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Mon Nov-09-09 05:40 PM
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| 11. They always will be...Whatever. n/t |
| -I didn't want to say this but I will... |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 05:16 PM |
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Unrec Patrol out in force on this thread. |
intheflow |
Nov-09-09 05:24 PM |
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They always will be...Whatever. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 05:40 PM |
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Kucinich didn't fuck any of us over...he like Pelosi knew it had the votes to pass so could vote aga |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:46 PM |
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You really show your ignornace on how the system is gamed. |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:47 PM |
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Once Pelosi got the votes she needed she went around telling some to vote agaisnt it to ensure reele |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:48 PM |
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I believe Pelosi expects the Stupak to be eliminated by the senate |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:48 PM |
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I beleive she was assured it would be.Becoming better informed requires effort. |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:49 PM |
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This bill is crap in so many ways BUT it opens the door for gov, involvement which |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:50 PM |
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can be expanded on later.SS bill was shit too when first passed. |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:52 PM |
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Say what you will but our legislators must feel the pressure of disappointment or they won't change |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:53 PM |
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Maybe if it said no men over 30 would be covered if subsidized that would be a |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:54 PM |
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deal breaker for you.Reform should not include condemnation of rights. |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:56 PM |
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It's not ins. reform when you tell people what procedures the gov.won't allow |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:57 PM |
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Take heart:Reconciliation is for budgetary issues only and Medicare is a budgetary program |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:58 PM |
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So Medicare for all can be passed using reconciliation which requires only 51 vote majority |
bjobotts |
Nov-10-09 03:59 PM |
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Talk about ignorance...WTF was that? |
Egnever |
Nov-12-09 02:43 AM |
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are you talking to yourself? |
Egnever |
Nov-12-09 02:44 AM |
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A) You're attacking the wrong person. |
intheflow |
Nov-10-09 04:05 PM |
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Please use the "message" body for your posts. |
DireStrike |
Nov-10-09 04:52 PM |
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I think you need to respect other people's personal stories too |
dsc |
Nov-09-09 05:24 PM |
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Did I ever say I don't support abortion rights? |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 05:36 PM |
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and health isn't covered |
dsc |
Nov-09-09 05:49 PM |
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A person who had an abortion might also need other health care later |
treestar |
Nov-11-09 03:00 PM |
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There is a difference between treating life and death illnesses |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-10-09 04:04 PM |
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what about sterility is that a good enough tradeoff |
dsc |
Nov-11-09 08:46 AM |
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Sterility is still better than death |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-11-09 09:55 AM |
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Planned Parenthood, NARAL and similar organizations |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-11-09 10:08 AM |
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I didn't want to say this but I will... |
kickysnana |
Nov-09-09 05:24 PM |
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Get what we can right now. |
cleveramerican |
Nov-09-09 05:25 PM |
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Mine too. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 05:44 PM |
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That's the only sane position. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-09-09 05:49 PM |
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Paul Krugman, Howard Dean, Alan Grayson, & Bernie Sanders agree with you. |
patrice |
Nov-09-09 09:54 PM |
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If you're saying that Bernie Sanders agrees that we need THIS Public Option you are wrong. |
bertman |
Nov-10-09 04:54 PM |
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Just wait once the Democrats control the House and have 60 votes in the Senate |
AllentownJake |
Nov-09-09 05:27 PM |
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you mean once liberals |
CTLawGuy |
Nov-10-09 05:39 AM |
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Hey, you left this behind.... |
MrMickeysMom |
Nov-10-09 03:22 PM |
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Explain your statement about "preexisting" conditions. |
FLyellowdog |
Nov-09-09 05:28 PM |
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She is saying that if people |
POAS |
Nov-09-09 05:36 PM |
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And yet, with no control over price, the insurance which covers those |
mbperrin |
Nov-09-09 06:45 PM |
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Hear hear....SINGLE PAYER ..or.. Bust . |
Garam_Masala |
Nov-09-09 07:02 PM |
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but the price to the patient will be limited because there will be a subsidy |
CreekDog |
Nov-09-09 10:18 PM |
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I think you're not dealing honestly. What is that fixed amount? |
mbperrin |
Nov-10-09 07:40 AM |
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I did the calculation on my family |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-10-09 04:06 PM |
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Can you provide the link to that calculation, please? |
mbperrin |
Nov-11-09 09:28 AM |
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It was posted in another thread here. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-11-09 09:56 AM |
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Here it is. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-11-09 10:22 AM |
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Thanks! I'm on my way over! |
mbperrin |
Nov-11-09 02:54 PM |
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It was clear that the bill would NOT pass in the House without |
prolesunited |
Nov-09-09 05:36 PM |
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If the bill is shot down and not passed then people with pre-existing conditions still suffer |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 05:38 PM |
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OK, I got it this time. Yes, that would be for certain. |
FLyellowdog |
Nov-09-09 05:52 PM |
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for 10 years the grantcarts have not been able to see a doctor |
grantcart |
Nov-09-09 07:55 PM |
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Thanks for sharing your personal story with us. I agree completely. K&R |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 05:44 PM |
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In the past day or so, teh stupids have crawled out from under their rocks. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-09-09 05:47 PM |
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Exactly. Keep your chin up Vabs! NT |
Clio the Leo |
Nov-09-09 05:52 PM |
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this amendment is a brilliant piece of strategery. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-09 05:49 PM |
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Vabrella, I am so sorry to hear your sad story |
demwing |
Nov-09-09 05:51 PM |
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That's what I'm hoping for. There are a few like me---my friends to be exact. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 06:56 PM |
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Damnit, You are making me cry! |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-09-09 05:54 PM |
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Don't cry. I get angry to the point of tears too when I hear people want to kill this bill. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 07:01 PM |
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Thanks Vaberella..for |
Cha |
Nov-09-09 05:59 PM |
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Hanging. My sister was dancing for joy when I told her the bill passed. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 06:51 PM |
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Going to help so many deserving people! |
Cha |
Nov-09-09 09:01 PM |
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I am in sympathy of your plight and of those that need urgent care now... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-09-09 06:02 PM |
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How are women going to die? |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 07:33 PM |
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this bill makes it very hard |
winyanstaz |
Nov-10-09 12:04 AM |
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Where are you getting your research/facts? |
AllTooEasy |
Nov-10-09 03:49 PM |
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Thank you for a dose of reality. n/t |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-10-09 04:08 PM |
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that's not the case everywhere in this country |
noiretextatique |
Nov-10-09 04:10 PM |
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You can't compare prostrate//testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage... |
AllTooEasy |
Nov-12-09 01:26 AM |
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You can't compare prostrate/testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage... |
AllTooEasy |
Nov-12-09 01:28 AM |
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You can't compare prostrate//testicular/etc cancer coverage to abortion coverage... |
AllTooEasy |
Nov-12-09 01:29 AM |
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vaberella, |
chill_wind |
Nov-09-09 06:33 PM |
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I hope not. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 06:59 PM |
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Excellent question. I have no idea. |
chill_wind |
Nov-09-09 07:16 PM |
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inside the echange |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 08:19 PM |
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Thanks Egnever. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 04:14 PM |
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I'm one of the people with pre-existing conditions. |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 06:41 PM |
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I see your point. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 07:05 PM |
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woa woa woa |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 07:39 PM |
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I did read it myself and many of the summaries. |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 07:48 PM |
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Wow well thats a pretty defeatist attitude you got there. |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 08:02 PM |
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I think it would be wonderful to put those restrictions in place. |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 08:40 PM |
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Maybe we can step back and try to discuss these one at a time. |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 09:38 PM |
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My statement is true because |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 10:45 PM |
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The protections are laws, not "practices." |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-10-09 04:27 PM |
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The regulator can kick the insurer out of the exchange. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-11-09 10:13 AM |
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I hear you. Please hear me. |
Laelth |
Nov-09-09 06:51 PM |
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Actually that's the thing with the bill. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 06:55 PM |
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The subsidies are wholly inadequate. |
Laelth |
Nov-09-09 07:04 PM |
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I totally agree with you |
char22 |
Nov-10-09 05:26 PM |
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Welcome to DU. |
Laelth |
Nov-10-09 08:51 PM |
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dumping this bill doesn't mean giving up |
optimator |
Nov-09-09 07:01 PM |
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We will not start all over again....... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-09-09 07:18 PM |
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You don't get it. We have a lot of issues to take care of. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 07:21 PM |
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I don't care what the name of the party in power is, I care what they do. |
pundaint |
Nov-10-09 03:46 PM |
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what makes you think so? |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 07:58 PM |
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Yes it does. It means exactly that. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-11-09 10:22 AM |
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My dearest vaberella |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 07:48 PM |
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Thanks Egnever, you're the best.. |
vaberella |
Nov-09-09 08:00 PM |
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"This place does not represent america." |
Number23 |
Nov-10-09 03:52 PM |
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it absolutely does reflect america...it's a microcosm |
noiretextatique |
Nov-10-09 04:16 PM |
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The "place" in question was DU. You think DU is too conservative? |
Number23 |
Nov-10-09 05:01 PM |
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yes |
noiretextatique |
Nov-10-09 05:15 PM |
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I will continue to fight for you |
dave29 |
Nov-09-09 09:26 PM |
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I really do wish you well.......... |
char22 |
Nov-10-09 05:41 PM |
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K&R |
HughMoran |
Nov-09-09 10:02 PM |
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K&R |
JTFrog |
Nov-10-09 06:01 AM |
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Shallow |
GeorgeGist |
Nov-10-09 08:13 AM |
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You are not alone, there are many just like you. |
watercolors |
Nov-10-09 08:17 AM |
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This argument is premature. This is not a final bill. Worrying that those against the Stupad amend |
rhett o rick |
Nov-10-09 03:20 PM |
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I'll be a bit clearer. |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 04:12 PM |
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With respect, you must develop a thicker skin. Ignore, ignore, ignore. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-10-09 06:45 PM |
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All the bills end exclusion based on preconditions. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-11-09 10:25 AM |
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This doesn't get you health care, just health "insurance." |
sam kane |
Nov-10-09 03:21 PM |
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There is plenty in the bill that forbid the insurance companies to treat you that way any more |
emulatorloo |
Nov-10-09 03:31 PM |
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Shall we abandon those who aren't served by this bill because you are? |
pundaint |
Nov-10-09 03:29 PM |
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38 Million are served by this bill, including me. Let me add also... |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 04:03 PM |
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This is a bad bill and we can do much better.... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-10-09 03:36 PM |
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vaberella - my heart goes out to you, you are solidly in my thoughts |
emulatorloo |
Nov-10-09 03:38 PM |
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Agreed and thanks for your consideration. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-10-09 04:17 PM |
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You are not alone.. |
Peacetrain |
Nov-10-09 04:15 PM |
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64 recs? I'm impressed. My similar post got ravaged. |
thesquanderer |
Nov-10-09 04:26 PM |
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General Discussion vs. GDP |
AllentownJake |
Nov-11-09 10:12 AM |
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good point |
Scruffy1 |
Nov-10-09 04:49 PM |
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I didn't want to reply but I will |
valerief |
Nov-10-09 05:03 PM |
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I'll respond to this. |
vaberella |
Nov-11-09 10:41 AM |
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Well, Congress is actually put in place by the corporate money that allows them |
valerief |
Nov-11-09 11:54 AM |
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I am for National Health CARE but not this...... |
char22 |
Nov-10-09 05:21 PM |
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I read your detailed and highly personal thread the other day. |
annabanana |
Nov-10-09 07:11 PM |
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BRA-FUCKING-VO!!! REC by proxy after 24hrs |
xultar |
Nov-11-09 10:06 AM |
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What good is "access to insurance" |
ProudDad |
Nov-11-09 12:31 PM |
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You need to read it or something |
treestar |
Nov-11-09 03:02 PM |
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You make a compelling argument. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-12-09 02:31 AM |
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Naughty doppelganger. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-12-09 02:31 AM |
#132 |
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