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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:05 AM
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69. "Calmer heads"? Big putdown when our party just sold out women...
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  -I've downloaded the full House HealthCare Bill and the Stupak Amendment in .pdf if you want a copy stevenleser  Nov-10-09 12:33 AM   #0 
  - I agree with you about the healthcare bill because I have read it, but the stupak ammedment is B.S  still_one   Nov-10-09 12:38 AM   #1 
  - That is your opinion. Rep Degette, the Pro-Choice Caucus,  saracat   Nov-10-09 12:39 AM   #2 
  - No, it is not my "opinion". The wording is utterly straightforward.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:43 AM   #3 
     - I have read the wording and you are slamming the pro choice groups.  saracat   Nov-10-09 12:47 AM   #5 
        - If you read the amendment, you know that you are spreading unjustified fear  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:51 AM   #8 
           - My motives are the same as prochoice America, NOW , Naral, Rep Degette,Rachel Maddow and Sen.  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:03 AM   #23 
              - How do you know your motives are the same? Did you ask them?  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:12 AM   #32 
                 - They state their motives regarding this amendment.They are clear.  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:20 AM   #40 
                    - Well, they have not stated their motives regarding their misunderstanding of the bill to me  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:32 AM   #52 
                       - They aren't misunderstanding. You are.  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:37 AM   #56 
                          - No, I am not, as I have easily refuted every contrary point you have raised (n/t)  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:40 AM   #59 
                             - And they aren't just my points.You haven't"refuted ".anything  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:49 AM   #63 
                                - I'll tell you of what you have convinced me. I am going to write an article on this where i go line  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:52 AM   #65 
                                   - Bye. I am sure anti choicers will be thrilled. You are so much smarter than NOW!  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:57 AM   #67 
  - Why not just paste the specific language here in the thread, that contradicts what the pro-choice  villager   Nov-10-09 12:47 AM   #4 
  - Because whoever created the .pdfs created them as graphics, i.e. they did not OCR the text  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:49 AM   #6 
  - What interest would the Pro-Choice groups have in misrepresnting the Stupak Amendment?  saracat   Nov-10-09 12:55 AM   #14 
     - I dont care what is in people's heads, I care what the bill says. (n/t)  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:57 AM   #18 
        - Answer the question. Why would these people be misrepresenting Stupak?  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:09 AM   #28 
           - For the last time, I am not a mindreader  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:11 AM   #30 
              - But do you think they are not capable of reading a n amedment correctly?  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:19 AM   #38 
                 - And that is all to which I stipulate.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:33 AM   #53 
  - What I would like to know is what Interest all of the people I mention he thinks  saracat   Nov-10-09 12:51 AM   #7 
     - Unlike you, I am not attributing motive to people I have never met.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:53 AM   #10 
     - I am not. I have quoted the text repeatedly and it is very bad.  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:01 AM   #20 
        - yes you have. You have never met me and you attributed multiple motives to me  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:06 AM   #26 
           - My take is that anyone who receives any subsidy from the government  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:12 AM   #33 
              - That is not correct. It specifically says the opposite. Are you intentionally not seeing that?  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:18 AM   #37 
                 - I cannot see what is not there. Why are you seemingly defending Stupak?  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:21 AM   #42 
     - A couple of other DUers went on the same tangent today, insisting the pro-choice groups were wrong  villager   Nov-10-09 12:54 AM   # 
     - Oh brother. Have you read the text?  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:55 AM   #13 
     - so by now you could've quoted here the salient passages, yes?  villager   Nov-10-09 12:56 AM   #15 
        - No. But you can read them here  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:57 AM   #17 
     - No kidding.  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:20 AM   #41 
     - They, like you, probably did NOT read the bill and are relying on  ecstatic   Nov-10-09 12:01 PM   #81 
  - Find a video of Rachel's show tonight before you argue about this.  madfloridian   Nov-10-09 12:52 AM   #9 
  - I have the text in front of me. Why would I trust someone else's interpretation over what I am  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:54 AM   #11 
     - how about a quote or two? To, you know, make your case a slam dunk?  villager   Nov-10-09 12:55 AM   #12 
     - Here, I found a link. Have at it...  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 12:56 AM   #16 
        - Was about to post the same link, and of course, you're wrong -- the language is clear  villager   Nov-10-09 01:00 AM   #19 
           - No, I am not wrong. Which part dont you get? (n/t)  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:01 AM   #21 
           - Read. Page. Two.  villager   Nov-10-09 01:04 AM   #24 
              - That is not correct. There are two versions of every plan to be offered.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:08 AM   #27 
                 - If it's the last section, I think the language in paragraph (1) is clear about the funding  villager   Nov-10-09 01:18 AM   #36 
           - Once again from my OP  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:02 AM   #22 
              - It's a punitive tax on women, that doesn't currently exist. Why are other DU men  villager   Nov-10-09 01:05 AM   #25 
                 - My OP doesnt address that. It addresses some of the incorrect contentions.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:10 AM   #29 
                 - Yes, it changes the fucking status quo, because women whose insurance covered them  villager   Nov-10-09 01:13 AM   #34 
                    - That is absolutely not true. Look, I may be male, but my insurance through my firm covers abortion  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:21 AM   #43 
                    - "...if they are going to pay for it themselves."  villager   Nov-10-09 01:32 AM   #50 
                    - The "non-exchange covered slut policies" as you call them are what companies buy for their employees  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:39 AM   #57 
                       - Companies will buy extra abortion coverage for their employees?  villager   Nov-10-09 01:44 AM   #62 
                          - I already have abortion coverage, why would I need extra? Do you not understand the concept of the  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:50 AM   #64 
                             - do you not understand the concept of one plan costing more than the other?  villager   Nov-10-09 02:23 AM   #68 
                    - Right!! Stupak doesnt say HCI's can NOT offer abortion insurance they have to offer a rider WITHOUT  uponit7771   Nov-10-09 10:31 AM   #74 
                    - "Why are you defending this" - I'll explain  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:26 AM   #46 
                       - Unfortunately ,you are wrong.And many of us, including some who have a vote  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:31 AM   #48 
                       - I am not wrong. Every argument you have raised I have easily refuted.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:36 AM   #55 
                          - You haven't refuted a darn thing. You just deny and insist your opinion  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:39 AM   #58 
                             - Every time you have raised a portion of the language, I have shown you where you were wrong  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:42 AM   #60 
                                - Not so. Thank God you don't have any influence or a vote.Just let the Pro-Choice  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:56 AM   #66 
                       - It's means the Democratic party took the side of religion over women's rights.  madfloridian   Nov-10-09 11:17 AM   #78 
                 - The entire bill is a tax increase on men  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-09 10:09 AM   #73 
     - because it's someone else's interpretation  nosferaustin   Nov-10-09 09:37 AM   #72 
  - It's what could happen under this legislation  sandnsea   Nov-10-09 01:12 AM   #31 
  - Now that is an interesting contention worth discussing. Thank you.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:16 AM   #35 
  - Oh hey, me too  sandnsea   Nov-10-09 01:32 AM   #51 
  - +1, I think you've identified the distinction.  NYC_SKP   Nov-10-09 01:19 AM   #39 
  - "solves the problem if calmer heads would prevail."  Forkboy   Nov-10-09 01:24 AM   #44 
  - This is a practical example of just "one" of the problems  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:25 AM   #45 
  - +1  villager   Nov-10-09 01:29 AM   #47 
  - That doesnt make sense.  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:31 AM   #49 
     - If you had "read" my post properly you would be able to interpret that this isn't "MY" plan  saracat   Nov-10-09 01:36 AM   #54 
        - No, I read your post correctly. Once again, you didnt read the parts of my post that you didnt like  stevenleser   Nov-10-09 01:43 AM   #61 
        - K, Stupak sec 236 and Hyde 507 read almost word for word the same why isn't that happening today  uponit7771   Nov-10-09 09:14 AM   #71 
  - "Calmer heads"? Big putdown when our party just sold out women...  madfloridian   Nov-10-09 09:05 AM   #69 
  - There's NO supplemental insurance NOW! Stupak, like Hyde, does NOT prevent the use of ones own money  uponit7771   Nov-10-09 09:11 AM   #70 
  - NO, it is NOT simple when women are discriminated against and have to Buy  joeycola   Nov-10-09 10:37 AM   #76 
  - Total practical solution  Jennicut   Nov-10-09 11:25 AM   #79 
  - They sold women out to the religious right. Just like they have done to gays.  madfloridian   Nov-10-09 10:34 AM   #75 
  - Thanks Steven. I'll pm you n/t  firedupdem   Nov-10-09 10:41 AM   #77 
  - I think you may be missing part of the point  dccrossman   Nov-10-09 11:53 AM   #80 
 

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