM   #54 
                                - Sure I have NO problem subsidizing abortions. You do?  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:10 PM   #56 
                                   - the point is that if the status quo is not maintained, the Bill will not be made Law  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:21 PM   #60 
                                      - Stupak HIMSELF said he would have voted for HCR even if his amendment hadn't passed.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:22 PM   #61 
           - Women on Medicare are well beyond the typical age of pregnancy.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:01 PM   #52 
  - Is it just me or does it smell a bit troll-y in here? eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 03:18 PM   #36 
  - you want abortion subsidized and you will say whatever you have to to get that  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:17 PM   #58 
     - And why exactly do you personally have against the procedure being subsidized?  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:20 PM   #59 
        - I personally do not have anything against it. As I said, I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:35 PM   #65 
           - I have never advocated killing the bill over Stupak, but I will *NOT* defend it as "OK".  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:36 PM   #67 
              - I don't want to defend its principles, just point out that many of the claims about it are untrue  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:49 PM   #74 
                 - The claims ARE true.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:51 PM   #76 
                    - i have provided evidence from the amendment that disprove several of the claims that have been made.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 06:03 PM   #79 
  - The problem is threefold, and not entirely contained within the amendment  bain_sidhe   Nov-10-09 03:24 PM   #39 
  - Because they define funds authorized or appropriated by the Act  TheKentuckian   Nov-10-09 03:26 PM   #40 
  - This is exactly what I needed. Thanks TheKentuckian.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 03:52 PM   #42 
  - is this defined in the amendment, or is it elsewhere?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:52 PM   #49 
     - If you watched the debate you'd have few questions of intent here  TheKentuckian   Nov-11-09 12:50 PM   #86 
  - Oxygen helps life. Shall we discuss? Basic physiological needs must be met for an organism  Malikshah   Nov-10-09 04:19 PM   #44 
  - that's the whole amendment, Mal  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:41 PM   #46 
  - Dr. Robert--there has been a tremendous amount of discussion of the amendment  Malikshah   Nov-10-09 05:16 PM   #57 
     - your V impersonation needs alot of work. you can spin a yarn all day,  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:31 PM   #63 
        - I pointed out that it excludes both the health of the mother and fetal deformity.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 05:35 PM   #66 
           - I asked you if language was adjusted to include abnormal fetuses, etc, would that be enough for you?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:39 PM   #69 
              - No, what we want is the religious right to stop trying to add further restrictions to access.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:41 PM   #70 
                 - What I want is a "health" exception in Hyde, and by extension, the current bill.  boppers   Nov-10-09 06:19 PM   #80 
  - Like actually quoting the bill itself is a bad thing?  treestar   Nov-11-09 12:59 PM   #88 
     - only to people who would rather make up their own 'facts'  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #93 
  - I don't agree with your analysis. I support the president on this. nt.  freddie mertz   Nov-10-09 05:36 PM   #68 
  - Obama wants the Status Quo to remain.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:54 PM   #78 
     - That's why he opposes Stupak. nt.  freddie mertz   Nov-11-09 07:08 AM   #83 
        - Obama said nothing about Stupak specifically. He just stated that the status quo should remain  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:08 PM   #90 
  - "separat supplementa "?  boppers   Nov-10-09 05:47 PM   #72 
  - sorry. i took it upon myself to type it out because no other thread had it.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:51 PM   #75 
  - Someone needs to hire a proofreader, either the NYT's or whomever  rasputin1952   Nov-10-09 07:38 PM   #81 
  - It maintains the status quo, just like Obama said.  harun   Nov-11-09 07:17 AM   #84 
     - you win the reading comprehension award!  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:07 PM   #89 
     - Not procedurally, Hyde has to be voted on every year while Stupak wont have to be.  uponit7771   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #92 

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