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Mon Nov-09-09 10:20 AM
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| 44. Hillary was as much a triangulator as Bill Clinton |
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Can you give me even one example of anything controversial she fought hard for as US Senator doing what you describe? The only fire and passion I ever saw from Hillary Clinton was in wanting to win the nomination. I assume what either Clinton or Obama will do is to try to get the language to result in not moving from the existing uneasy status quo. The fact is that 74% of abortions are paid out of pocket now. This is not making abortion illegal and I can't tell from the language if this will even change the percent paid now.
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| -WHAT'S BETTER? 3962 with Stupak or NO bill at all? |
RoadRage |
Nov-08-09 10:22 PM |
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This bill is unacceptable. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 10:24 PM |
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So, in your opinion it is worse then nothing? We'd be better of with No Healtcare plan at all? |
RoadRage |
Nov-08-09 10:29 PM |
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It reduces women to less than equal status under the law. Yes, it's worse than nothing. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 10:34 PM |
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How? |
RoadRage |
Nov-08-09 10:51 PM |
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Full coverage should mean full coverage for everyone, even women. This is a civil rights issue. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 10:55 PM |
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Let's say you choose the public option under this bill and you qualify for... |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:09 AM |
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I don't feel discriminated against by the bill but I do feel harmed |
quiller4 |
Nov-09-09 01:53 PM |
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You are correct. No federal money goes to pay for abortions- that is the Hyde Amendment. |
wisteria |
Nov-09-09 03:12 PM |
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It makes us worse off than we were before? |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 10:52 PM |
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Legislating second class citizenry sets a terrible precedent. And, as has been noted in myriad |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 11:01 PM |
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That already existed under the Hyde amendment. |
Zynx |
Nov-08-09 11:16 PM |
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Stupak's amendment expands Hyde. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 11:27 PM |
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Separate but equal is inherently unequal. n/t |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:10 AM |
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it doesn't outlaw abortion. seriously, you'd kill reform over this? |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 09:04 AM |
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You would tear down all those nice schools they built for the AA children under... |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:11 AM |
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thats a bullshit analogy. you really want to kill reform over the coverage of an elective procedure |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 09:32 AM |
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This is a sad episode in DU history. |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 10:33 PM |
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I think some progressives need to sit on the |
rwheeler31 |
Nov-08-09 10:36 PM |
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There are ideals and there is pragmatism, but one should not sell one's soul |
Beacool |
Nov-08-09 10:39 PM |
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Saving lives IS non-negotiable /nt |
demwing |
Nov-08-09 10:50 PM |
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In this case, the "life" being saved is a fetus. n/t |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:13 AM |
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it's not outlawing the procedure. and you know that. and abortions weren't covered before. |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 09:34 AM |
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Agreed, No new law was made, no new restrictions were set |
demwing |
Nov-09-09 12:39 PM |
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Unless Hillary runs again right? |
Egnever |
Nov-09-09 01:48 AM |
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Of course I would vote for Hillary if she ran again. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 08:25 AM |
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Assuming for a moment that the amendment stays as is throught the |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 09:11 AM |
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Hillary would be furiously making calls asking for the amendment to be removed. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 09:18 AM |
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Hillary was as much a triangulator as Bill Clinton |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 10:20 AM |
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You are always so dismissive of Hillary. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 02:28 PM |
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That was not controversial and it was supported by everyone in the country |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 04:34 PM |
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I doubt that very much. She is a pragmatic politician as is Pelosi |
quiller4 |
Nov-09-09 01:55 PM |
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Hillary already failed at this. Or don't you recall? |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 02:11 PM |
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And you think that 1993 was the same as 2009??? |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 02:17 PM |
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it's just funny seeing you tout her as the one who could get things done. |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 02:20 PM |
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Frankly, I couldn't care less. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 02:31 PM |
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I prefer not to let one issue make my voting decisions for me.. |
RoadRage |
Nov-09-09 07:39 AM |
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No one expected a perfect bill, there is no such animal. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 08:28 AM |
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You underestimate the first woman Speaker of the House. She only let the amendment be voted on so |
jenmito |
Nov-09-09 03:40 PM |
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+1 |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:12 AM |
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Stupak will get stripped. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-08-09 11:11 PM |
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Saying that 3962 is worse than the current health care system is irrational. |
Zynx |
Nov-08-09 11:14 PM |
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Yeah, i'm not seeing the logic either.. |
RoadRage |
Nov-08-09 11:26 PM |
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Thank you for your sane comments |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 09:33 AM |
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Yep. |
Kaleva |
Nov-09-09 10:50 AM |
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Well, if thousands more people have to die |
prolesunited |
Nov-09-09 02:30 PM |
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How about we pick our battles? |
tinrobot |
Nov-08-09 11:26 PM |
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Wasn't that the same excuse used around here when Obama voted on the FISA bill? |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 08:24 AM |
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But now, we all LOVE the FISA bill! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 09:03 AM |
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You're probably right. |
Beacool |
Nov-09-09 09:11 AM |
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Sadly. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 09:29 AM |
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Here we go again Dems...shooting ourselves in the foot again.! |
demosincebirth |
Nov-08-09 11:37 PM |
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Actually your poll is fucked up. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 09:02 AM |
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Yes, any serious poll should have more than just two false choices. |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 09:07 AM |
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Yes, we must not question "the one". |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 09:12 AM |
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It is really sick how many people here have become EXACTLY |
ThomCat |
Nov-09-09 09:13 AM |
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Yup, but we are "haters". |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 09:17 AM |
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"the one" ? I prefer plain old President Obama but then that is just me. |
Jennicut |
Nov-09-09 02:20 PM |
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whatever works for you. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 03:41 PM |
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The amendment sucks and is horrible to women |
Jennicut |
Nov-09-09 09:03 AM |
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Abortion is still legal. It was a covered procedure in few states |
quiller4 |
Nov-09-09 02:04 PM |
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This poll is unfair. n/t |
Hutzpa |
Nov-09-09 10:56 AM |
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The bill is false reform that rewards the criminal behavior of the insurance industry |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-09-09 10:57 AM |
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And what do you think we could do in the *next year* |
prolesunited |
Nov-09-09 02:34 PM |
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What would be better is to take him out in the next primary |
depakid |
Nov-09-09 01:09 PM |
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We should just accept and support the Stupak amendment. |
PVnRT |
Nov-09-09 02:09 PM |
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I think we need to get a bill passed and then introduce legislation later to revise this. |
wisteria |
Nov-09-09 03:05 PM |
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Better than nothing, but not much. This is a real lesson in the process of |
old mark |
Nov-09-09 03:34 PM |
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I voted no because don't we realize that we will |
marlakay |
Nov-09-09 04:45 PM |
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nicely expressed |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Nov-09-09 04:46 PM |
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"enjoy your crumbs, peons" |
optimator |
Nov-09-09 05:40 PM |
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