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Dr Robert Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:16 PM
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Actual Text of the Stupak Amendment...shall we discuss?
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(a) IN GENERAL -
No funds authorized or appropriated by the Act (or amendment made by this Act) may be used to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion, except in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unleass an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, or unless the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

(b) OPTION TO PURCHASE SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE OR PLAN -
Nothing in this section shall be construed as prohibiting any nonfederal entity (including an individual or a State or local government) from purchasing separate or supplemental coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section, or a plan that includes such abortions, so long as-
(1) Such coverage or plan is paid for entirely using funds not authorized or appropriated by this Act; and
(2) Such coverage or plan is not purchased using-
(a) individual premium payments required for an Exchange-participating health benefits pan towards which an affordability credit is applied; or
(b) other nonfederal funds required to receive a federal payment, including State's or locality's contribution of Medicaid matching funds.

(c) OPTION TO OFFER SUPPLEMENTAL COVERAGE OR PLAN -
Notwithstanding section 303(b), nothing in this section shall restrict any nonfederal QHBP offering entity from offering separat supplementa coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section, or a plan that includes such abortions, so long as-
(1) premiums for such separate supplemental coverage or plan are paid for entirele with funds not authorized or appropriated by this Act;
(2) administrative costs and all services offered through such supplemental coverage or plan are paid for using only premiums collected for such coverage or plan; and
(3) any nonfederal QHBP offering entity that offers an Exchange-participating health benefits plan that includes coverage for abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section also offers an Exchange-participating health benefits plan that is identical in every respect except that it does not cover abortions for which funding is prohibited under this section.

http://documents.nytimes.com/the-stupak-amendment



Could someone please point out where purchase of supplemental abortion coverage with private funds is disallowed?

or where Insurance plans with abortion coverage are disallowed from the Exchange?

These are the 2 big complaints I have seen from NARAL and others, but I can find no language in the amendment to support them.
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  -Actual Text of the Stupak Amendment...shall we discuss? Dr Robert  Nov-10-09 01:16 PM   #0 
  - And just how many women do you think are going to sign up for abortion coverage?  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 01:21 PM   #1 
  - you do realize that currently if a woman is getting a subsidy, she has to buy a supplemental plan  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:24 PM   #2 
  - You need to watch more tv. Start with Maddow.  DURHAM D   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #3 
  - why do I need Rachel to tell me what to think? the amendment is right there.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:46 PM   #8 
  - Just because it's already happening  Jamastiene   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #4 
  - Healthcare Reform is not the time or place to attempt to expand abortion subsidies  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:44 PM   #7 
     - Expand abortion subsidies? What kind of rightwinger are you?  IndianaGreen   Nov-11-09 07:56 AM   #85 
  - It may very well cause some private insurers to drop abortion coverage entirely  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 01:33 PM   #5 
  - they already have separate plans. some cover abortion, some don't.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:47 PM   #9 
  - Most private insurance covers abortions  gravity   Nov-10-09 01:40 PM   #6 
     - why would private plans suddenly be subsidized?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:50 PM   #10 
        - because people under 88k for family of four are getting subsidies  dsc   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #12 
        - people who currently receive subsidies can't use them to buy abortion coverage  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:05 PM   #16 
           - Yes. Subsidies should apply to abortion coverage. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:12 PM   #18 
              - Is it worth torpedoing HCR just to subsidize Abortion?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:16 PM   #20 
                 - Is it worth compromising with forced birth nutbags to get HCR.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:29 PM   #24 
                    - how is keeping the status quo a compromise?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:37 PM   #26 
        - Because that is how the healthcare bill is set up  gravity   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #13 
  - Why do you need insurance to cover a $300 procedure?  high density   Nov-10-09 03:19 PM   #37 
  - Because you might need a procedure that costs a lot more than that  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 04:52 PM   #48 
     - I don't believe it's covered under the Hyde amendment either.  msallied   Nov-10-09 05:48 PM   #73 
  - Newsflash: Women don't plan on needing healthcare.  boppers   Nov-10-09 05:52 PM   #77 
  - What would be wrong with signing up for it?  treestar   Nov-11-09 12:55 PM   #87 
  - Okay so I'm reading and I'm confused. By the way thanks for uploading and starting dialogue.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 01:53 PM   #11 
  - I got tired of people telling me what to think about it  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 01:58 PM   #14 
  - How popular do you think abortion insurance is going to be?  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:04 PM   #15 
     - the obstacle already exists for women receiving subsidies.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:08 PM   #17 
        - This is about people who are currently on private insurance  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:17 PM   #21 
           - how? if the plan includes abortion, and is being paid for with a subsidy  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:27 PM   #23 
              - Accounting  gravity   Nov-10-09 02:39 PM   #27 
                 - if that part of the plan is being covered with private funds,  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:45 PM   #30 
                    - What is the difference of changing the accounting so it is the same thing  gravity   Nov-10-09 03:04 PM   #33 
  - You are wrong on several counts  dsc   Nov-10-09 03:20 PM   #38 
     - Hiya, thanks for explaining. As an aside does anyone have te Hyde Amendment on hand.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 03:42 PM   #41 
     - states are permitted to spend their own money on abortion via medicaid as they see fit  dsc   Nov-10-09 04:19 PM   #43 
     - do you have any evidence for this?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:42 PM   #47 
        - the clear text of the bill  dsc   Nov-10-09 05:10 PM   #55 
           - can you point me to that text (section,line)? or paste if you have it handy?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:41 PM   #71 
              - The words administrative costs covers the public plan  dsc   Nov-11-09 06:39 AM   #82 
                 - in the amendment? in the Bill? where do you see this?  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #91 
                    - in the text you provided in your very own OP.  dsc   Nov-11-09 04:28 PM   #94 
  - Those interested in this subject have recieved  juno jones   Nov-10-09 02:14 PM   #19 
  - don't point me to someone else's opinion. the amendment is there.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:20 PM   #22 
     - The exceptions are for life of the mother and rape and incest.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:36 PM   #25 
        - all that is true of women on Medicare, right now.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:41 PM   #28 
           - Wrong. And it's Medicaid not Medicare.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:45 PM   #29 
           - this is if there is a Health risk. a supplemental plan is necessary if there is no risk.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 02:48 PM   #31 
              - The amendment that YOU POSTED does not allow for exceptions for health or fetal deformity  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 02:51 PM   #32 
                 - neither do most of the states you posted  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 03:14 PM   #34 
                    - I would actually prefer for abortions to be subsidized  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 03:17 PM   #35 
                       - I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde, just not sandwiched into the Healthcare Reform Bill  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:30 PM   #45 
                          - Then you should be against Stupak too. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 04:53 PM   #50 
                          - I will not forsake Healthcare Reform to expand Abortion Rights. would you?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:55 PM   #51 
                             - Actually it's the anti-choice Dems who were willing to forsake it  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 05:30 PM   #62 
                                - Right.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:33 PM   #64 
                          - You need to preach that to the DFLA and Republicans who are trying to use HCR to further restrict  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:06 PM   #53 
                             - is the status quo ok with you, or do you want to subsidize abortions?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:08 PM   #54 
                                - Sure I have NO problem subsidizing abortions. You do?  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:10 PM   #56 
                                   - the point is that if the status quo is not maintained, the Bill will not be made Law  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:21 PM   #60 
                                      - Stupak HIMSELF said he would have voted for HCR even if his amendment hadn't passed.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:22 PM   #61 
           - Women on Medicare are well beyond the typical age of pregnancy.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:01 PM   #52 
  - Is it just me or does it smell a bit troll-y in here? eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 03:18 PM   #36 
  - you want abortion subsidized and you will say whatever you have to to get that  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:17 PM   #58 
     - And why exactly do you personally have against the procedure being subsidized?  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:20 PM   #59 
        - I personally do not have anything against it. As I said, I would support a Bill that repealed Hyde  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:35 PM   #65 
           - I have never advocated killing the bill over Stupak, but I will *NOT* defend it as "OK".  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:36 PM   #67 
              - I don't want to defend its principles, just point out that many of the claims about it are untrue  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:49 PM   #74 
                 - The claims ARE true.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:51 PM   #76 
                    - i have provided evidence from the amendment that disprove several of the claims that have been made.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 06:03 PM   #79 
  - The problem is threefold, and not entirely contained within the amendment  bain_sidhe   Nov-10-09 03:24 PM   #39 
  - Because they define funds authorized or appropriated by the Act  TheKentuckian   Nov-10-09 03:26 PM   #40 
  - This is exactly what I needed. Thanks TheKentuckian.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 03:52 PM   #42 
  - is this defined in the amendment, or is it elsewhere?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:52 PM   #49 
     - If you watched the debate you'd have few questions of intent here  TheKentuckian   Nov-11-09 12:50 PM   #86 
  - Oxygen helps life. Shall we discuss? Basic physiological needs must be met for an organism  Malikshah   Nov-10-09 04:19 PM   #44 
  - that's the whole amendment, Mal  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 04:41 PM   #46 
  - Dr. Robert--there has been a tremendous amount of discussion of the amendment  Malikshah   Nov-10-09 05:16 PM   #57 
     - your V impersonation needs alot of work. you can spin a yarn all day,  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:31 PM   #63 
        - I pointed out that it excludes both the health of the mother and fetal deformity.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-10-09 05:35 PM   #66 
           - I asked you if language was adjusted to include abnormal fetuses, etc, would that be enough for you?  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:39 PM   #69 
              - No, what we want is the religious right to stop trying to add further restrictions to access.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-09 05:41 PM   #70 
                 - What I want is a "health" exception in Hyde, and by extension, the current bill.  boppers   Nov-10-09 06:19 PM   #80 
  - Like actually quoting the bill itself is a bad thing?  treestar   Nov-11-09 12:59 PM   #88 
     - only to people who would rather make up their own 'facts'  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #93 
  - I don't agree with your analysis. I support the president on this. nt.  freddie mertz   Nov-10-09 05:36 PM   #68 
  - Obama wants the Status Quo to remain.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:54 PM   #78 
     - That's why he opposes Stupak. nt.  freddie mertz   Nov-11-09 07:08 AM   #83 
        - Obama said nothing about Stupak specifically. He just stated that the status quo should remain  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:08 PM   #90 
  - "separat supplementa "?  boppers   Nov-10-09 05:47 PM   #72 
  - sorry. i took it upon myself to type it out because no other thread had it.  Dr Robert   Nov-10-09 05:51 PM   #75 
  - Someone needs to hire a proofreader, either the NYT's or whomever  rasputin1952   Nov-10-09 07:38 PM   #81 
  - It maintains the status quo, just like Obama said.  harun   Nov-11-09 07:17 AM   #84 
     - you win the reading comprehension award!  Dr Robert   Nov-11-09 01:07 PM   #89 
     - Not procedurally, Hyde has to be voted on every year while Stupak wont have to be.  uponit7771   Nov-11-09 01:10 PM   #92 
 

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