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And you know what, I do see why you might see things differently and that it's a complex issue wrought with passion on ALL sides. And if it's 100% about personal conviction, then have the guts to SAY that (not you, you just did). More importantly, if the desire really is to reduce the number of abortions, then WHY, in God's name, WHY didn't Stupak include a TON of assurances that full access to contraception and full women's wellness and prevention programs be included? This is what I don't get. At all. Not even a little. I started this thread yesterday after getting some knee-jerk "Not with *MY* money!!" responses and didn't really get many people really answering the question. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... In this thread, it was directed at a poster who has dismissed women's health care issues, accused me of lying, and repeatedly not answered a rather direct question. But, thanks for taking the time to answer... honestly.  |
| -NOW (National Organization for Women) releases statement on the House Health bill |
MarlaM |
Nov-08-09 07:38 PM |
#0 |
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K&R |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 07:40 PM |
#1 |
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A few votes? How about 64 Dems? That's not a 'few.' |
flpoljunkie |
Nov-09-09 07:25 AM |
#115 |
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64 sounds like a big number, until we realize that 192 Dems. voted against it |
MarlaM |
Nov-09-09 08:39 AM |
#125 |
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64 is a big number, any way you slice it. |
flpoljunkie |
Nov-09-09 03:18 PM |
#216 |
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K and R -- welcome to DU |
grantcart |
Nov-08-09 07:42 PM |
#2 |
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These corporate Dino sell-outs should be having tea with our arch-nemesis Kucinich |
Oregone |
Nov-08-09 07:42 PM |
#3 |
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our arch-nemesis Kucinich? K was my second choice for POTUS WAY ahead of Obama |
Vincardog |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#4 |
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Figures. Shouldn't you be out protesting the Afghan war and undermining the Democratic admin? |
Oregone |
Nov-08-09 07:49 PM |
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WTF are you going on about. Do you hate all liberals? |
Vincardog |
Nov-08-09 07:53 PM |
#9 |
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Easy there |
Oregone |
Nov-08-09 07:56 PM |
#13 |
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I hoped that was your intent |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 08:34 PM |
#47 |
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I like sweater vests |
crikkett |
Nov-09-09 01:04 PM |
#208 |
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Even Kucinich's awful hypothetical VP choice, Ron Paul, isn't my arch-nemesis |
skipos |
Nov-08-09 07:54 PM |
#11 |
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DK would never, ever have picked Ron Paul for VP |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-09-09 08:58 AM |
#127 |
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Actually, I spoke to Dennis directly about this... and he DID say it. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 09:19 AM |
#135 |
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Can you tell me what you think of the audio here: |
skipos |
Nov-09-09 10:14 AM |
#153 |
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Good I am glad they are speaking out on this. |
Kdillard |
Nov-08-09 07:49 PM |
#5 |
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The Catholic bishops were in the room with Pelosi et al, not NOW. It is too |
joeycola |
Nov-09-09 09:04 AM |
#128 |
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The bill pays for abortions where the mother's health is at risk or that were caused by rape/incest |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 07:50 PM |
#6 |
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Wow. I feel like I just fell into Freeperville! nt |
Diamonique |
Nov-08-09 07:53 PM |
#8 |
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Why? I am a liberal Obama supporter and have no problem with a woman's right to choose. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 07:58 PM |
#16 |
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Or contraception! |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:00 PM |
#19 |
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Why should taxpayers have to pay for contraception? nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:01 PM |
#22 |
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Um, maybe because it's an important part of women's health care? |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:05 PM |
#26 |
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Do you believe that condoms are an important part of men's health care? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:09 PM |
#31 |
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Absolutely. They prevent STDs in men. I have no problem with them being covered. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:14 PM |
#33 |
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Then shouldn't HCR cover alcohol hand rub since they prevent colds and flu? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:18 PM |
#35 |
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If those things prevented the spread of disease then yes. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:27 PM |
#41 |
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You think HCR should cover cold weather clothing and alcohol hand rub? Oy vay. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:33 PM |
#46 |
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And you think it shouldn't cover birth control. Oy Gevalt. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:36 PM |
#51 |
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No, I don't. But you still want HCR to pay for alcohol hand rub and everyone's winter clothing. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:41 PM |
#55 |
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If there's a sound medical reason for it, then yes. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:46 PM |
#60 |
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Good luck with including the Winter Clothing and Alcohol Hand Rub Amendment in conference, then. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:53 PM |
#63 |
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Good luck persuading your fellow progressives that not covering contraception is a good idea |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:59 PM |
#66 |
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I'm not interested in persuading anyone. People are entitled to their opinions. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:15 PM |
#71 |
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No, a bill will pass. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 09:21 PM |
#74 |
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I don't know if it will but I'm sure if you had your way, HCR wouldn't stand a chance. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:31 PM |
#76 |
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You don't know that at all. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 09:43 PM |
#81 |
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Uh huh. Sure. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:52 PM |
#83 |
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If the PO will cover my condoms, I am thrilled |
Garam_Masala |
Nov-09-09 09:27 PM |
#231 |
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I don't think it will but it would be great if it did, huh? |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-10-09 12:21 AM |
#234 |
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OOooo, I've got one!! |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:31 PM |
#45 |
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You're good at apples and oranges, aren't you? nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:34 PM |
#49 |
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Serious question. What is the primary reason you object so vehemently to Contraception and/or |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:41 PM |
#54 |
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It'll lead to health insurance being used to buy alcohol wipes and winter clothes for naked people. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:50 PM |
#62 |
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Yeah, you're serious about making strawman arguments and casting aspersions. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:56 PM |
#64 |
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Why won't you answer that question? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:59 PM |
#65 |
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I am not "vehemently" opposed "to contraception and/or abortion being included in HCR". |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:08 PM |
#68 |
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OK, now... one more time. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 09:42 AM |
#142 |
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its probably moral (ill take your bait) |
mkultra |
Nov-09-09 10:52 AM |
#171 |
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Perhaps. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 11:01 AM |
#174 |
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as far as contraception |
mkultra |
Nov-09-09 11:16 AM |
#177 |
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A fetus may be human (I think we can all agree it's not bovine or canine), |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 12:00 PM |
#189 |
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Natural born refers only to the President in the Constitution |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 12:17 PM |
#198 |
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There is another reference in the 14th Amendment. Here: |
CTyankee |
Nov-11-09 11:00 AM |
#250 |
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i think your confusing "person" with "citizen" |
mkultra |
Nov-11-09 01:26 PM |
#255 |
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I get your point but I can see a problem with "born." |
CTyankee |
Nov-11-09 07:50 PM |
#257 |
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well, what im saying about persons in reference to the constitution |
mkultra |
Nov-11-09 08:04 PM |
#258 |
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sorry, that argument lacks merit |
mkultra |
Nov-09-09 12:28 PM |
#204 |
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Its considerably better than the idea that a blastula deserves constitutional protection. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-09-09 04:02 PM |
#218 |
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You would be hard pressed to actually make that |
mkultra |
Nov-09-09 10:33 PM |
#232 |
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Your argument puts potential and actualization on equal footing. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-10-09 02:13 PM |
#237 |
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i am saying that |
mkultra |
Nov-10-09 04:48 PM |
#238 |
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By definition the egg was life before it was fertilized. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-10-09 07:50 PM |
#239 |
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the egg is life but not unique life |
mkultra |
Nov-10-09 10:13 PM |
#240 |
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Your uniqueness argument wouldn't extend to identical twins. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-10-09 11:50 PM |
#243 |
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twins do not have the same DNA |
mkultra |
Nov-11-09 08:09 AM |
#247 |
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Re: the birth issue. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-11-09 09:29 PM |
#259 |
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I think your definitions are FAR too subjective. Listen... |
msallied |
Nov-11-09 11:42 AM |
#251 |
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wow, I was trying to avoid that level of boldness |
mkultra |
Nov-11-09 01:22 PM |
#254 |
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Respectfully, your testimonial is completely subjective. |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-11-09 11:04 PM |
#261 |
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Tell you what. When you can buy several years of birth control pills from the clothing store for $20 |
harry_pothead |
Nov-08-09 11:21 PM |
#93 |
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Um, you missed the fact that I was being sarcastic. Maybe I should've used the sarcasm thingy. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 08:14 AM |
#122 |
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so says the man |
druidity33 |
Nov-09-09 06:11 AM |
#100 |
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It is beyond stupid, it is viciously, hatefully ignorant. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 06:31 AM |
#104 |
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What "is beyond stupid" and "is viciously, hatefully ignorant" is your attempt at demonization. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 08:10 AM |
#121 |
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You could call it mockery. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:30 AM |
#158 |
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No, I was replying to the DUer who insisted ANYTHING that prevents illness should be covered by HCR. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:29 AM |
#117 |
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you're the one who made the comparison |
druidity33 |
Nov-09-09 09:37 AM |
#140 |
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No, I was being New Yorker sarcastic, though some took me seriously. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:04 AM |
#151 |
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"Never mind! Just kidding!" |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:32 AM |
#159 |
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I wasn't speaking to you, but bitter is as bitter does, I guess. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:35 AM |
#162 |
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Gotcha then. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:37 AM |
#165 |
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Not at all, but I'm glad it makes you happy to think so. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:58 AM |
#173 |
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I'll tell you what - you get your fucking Stupak Amendment provided that |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 11:57 AM |
#186 |
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I'll tell you what - I believe the language will be removed in conference. See reply #181. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:03 PM |
#190 |
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Are you actually suggesting condoms should NOT be covered? |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 06:29 AM |
#102 |
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I know. It's like performance art, right? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 06:31 AM |
#103 |
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Do you think these posts are even serious? |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 06:37 AM |
#107 |
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Sadly, yes. I think he's dead serious. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 06:40 AM |
#108 |
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It's so weird. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 07:13 AM |
#109 |
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"Controversies like this" bring out those who demonize anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with NOW. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 08:15 AM |
#123 |
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Do you have a job or something? |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:29 AM |
#156 |
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Lately I have found the Ignore option to be invaluable. Saves lots of time trying to figure |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-09-09 06:41 PM |
#225 |
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As opposed to the majority of your posts on Pres. Obama since you arrived here? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 08:18 AM |
#124 |
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Yes they are |
TheBigotBasher |
Nov-09-09 07:56 PM |
#230 |
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Contraception is an important part of women's AND men's health care. |
harry_pothead |
Nov-08-09 11:48 PM |
#94 |
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Um, to prevent unwanted pregnancies? |
flpoljunkie |
Nov-09-09 07:21 AM |
#112 |
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Um.... You seem to be totally confused. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:05 PM |
#27 |
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No goddamn alcohol or drug treatment, that's for sure. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:07 PM |
#29 |
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No, I'm quite clearheaded on this issue, thank you. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:13 PM |
#32 |
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No you're not clear-headed on this issue at all. |
Diamonique |
Nov-09-09 06:24 AM |
#101 |
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So says you. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 08:05 AM |
#119 |
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And this one speaks for me. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 08:08 AM |
#120 |
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Thanks for sharing. It's been nice to differ in opinion without you cursing my POV. Oh, wait... |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:15 AM |
#132 |
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Anyone who puts abortion in the same category with "elective breast enhancements, face lifts and |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 09:35 AM |
#139 |
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That's ELECTIVE abortion, not all abortions. And they are not "in the same category". |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:50 AM |
#144 |
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Ha!!! You're calling ME an "Obama-hating DUer"? |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 09:52 AM |
#145 |
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I didn't say that about YOU. If you feel the label resonates, then that's your problem. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:55 AM |
#147 |
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You just keep on keepin' on, ClarkUSA. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 10:00 AM |
#150 |
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Nikki, you are just awesome. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:33 AM |
#161 |
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awww... thanks. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 12:52 PM |
#207 |
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Kinda like Senator Kyl saying he didn't think |
waiting for hope |
Nov-09-09 07:52 PM |
#228 |
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Well, if you don't like the idea of paying for abortions |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-08-09 08:44 PM |
#57 |
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Because so many of them don't want to pay for schools |
havocmom |
Nov-09-09 09:08 AM |
#129 |
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Wow |
Neecy |
Nov-09-09 09:40 AM |
#141 |
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No, they are not. I disagree with taxpayer-funded Viagra. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:53 AM |
#146 |
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Yeah, that one really causes me to lose sleep too. nt. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:36 AM |
#164 |
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Why should taxpayers have to pay for Viagra? |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 11:54 AM |
#185 |
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They shouldn't. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:11 PM |
#193 |
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Why not throw men's right to have care for prostate cancer under the bus? |
winyanstaz |
Nov-09-09 05:54 PM |
#224 |
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By your logic, taxpayers shouldn't pay for anything tied to personal choices |
Lorien |
Nov-10-09 10:54 PM |
#242 |
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Nice, huh? This is the face of the DFLA. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:01 PM |
#23 |
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Bullshit. I'm pro-choice but I'm not sold on the necessity for HCR to pay for elective abortions or |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:06 PM |
#28 |
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Okay, we'll let abortion go for a second. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:08 PM |
#30 |
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See Reply #22 subthread. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:15 PM |
#34 |
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Does your insurance now pay for contraception? |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 12:11 PM |
#194 |
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Honey, they payed for my tubal ligation and I don't have any kids. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-09-09 02:22 PM |
#212 |
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Why the hell should taxpayers then be forced to pay for treatment of |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 11:53 AM |
#184 |
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I agree with you. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:22 PM |
#202 |
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Truly. nt |
Lorien |
Nov-10-09 10:50 PM |
#241 |
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what about the practice |
CTLawGuy |
Nov-08-09 07:54 PM |
#10 |
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That's a good thing. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:25 PM |
#39 |
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Here is the kicker: |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 07:55 PM |
#12 |
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Unless they purchase special rider |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 07:59 PM |
#17 |
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They can buy supplemental insurance. or go to Planned Parenthood like my friends did. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:19 PM |
#37 |
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Yay for your friends. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:34 PM |
#48 |
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Name calling? Tsk tsk. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:37 PM |
#52 |
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Not everyone has a Planned Parenthood nearby |
Neecy |
Nov-09-09 09:47 AM |
#143 |
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Life isn't perfect or fair and neither is the HCR House bill. But it's not the end product. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:51 AM |
#170 |
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They should go to Planned Parenthood where they can risk being stalked or bombed????? |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 12:05 PM |
#191 |
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You think that only happens at Planned Parenthood? |
msallied |
Nov-11-09 12:01 PM |
#253 |
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It won't be much different than things stand now. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 02:47 PM |
#214 |
| -
Shorter ClarkUSA: |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 07:57 PM |
#15 |
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What a foolish deduction. Bet you got an F in Logic class at university... |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:00 PM |
#20 |
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Dude, you've already revealed yourself here. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-08-09 08:02 PM |
#24 |
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I don't think it's an HCR deal breaker if taxpayers aren't required to pay for elective abortions... |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:24 PM |
#38 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 08:37 PM |
#53 |
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Name calling from you, too? Tsk tsk. Gimme a fucking break. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:44 PM |
#58 |
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Do any of your "women friends" have functioning ovaries anymore? -eom |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 09:38 PM |
#79 |
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lol! Lemme ask them and get back to you later, okay? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:55 PM |
#85 |
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You do that. If not, they have about as much stake in this as you do. -eom |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 09:57 PM |
#86 |
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Only those with "functioning ovaries" need apply, eh? Better tell that to NOW's BoD. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 10:06 PM |
#89 |
| -
YOU are the one that made your "women friends" a source on the issue. |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 11:02 PM |
#92 |
| -
They are probably "imaginary" friends. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 06:34 AM |
#105 |
| -
Don't you have an Obama-hating OP that you forgot to K&R, Bitter One? nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:18 AM |
#111 |
| -
Good morning officer! |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 07:21 AM |
#113 |
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lol! That's right, I did, but you're the one who came up with the BS question re: their "ovaries" |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:14 AM |
#110 |
| -
Typical "hysterical" feminists, eh officer? |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 07:24 AM |
#114 |
| -
Classy as always. I guess you're done reccing and kicking all the Obama-hating OPs? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:40 AM |
#118 |
| -
Well, I won't be kicking the anti-women's rights ones... |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 09:57 AM |
# |
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I also hope you don't create ridiculously demonizing strawman arguments, either. Oops, too late! |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:24 AM |
#154 |
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No strawman here. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:28 AM |
#155 |
| -
Bullshit. Provide links and precise quotes to prove your allegations, then. I'll be waiting. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:33 AM |
#160 |
| -
Tell ya what Clarkie... |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:35 AM |
#163 |
| -
lol! You have nothing, eh? Thought so. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:39 AM |
#167 |
| -
No, I have read your posts against contraception coverage.nt. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:45 AM |
#168 |
| -
Wrong again. I just don't see it as a HCR deal breaker if men have to buy their own condoms. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:55 AM |
#172 |
| -
I'd love to know what COULD be a "deal-breaker" for you |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 11:15 AM |
#176 |
| -
Pre-existing conditions and caps would be deal breakers for me. The House HCR bill got rid of both. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 11:35 AM |
#180 |
| -
Oh give it a rest. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 03:12 PM |
#215 |
| -
Are you even aware that birth control consists of a hell of a lot more than condoms??? |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 12:12 PM |
#196 |
| -
Patronize/demonize much? See reply #181. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:19 PM |
#199 |
| -
Why WOULDN'T I demonize someone who doesn't want a major portion of |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 12:22 PM |
#201 |
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You need to read my replies before (falsely) accusing me of being "suspiciously silent". |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:28 PM |
#203 |
| -
"why does NOW feel it is necessary for taxpayers to pay for elective abortions" |
Oregone |
Nov-08-09 07:59 PM |
#18 |
| -
Good answer. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-08-09 08:00 PM |
#21 |
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NOW if that were their reasoning, I could get behind it... |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:27 PM |
#40 |
| -
Exactly, there is no change on the government's role in this question |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 08:31 PM |
#44 |
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I agree. You summed it up succinctly. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:48 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-08-09 08:35 PM |
#50 |
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Thank you for a voice of sanity. As pro-choice as I am, I fail to see |
SPedigrees |
Nov-08-09 09:17 PM |
#73 |
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I agree and understand what you're saying completely. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 09:45 PM |
#82 |
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Thanks for the agreement. Now let's hope that a decent plan passes the Senate |
SPedigrees |
Nov-08-09 09:54 PM |
#84 |
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Definitely... |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 10:02 PM |
#87 |
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So yours was covered when you needed it |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-09-09 09:08 AM |
#130 |
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That's not true. Women can buy supplemental insurance to cover abortion services. Link, quote --> |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 10:29 AM |
#157 |
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Abortions are medical procedures that insurance should |
lovelyrita |
Nov-09-09 05:07 AM |
#99 |
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Ms.goclark agrees with you |
goclark |
Nov-09-09 09:18 AM |
#134 |
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Thanks for your support and your perspective, Ms. goclark. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 11:09 AM |
#175 |
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I would say it is not a tear jerker ~ it is profound Food For Thought |
goclark |
Nov-09-09 11:59 AM |
#187 |
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Great. I'll be going this week, then. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:06 PM |
#192 |
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Guess over in Freeperville nobody has ever experienced a birth |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 11:48 AM |
#183 |
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Are you accusing me of being a freeper? nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:00 PM |
#188 |
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WEll, let's just say your opinions on women's health are distinctly undemocratic. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 12:14 PM |
#197 |
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dupe - self-delete nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:29 PM |
#205 |
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Hmm. Are the folks who have agreed with me on this & other threads also "distinctly undemocratic"? |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:32 PM |
#206 |
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Hell, why stop there? |
snake in the grass |
Nov-11-09 03:44 AM |
#245 |
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it's a slippery slope downward |
handmade34 |
Nov-08-09 07:51 PM |
#7 |
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There's something I don't quite understand. I looked up Planned |
napi21 |
Nov-08-09 07:57 PM |
#14 |
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Planned Parenthood is a great resource for those seeking abortions and contraceptives. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 08:31 PM |
#43 |
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Not all states have a planned parenthood clinic that |
cornermouse |
Nov-09-09 04:07 AM |
#98 |
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Bullshit. Give me an example where I've been "steadfastly opposing women's rights." |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:24 AM |
#136 |
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This entire thread and several others that I've observed over the last couple of days. |
cornermouse |
Nov-09-09 04:03 PM |
#219 |
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PP consists of different corporations. The corp that does surgical procedures does NOT receive fed |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 09:13 PM |
#69 |
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KNR...thank you and welcome to the DU....n/t |
Hepburn |
Nov-08-09 08:03 PM |
#25 |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Nov-08-09 08:18 PM |
#36 |
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The health care plan didn't exist before |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 08:30 PM |
#42 |
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I believe this amendment goes further than existing law |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 08:42 PM |
#56 |
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Thank you for that informative response which is not overemotional and attacking |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 08:44 PM |
#59 |
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On, I can get pretty emotional about it - |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 09:04 PM |
#67 |
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Yup. 90% of all health ins plans in the US cover abortion svcs. -eom |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 09:15 PM |
#72 |
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So does this amendment remove that possibility |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 09:37 PM |
#78 |
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That is exactly correct. -eom |
Justitia |
Nov-08-09 09:39 PM |
#80 |
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You're wrong. Women can buy supplemental insurance to cover abortion services. Link, quote --> |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:31 AM |
#137 |
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IF they can afford it, and IF it is offered in their sate. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 10:39 AM |
#166 |
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IF Stupak amendment is taken out in conference, THEN you'll have to find another topic to rage about |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 11:20 AM |
#178 |
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The blue dogs and Repugs saw a perfect opening--that is what you refuse to get! This |
joeycola |
Nov-09-09 12:11 PM |
#195 |
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I "get" more than you think. See reply #181. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 12:21 PM |
#200 |
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BTW-Obama agrees. The House language goes TOO far. |
joeycola |
Nov-09-09 05:51 PM |
#222 |
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No it doesn't. Someone is fibbing to you or is ignorant of the facts. Link, quote --> |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 09:33 AM |
#138 |
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goodie goodie. Women will have to pay extra for health care once again!! |
joeycola |
Nov-09-09 05:36 PM |
#220 |
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"once again"? It's no different than what women have to do now. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:50 PM |
#227 |
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. |
izzybeans |
Nov-09-09 10:05 AM |
#152 |
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I disagree, it does not go much further. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 02:12 PM |
#210 |
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No, this goes beyond Hyde |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-09-09 11:31 AM |
#179 |
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Than you for putting my thoughts so eloquently. |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-09-09 11:46 AM |
#182 |
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I disagree, it does not go much further. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 02:12 PM |
#209 |
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What about the women who pay full price either on their own or through their employers |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-09-09 02:20 PM |
#211 |
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How is it going to be any different than things stand now? FYI, only 2% of women per year have one. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 02:29 PM |
#213 |
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*Prevent low-income women from accessing abortion entirely, in many cases. |
Beacool |
Nov-08-09 09:15 PM |
#70 |
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K & R and welcome to Democratic Underground |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-09 09:23 PM |
#75 |
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It'll likely be taken out. n/t |
jenmito |
Nov-08-09 09:34 PM |
#77 |
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Would there be grounds to challenge the Stupak Amendment in court? |
nemo137 |
Nov-08-09 10:05 PM |
#88 |
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I don't understand how it could possibly be constitutional both because of the gender discrimination |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 11:53 PM |
#95 |
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Heath care reform by depriving women of their fundamental right to reproductive freedom. |
wisteria |
Nov-08-09 10:06 PM |
#90 |
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K&R |
Eyerish |
Nov-08-09 10:13 PM |
#91 |
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K&R |
Mithreal |
Nov-09-09 03:24 AM |
#96 |
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K&R |
Vidar |
Nov-09-09 04:00 AM |
#97 |
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Kicked and rec'd. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-09-09 06:35 AM |
#106 |
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Everyone wants an all inclusive party. This is one of the downsides to it |
Thrill |
Nov-09-09 07:27 AM |
#116 |
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A downside for those who feel compelled to play with them |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-09-09 08:54 AM |
#126 |
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If you want majorities in both houses this is how its going to be |
Thrill |
Nov-09-09 09:09 AM |
#131 |
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What good is a majority to me? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-09-09 09:17 AM |
#133 |
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The Pro Choice movement lost majority public support |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-09-09 09:57 AM |
#148 |
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Is this the text of the amendment? |
izzybeans |
Nov-09-09 09:59 AM |
#149 |
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yes /nt |
demwing |
Nov-11-09 06:14 AM |
#246 |
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Republicans HATE WOMEN! |
paparush |
Nov-09-09 10:50 AM |
#169 |
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They wanted to kill the bill's chances of ever going forward to conference. They failed. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 11:45 AM |
#181 |
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Those few votes were necessary, and sometimes tough choices have to be made. n/t |
wisteria |
Nov-09-09 03:20 PM |
#217 |
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women will DIE because of those "tough choices". you are so happy to make..... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-09-09 05:52 PM |
#223 |
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How is it going to be any different than things stand now? FYI, only 2% of women per year have one. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-09-09 07:54 PM |
#229 |
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and for dang good reason.... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-10-09 12:05 AM |
#233 |
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How many women will die if nothing is done? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Nov-11-09 11:53 AM |
#252 |
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We must stand up and be heard loud and clear on this..... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-09-09 05:45 PM |
#221 |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-09-09 07:44 PM |
#226 |
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... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Nov-10-09 09:26 AM |
#235 |
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.... |
joeycola |
Nov-10-09 09:32 AM |
#236 |
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NOW is wrong |
demwing |
Nov-11-09 12:40 AM |
#244 |
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you have put a lot of work into this |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Nov-11-09 10:38 AM |
#248 |
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The Haters/Whiners who are clueless re: Stupak should all read demwing's factual analysis. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-11-09 10:50 AM |
#249 |
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some people value the truth, |
Dr Robert |
Nov-11-09 01:30 PM |
#256 |
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I don't know why - I guess it's because I believe we have the truth on our side |
demwing |
Nov-11-09 11:07 PM |
#262 |
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Thank-You |
RoadRage |
Nov-11-09 09:44 PM |
#260 |
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