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102. The "place" in question was DU. You think DU is too conservative?
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  -I didn't want to say this but I will... vaberella  Nov-09-09 05:16 PM   #0 
  - Unrec Patrol out in force on this thread.  intheflow   Nov-09-09 05:24 PM   #1 
  - They always will be...Whatever. n/t  vaberella   Nov-09-09 05:40 PM   #11 
  - Kucinich didn't fuck any of us over...he like Pelosi knew it had the votes to pass so could vote aga  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:46 PM   #71 
     - You really show your ignornace on how the system is gamed.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:47 PM   #72 
     - Once Pelosi got the votes she needed she went around telling some to vote agaisnt it to ensure reele  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:48 PM   #73 
        - I believe Pelosi expects the Stupak to be eliminated by the senate  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:48 PM   #74 
           - I beleive she was assured it would be.Becoming better informed requires effort.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:49 PM   #76 
              - This bill is crap in so many ways BUT it opens the door for gov, involvement which  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:50 PM   #77 
                 - can be expanded on later.SS bill was shit too when first passed.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:52 PM   #78 
                    - Say what you will but our legislators must feel the pressure of disappointment or they won't change  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:53 PM   #80 
                       - Maybe if it said no men over 30 would be covered if subsidized that would be a  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:54 PM   #81 
                          - deal breaker for you.Reform should not include condemnation of rights.  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:56 PM   #82 
                             - It's not ins. reform when you tell people what procedures the gov.won't allow  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:57 PM   #83 
                                - Take heart:Reconciliation is for budgetary issues only and Medicare is a budgetary program  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:58 PM   #84 
                                   - So Medicare for all can be passed using reconciliation which requires only 51 vote majority  bjobotts   Nov-10-09 03:59 PM   #85 
                                      - Talk about ignorance...WTF was that?  Egnever   Nov-12-09 02:43 AM   #133 
                                      - are you talking to yourself?  Egnever   Nov-12-09 02:44 AM   #134 
     - A) You're attacking the wrong person.  intheflow   Nov-10-09 04:05 PM   #88 
     - Please use the "message" body for your posts.  DireStrike   Nov-10-09 04:52 PM   #100 
  - I think you need to respect other people's personal stories too  dsc   Nov-09-09 05:24 PM   #2 
  - Did I ever say I don't support abortion rights?  vaberella   Nov-09-09 05:36 PM   #9 
  - and health isn't covered  dsc   Nov-09-09 05:49 PM   #17 
     - A person who had an abortion might also need other health care later  treestar   Nov-11-09 03:00 PM   #126 
  - There is a difference between treating life and death illnesses  Ms. Toad   Nov-10-09 04:04 PM   #87 
     - what about sterility is that a good enough tradeoff  dsc   Nov-11-09 08:46 AM   #111 
     - Sterility is still better than death  Ms. Toad   Nov-11-09 09:55 AM   #113 
     - Planned Parenthood, NARAL and similar organizations  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-09 10:08 AM   #116 
  - I didn't want to say this but I will...  kickysnana   Nov-09-09 05:24 PM   #3 
  - Get what we can right now.  cleveramerican   Nov-09-09 05:25 PM   #4 
  - Mine too.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 05:44 PM   #12 
  - That's the only sane position.  jefferson_dem   Nov-09-09 05:49 PM   #16 
  - Paul Krugman, Howard Dean, Alan Grayson, & Bernie Sanders agree with you.  patrice   Nov-09-09 09:54 PM   #53 
     - If you're saying that Bernie Sanders agrees that we need THIS Public Option you are wrong.  bertman   Nov-10-09 04:54 PM   #101 
  - Just wait once the Democrats control the House and have 60 votes in the Senate  AllentownJake   Nov-09-09 05:27 PM   #5 
  - you mean once liberals  CTLawGuy   Nov-10-09 05:39 AM   #58 
  - Hey, you left this behind....  MrMickeysMom   Nov-10-09 03:22 PM   #65 
  - Explain your statement about "preexisting" conditions.  FLyellowdog   Nov-09-09 05:28 PM   #6 
  - She is saying that if people  POAS   Nov-09-09 05:36 PM   #7 
  - And yet, with no control over price, the insurance which covers those  mbperrin   Nov-09-09 06:45 PM   #26 
     - Hear hear....SINGLE PAYER ..or.. Bust .  Garam_Masala   Nov-09-09 07:02 PM   #34 
     - but the price to the patient will be limited because there will be a subsidy  CreekDog   Nov-09-09 10:18 PM   #55 
        - I think you're not dealing honestly. What is that fixed amount?  mbperrin   Nov-10-09 07:40 AM   #60 
           - I did the calculation on my family  Ms. Toad   Nov-10-09 04:06 PM   #89 
              - Can you provide the link to that calculation, please?  mbperrin   Nov-11-09 09:28 AM   #112 
                 - It was posted in another thread here.  Ms. Toad   Nov-11-09 09:56 AM   #114 
                 - Here it is.  Ms. Toad   Nov-11-09 10:22 AM   #119 
                    - Thanks! I'm on my way over!  mbperrin   Nov-11-09 02:54 PM   #125 
  - It was clear that the bill would NOT pass in the House without  prolesunited   Nov-09-09 05:36 PM   #8 
  - If the bill is shot down and not passed then people with pre-existing conditions still suffer  vaberella   Nov-09-09 05:38 PM   #10 
  - OK, I got it this time. Yes, that would be for certain.  FLyellowdog   Nov-09-09 05:52 PM   #20 
  - for 10 years the grantcarts have not been able to see a doctor  grantcart   Nov-09-09 07:55 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for sharing your personal story with us. I agree completely. K&R  ClarkUSA   Nov-09-09 05:44 PM   #13 
  - In the past day or so, teh stupids have crawled out from under their rocks.  jefferson_dem   Nov-09-09 05:47 PM   #14 
  - Exactly. Keep your chin up Vabs! NT  Clio the Leo   Nov-09-09 05:52 PM   #19 
  - this amendment is a brilliant piece of strategery.  mopinko   Nov-09-09 05:49 PM   #15 
  - Vabrella, I am so sorry to hear your sad story  demwing   Nov-09-09 05:51 PM   #18 
  - That's what I'm hoping for. There are a few like me---my friends to be exact. n/t  vaberella   Nov-09-09 06:56 PM   #30 
  - Damnit, You are making me cry!  FrenchieCat   Nov-09-09 05:54 PM   #21 
  - Don't cry. I get angry to the point of tears too when I hear people want to kill this bill.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 07:01 PM   #32 
  - Thanks Vaberella..for  Cha   Nov-09-09 05:59 PM   #22 
  - Hanging. My sister was dancing for joy when I told her the bill passed.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 06:51 PM   #28 
     - Going to help so many deserving people!  Cha   Nov-09-09 09:01 PM   #50 
  - I am in sympathy of your plight and of those that need urgent care now...  winyanstaz   Nov-09-09 06:02 PM   #23 
  - How are women going to die?  Egnever   Nov-09-09 07:33 PM   #40 
     - this bill makes it very hard  winyanstaz   Nov-10-09 12:04 AM   #57 
        - Where are you getting your research/facts?  AllTooEasy   Nov-10-09 03:49 PM   #75 
        - Thank you for a dose of reality. n/t  Ms. Toad   Nov-10-09 04:08 PM   #90 
        - that's not the case everywhere in this country  noiretextatique   Nov-10-09 04:10 PM   #91 
        - You can't compare prostrate//testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage...  AllTooEasy   Nov-12-09 01:26 AM   #128 
        - You can't compare prostrate/testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage...  AllTooEasy   Nov-12-09 01:28 AM   #129 
        - You can't compare prostrate//testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage...  AllTooEasy   Nov-12-09 01:29 AM   #130 
  - vaberella,  chill_wind   Nov-09-09 06:33 PM   #24 
  - I hope not.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 06:59 PM   #31 
     - Excellent question. I have no idea.  chill_wind   Nov-09-09 07:16 PM   #37 
     - inside the echange  Egnever   Nov-09-09 08:19 PM   #48 
        - Thanks Egnever. n/t  vaberella   Nov-10-09 04:14 PM   #93 
  - I'm one of the people with pre-existing conditions.  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 06:41 PM   #25 
  - I see your point.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 07:05 PM   #36 
  - woa woa woa  Egnever   Nov-09-09 07:39 PM   #41 
     - I did read it myself and many of the summaries.  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 07:48 PM   #43 
        - Wow well thats a pretty defeatist attitude you got there.  Egnever   Nov-09-09 08:02 PM   #47 
        - I think it would be wonderful to put those restrictions in place.  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 08:40 PM   #49 
           - Maybe we can step back and try to discuss these one at a time.  Egnever   Nov-09-09 09:38 PM   #52 
              - My statement is true because  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 10:45 PM   #56 
        - The protections are laws, not "practices."  Ms. Toad   Nov-10-09 04:27 PM   #98 
        - The regulator can kick the insurer out of the exchange.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-09 10:13 AM   #118 
  - I hear you. Please hear me.  Laelth   Nov-09-09 06:51 PM   #27 
  - Actually that's the thing with the bill.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 06:55 PM   #29 
  - The subsidies are wholly inadequate.  Laelth   Nov-09-09 07:04 PM   #35 
  - I totally agree with you  char22   Nov-10-09 05:26 PM   #106 
     - Welcome to DU.  Laelth   Nov-10-09 08:51 PM   #110 
  - dumping this bill doesn't mean giving up  optimator   Nov-09-09 07:01 PM   #33 
  - We will not start all over again.......  FrenchieCat   Nov-09-09 07:18 PM   #38 
  - You don't get it. We have a lot of issues to take care of.  vaberella   Nov-09-09 07:21 PM   #39 
  - I don't care what the name of the party in power is, I care what they do.  pundaint   Nov-10-09 03:46 PM   #70 
  - what makes you think so?  Egnever   Nov-09-09 07:58 PM   #45 
  - Yes it does. It means exactly that.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-09 10:22 AM   #120 
  - My dearest vaberella  Egnever   Nov-09-09 07:48 PM   #42 
  - Thanks Egnever, you're the best..  vaberella   Nov-09-09 08:00 PM   #46 
  - "This place does not represent america."  Number23   Nov-10-09 03:52 PM   #79 
     - it absolutely does reflect's a microcosm  noiretextatique   Nov-10-09 04:16 PM   #95 
        - The "place" in question was DU. You think DU is too conservative?  Number23   Nov-10-09 05:01 PM   #102 
           - yes  noiretextatique   Nov-10-09 05:15 PM   #104 
  - I will continue to fight for you  dave29   Nov-09-09 09:26 PM   #51 
  - I really do wish you well..........  char22   Nov-10-09 05:41 PM   #107 
  - K&R  HughMoran   Nov-09-09 10:02 PM   #54 
  - K&R  JTFrog   Nov-10-09 06:01 AM   #59 
  - Shallow  GeorgeGist   Nov-10-09 08:13 AM   #61 
  - You are not alone, there are many just like you.  watercolors   Nov-10-09 08:17 AM   #62 
  - This argument is premature. This is not a final bill. Worrying that those against the Stupad amend  rhett o rick   Nov-10-09 03:20 PM   #63 
  - I'll be a bit clearer.  vaberella   Nov-10-09 04:12 PM   #92 
  - With respect, you must develop a thicker skin. Ignore, ignore, ignore.  rhett o rick   Nov-10-09 06:45 PM   #108 
  - All the bills end exclusion based on preconditions.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-09 10:25 AM   #121 
  - This doesn't get you health care, just health "insurance."  sam kane   Nov-10-09 03:21 PM   #64 
  - There is plenty in the bill that forbid the insurance companies to treat you that way any more  emulatorloo   Nov-10-09 03:31 PM   #67 
  - Shall we abandon those who aren't served by this bill because you are?  pundaint   Nov-10-09 03:29 PM   #66 
  - 38 Million are served by this bill, including me. Let me add also...  vaberella   Nov-10-09 04:03 PM   #86 
  - This is a bad bill and we can do much better....  winyanstaz   Nov-10-09 03:36 PM   #68 
  - vaberella - my heart goes out to you, you are solidly in my thoughts  emulatorloo   Nov-10-09 03:38 PM   #69 
  - Agreed and thanks for your consideration. n/t  vaberella   Nov-10-09 04:17 PM   #96 
  - You are not alone..  Peacetrain   Nov-10-09 04:15 PM   #94 
  - 64 recs? I'm impressed. My similar post got ravaged.  thesquanderer   Nov-10-09 04:26 PM   #97 
  - General Discussion vs. GDP  AllentownJake   Nov-11-09 10:12 AM   #117 
  - good point  Scruffy1   Nov-10-09 04:49 PM   #99 
  - I didn't want to reply but I will  valerief   Nov-10-09 05:03 PM   #103 
  - I'll respond to this.  vaberella   Nov-11-09 10:41 AM   #122 
     - Well, Congress is actually put in place by the corporate money that allows them  valerief   Nov-11-09 11:54 AM   #123 
  - I am for National Health CARE but not this......  char22   Nov-10-09 05:21 PM   #105 
  - I read your detailed and highly personal thread the other day.  annabanana   Nov-10-09 07:11 PM   #109 
  - BRA-FUCKING-VO!!! REC by proxy after 24hrs  xultar   Nov-11-09 10:06 AM   #115 
  - What good is "access to insurance"  ProudDad   Nov-11-09 12:31 PM   #124 
  - You need to read it or something  treestar   Nov-11-09 03:02 PM   #127 
  - You make a compelling argument. nt  ZombieHorde   Nov-12-09 02:31 AM   #131 
  - Naughty doppelganger. nt  ZombieHorde   Nov-12-09 02:31 AM   #132 

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