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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 02:30 PM
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59. Well, if thousands more people have to die
before we craft and have enough VOTES in Congress to pass the "perfect" bill, so be it. :eyes:

BTW, I'm a woman and have been with DU since the beginning, so don't bother calling me a misogynist or an interloper.

I loathe the Stupak amendment, but if we can't get it out before reform is enacted, I would rather have that than no reform.
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  -WHAT'S BETTER? 3962 with Stupak or NO bill at all? RoadRage  Nov-08-09 10:22 PM   #0 
  - This bill is unacceptable.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 10:24 PM   #1 
  - So, in your opinion it is worse then nothing? We'd be better of with No Healtcare plan at all?  RoadRage   Nov-08-09 10:29 PM   #2 
     - It reduces women to less than equal status under the law. Yes, it's worse than nothing.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 10:34 PM   #4 
        - How?  RoadRage   Nov-08-09 10:51 PM   #8 
        - Full coverage should mean full coverage for everyone, even women. This is a civil rights issue.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 10:55 PM   #10 
        - Let's say you choose the public option under this bill and you qualify for...  Hepburn   Nov-09-09 09:09 AM   #29 
        - I don't feel discriminated against by the bill but I do feel harmed  quiller4   Nov-09-09 01:53 PM   #50 
        - You are correct. No federal money goes to pay for abortions- that is the Hyde Amendment.  wisteria   Nov-09-09 03:12 PM   #63 
        - It makes us worse off than we were before?  treestar   Nov-08-09 10:52 PM   #9 
        - Legislating second class citizenry sets a terrible precedent. And, as has been noted in myriad  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 11:01 PM   #11 
        - That already existed under the Hyde amendment.  Zynx   Nov-08-09 11:16 PM   #14 
           - Stupak's amendment expands Hyde.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 11:27 PM   #17 
        - Separate but equal is inherently unequal. n/t  Hepburn   Nov-09-09 09:10 AM   #30 
        - it doesn't outlaw abortion. seriously, you'd kill reform over this?  dionysus   Nov-09-09 09:04 AM   #27 
           - You would tear down all those nice schools they built for the AA children under...  Hepburn   Nov-09-09 09:11 AM   #32 
              - thats a bullshit analogy. you really want to kill reform over the coverage of an elective procedure  dionysus   Nov-09-09 09:32 AM   #41 
  - This is a sad episode in DU history.  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 10:33 PM   #3 
  - I think some progressives need to sit on the  rwheeler31   Nov-08-09 10:36 PM   #5 
  - There are ideals and there is pragmatism, but one should not sell one's soul  Beacool   Nov-08-09 10:39 PM   #6 
  - Saving lives IS non-negotiable /nt  demwing   Nov-08-09 10:50 PM   #7 
  - In this case, the "life" being saved is a fetus. n/t  Hepburn   Nov-09-09 09:13 AM   #36 
     - it's not outlawing the procedure. and you know that. and abortions weren't covered before.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 09:34 AM   #43 
        - Agreed, No new law was made, no new restrictions were set  demwing   Nov-09-09 12:39 PM   #48 
  - Unless Hillary runs again right?  Egnever   Nov-09-09 01:48 AM   #19 
  - Of course I would vote for Hillary if she ran again.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 08:25 AM   #22 
     - Assuming for a moment that the amendment stays as is throught the  karynnj   Nov-09-09 09:11 AM   #33 
        - Hillary would be furiously making calls asking for the amendment to be removed.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 09:18 AM   #39 
           - Hillary was as much a triangulator as Bill Clinton  karynnj   Nov-09-09 10:20 AM   #44 
           - You are always so dismissive of Hillary.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 02:28 PM   #58 
              - That was not controversial and it was supported by everyone in the country  karynnj   Nov-09-09 04:34 PM   #67 
           - I doubt that very much. She is a pragmatic politician as is Pelosi  quiller4   Nov-09-09 01:55 PM   #51 
           - Hillary already failed at this. Or don't you recall?  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 02:11 PM   #54 
              - And you think that 1993 was the same as 2009???  Beacool   Nov-09-09 02:17 PM   #55 
                 - it's just funny seeing you tout her as the one who could get things done.  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 02:20 PM   #57 
                    - Frankly, I couldn't care less.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 02:31 PM   #60 
  - I prefer not to let one issue make my voting decisions for me..  RoadRage   Nov-09-09 07:39 AM   #20 
  - No one expected a perfect bill, there is no such animal.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 08:28 AM   #23 
     - You underestimate the first woman Speaker of the House. She only let the amendment be voted on so  jenmito   Nov-09-09 03:40 PM   #65 
  - +1  Hepburn   Nov-09-09 09:12 AM   #35 
  - Stupak will get stripped.  backscatter712   Nov-08-09 11:11 PM   #12 
  - Saying that 3962 is worse than the current health care system is irrational.  Zynx   Nov-08-09 11:14 PM   #13 
  - Yeah, i'm not seeing the logic either..  RoadRage   Nov-08-09 11:26 PM   #15 
  - Thank you for your sane comments  karynnj   Nov-09-09 09:33 AM   #42 
  - Yep.  Kaleva   Nov-09-09 10:50 AM   #45 
  - Well, if thousands more people have to die  prolesunited   Nov-09-09 02:30 PM   #59 
  - How about we pick our battles?  tinrobot   Nov-08-09 11:26 PM   #16 
  - Wasn't that the same excuse used around here when Obama voted on the FISA bill?  Beacool   Nov-09-09 08:24 AM   #21 
     - But now, we all LOVE the FISA bill!  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 09:03 AM   #26 
        - You're probably right.  Beacool   Nov-09-09 09:11 AM   #31 
           - Sadly.  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 09:29 AM   #40 
  - Here we go again Dems...shooting ourselves in the foot again.!  demosincebirth   Nov-08-09 11:37 PM   #18 
  - Actually your poll is fucked up.  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 09:02 AM   #24 
  - Yes, any serious poll should have more than just two false choices.  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 09:07 AM   #28 
     - Yes, we must not question "the one".  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 09:12 AM   #34 
        - It is really sick how many people here have become EXACTLY  ThomCat   Nov-09-09 09:13 AM   #37 
        - Yup, but we are "haters".  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 09:17 AM   #38 
        - "the one" ? I prefer plain old President Obama but then that is just me.  Jennicut   Nov-09-09 02:20 PM   #56 
           - whatever works for you.  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 03:41 PM   #66 
  - The amendment sucks and is horrible to women  Jennicut   Nov-09-09 09:03 AM   #25 
  - Abortion is still legal. It was a covered procedure in few states  quiller4   Nov-09-09 02:04 PM   #52 
  - This poll is unfair. n/t  Hutzpa   Nov-09-09 10:56 AM   #46 
  - The bill is false reform that rewards the criminal behavior of the insurance industry  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-09-09 10:57 AM   #47 
  - And what do you think we could do in the *next year*  prolesunited   Nov-09-09 02:34 PM   #61 
  - What would be better is to take him out in the next primary  depakid   Nov-09-09 01:09 PM   #49 
  - We should just accept and support the Stupak amendment.  PVnRT   Nov-09-09 02:09 PM   #53 
  - I think we need to get a bill passed and then introduce legislation later to revise this.  wisteria   Nov-09-09 03:05 PM   #62 
  - Better than nothing, but not much. This is a real lesson in the process of  old mark   Nov-09-09 03:34 PM   #64 
  - I voted no because don't we realize that we will  marlakay   Nov-09-09 04:45 PM   #68 
  - nicely expressed  Kurt_and_Hunter   Nov-09-09 04:46 PM   #69 
  - "enjoy your crumbs, peons"  optimator   Nov-09-09 05:40 PM   #70 

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