| 37. Not perfect, but a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE progress |
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I find Dems who object the most important social legislation of the past 45 years, out of purity reasons, to be quite pathetic.
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| -Let's see where DU really stands. Rec if you are happy that the House passed Health Care Reform |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 01:26 PM |
#0 |
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Not ideal, but an ADVANCE. A good START. SUPPORT IT ! |
RBInMaine |
Nov-08-09 01:28 PM |
#1 |
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You will get net recs because most here will hold their nose and accept the bill |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 02:11 PM |
#19 |
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It's not half of the party. Far from it |
impik |
Nov-08-09 03:44 PM |
#39 |
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you are not even close to half of the Party. but nice attempt to spin. |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 05:25 PM |
#47 |
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We really don't if it's better than nothing |
Scairp |
Nov-08-09 11:57 PM |
#92 |
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Then I'm missing something as well. |
xxqqqzme |
Nov-09-09 12:20 PM |
#174 |
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Well put. |
zoff |
Nov-09-09 02:10 AM |
#114 |
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Tell me honestly |
Chulanowa |
Nov-09-09 05:13 AM |
#120 |
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As long as they use it |
PSzymeczek |
Nov-08-09 05:52 PM |
#53 |
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We are only allowed to have so much but all we did was get the door open on HC reform |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:30 AM |
#100 |
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The people pressured congress to disobey the corporatocracy-oh my. |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:32 AM |
#101 |
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Why is it we always come down to the majority saying "It's better than nothing at all" |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:34 AM |
#102 |
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What was revealed by this issue more than anything is how bribed and bought our senate really is |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:35 AM |
#103 |
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It revealed something almost more important than that. |
Ineeda |
Nov-09-09 04:54 AM |
#118 |
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I wish I could rec your post |
renate |
Nov-09-09 10:57 AM |
#163 |
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I think you're the rightest so far. |
liberalmike27 |
Nov-09-09 02:10 PM |
#189 |
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Let's just see what it looks like when it emerges from conference. |
cali |
Nov-08-09 01:29 PM |
#2 |
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That's kind of the problem that we face though... |
Norquist Nemesis |
Nov-09-09 02:47 AM |
#116 |
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K + R I am glad to at least be "on the yellow-brick road". |
patrice |
Nov-08-09 01:32 PM |
#3 |
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A Good Start |
dtotire |
Nov-08-09 01:56 PM |
#15 |
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Exactly.......... |
SergeStorms |
Nov-09-09 04:16 AM |
#117 |
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I'd rather be on the yellow brick road than be a Bagger |
goclark |
Nov-08-09 10:43 PM |
#77 |
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Yeah, piss yellow. This bill is shit. Look back to 1965 when the.......... |
pattmarty |
Nov-09-09 07:45 AM |
#134 |
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It's better than any of us were expecting just a couple of months ago |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 01:32 PM |
#4 |
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If you expected so little why did you vote for them? |
pundaint |
Nov-08-09 10:09 PM |
#71 |
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Raises hand. nt |
quiet.american |
Nov-08-09 01:34 PM |
#5 |
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Why does one either have to be happy about it, or oppose it? |
rucky |
Nov-08-09 01:34 PM |
#6 |
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how about we let the recs determine if the majority is happy or not? |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 01:41 PM |
#9 |
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How do you count the ones who don't rec or unrec? |
rucky |
Nov-08-09 01:46 PM |
#11 |
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If the recs remain above zero, then the majority are happy |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 01:52 PM |
#13 |
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Oh, yes, the populist recometer will tell all .. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 02:14 PM |
#20 |
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it's really very simple. |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 02:33 PM |
#24 |
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It's Really Very Simple Minded .... |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 02:27 AM |
#115 |
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I agree with you. |
Plucketeer |
Nov-09-09 10:32 AM |
#160 |
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The way you paint the unrec side doesn't apply. |
rucky |
Nov-08-09 02:15 PM |
#22 |
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this will do fine. will you be convinced that the majority are happy when this hits the Front Page? |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 02:35 PM |
#25 |
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By that meter a majority are already unhappy. Opinions are more nuanced. This is a little simplistic |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 02:40 PM |
#26 |
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And thats what you are hoping for isn't |
JANdad |
Nov-09-09 05:21 AM |
#121 |
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This will not do! You are showing an alarming propensity toward independent thought! nt |
Atticus |
Nov-08-09 10:07 PM |
#70 |
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Well, I don't believe in the unrec function here at DU. I will give my opinion and take |
CTyankee |
Nov-08-09 03:29 PM |
#34 |
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I'm with you on most of your points. |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 05:45 PM |
#52 |
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Thank you for explaining your opposition to various parts of the bill. |
CTyankee |
Nov-08-09 06:36 PM |
#56 |
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I'm happy about it so that's +1 |
goclark |
Nov-08-09 09:55 PM |
#66 |
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It's a start and I support it. |
tandot |
Nov-08-09 01:35 PM |
#7 |
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I'm happy. |
silverweb |
Nov-08-09 01:36 PM |
#8 |
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Baby steps |
Turbineguy |
Nov-08-09 01:44 PM |
#10 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 01:51 PM |
#12 |
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The Bill passed the House. We are the winners. The Sore Losers are those throwing the fits. |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 01:54 PM |
#14 |
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I rec'd and wanted to give you a post to compliment my rec---since rec's can be downgraded. |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 01:59 PM |
#16 |
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So can unrecs. They are functionally equivalent votes. n/t |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-09-09 08:13 AM |
#139 |
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I would be happy if they had passed real reform... |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 02:01 PM |
#17 |
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millions of uninsured will get coverage |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 02:14 PM |
#21 |
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Of course I don't oppose uninsured people getting coverage, I support coverage for all Americans |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 02:31 PM |
#23 |
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you have liability Car Insurance, don't you? |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 03:22 PM |
#32 |
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I can choose to not own a car, but I can not choose to live without a body. |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 03:31 PM |
#35 |
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thus, you should get insurance on it. neither car repair or medical care are free |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 03:43 PM |
#38 |
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I have health insurance, but I don't know if it will be there when I need it. |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 03:55 PM |
#41 |
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a Public Option where everyone can participate is Single payer |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 05:24 PM |
#46 |
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Soon. soon...the door has been opened but we must keep the pressure on to expand coverage. |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:46 AM |
#107 |
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It's the senate who will try to kill the public option just so it shuts the door. |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:47 AM |
#108 |
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This is what Lieberman has been called upon to do.Keep gov. involvement out of the bill |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:48 AM |
#109 |
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btw, trying to take a survery by recs is petty and trite and hardly conclusive of anything |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:51 AM |
#111 |
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Say what you gotta' say and observe the recs but don't use it to manipulate opinion |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:53 AM |
#112 |
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That is not true or honest ! |
galloglas |
Nov-09-09 12:21 PM |
#176 |
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Exactly, ignore the false options |
pundaint |
Nov-08-09 10:29 PM |
#73 |
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bought and paid for |
Skittles |
Nov-09-09 12:00 AM |
#93 |
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K&R |
mecherosegarden |
Nov-09-09 07:41 AM |
#133 |
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Don't try and reason with the OP... |
Prana69 |
Nov-08-09 11:35 PM |
#87 |
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We vs Them .... |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 01:45 AM |
#105 |
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I've never wavered. |
LWolf |
Nov-08-09 02:05 PM |
#18 |
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This is me being happy last night |
demwing |
Nov-08-09 02:42 PM |
#27 |
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Happy but not delirious |
PATRICK |
Nov-08-09 02:48 PM |
#28 |
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I think it's worthwhile, so I gave you a rec. |
burning rain |
Nov-08-09 03:00 PM |
#29 |
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I have reservations but happier now than if it had been killed altogether |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-08-09 03:15 PM |
#30 |
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-1 |
KansasVoter |
Nov-08-09 03:21 PM |
#31 |
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Wouldn't a poll give you a better idea of the results? |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-08-09 03:22 PM |
#33 |
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I think these results are conclusive. |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 03:34 PM |
#36 |
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Not perfect, but a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE progress |
impik |
Nov-08-09 03:42 PM |
#37 |
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Well said. This is history in the making, folks! Proudly K&R'd |
ObamaKerryDem |
Nov-08-09 03:59 PM |
#42 |
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Something to build on, definitely |
Iwillnevergiveup |
Nov-08-09 03:48 PM |
#40 |
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Bill Clinton. NAFTA. nt |
noamnety |
Nov-08-09 04:08 PM |
#43 |
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needs some tweaks, but it's got the fundamentals reforms that have broad consensus |
BREMPRO |
Nov-08-09 04:54 PM |
#44 |
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kick |
BREMPRO |
Nov-08-09 05:12 PM |
#45 |
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Basic first step. And it needs to get past the Senate and the final vote too. |
Jennicut |
Nov-08-09 05:26 PM |
#48 |
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k&r |
cry baby |
Nov-08-09 05:30 PM |
#49 |
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Very reluctantly |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-08-09 05:32 PM |
#50 |
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It is a start. We will get Single Payer eventually. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-08-09 05:35 PM |
#51 |
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sigh! i guess it's better than nothing or a Republican bill. |
shireen |
Nov-08-09 05:52 PM |
#54 |
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k&u. ridiculous. |
inna |
Nov-08-09 05:59 PM |
#55 |
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Just checking in to see how the turd-polishing is coming along. n/t |
rucky |
Nov-08-09 06:51 PM |
#57 |
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your limited perspective will not sully this accomplishment |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 09:33 PM |
#64 |
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'turd-polishing' |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-09-09 12:49 PM |
#180 |
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welcome to US government 101 |
CTLawGuy |
Nov-08-09 07:46 PM |
#58 |
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Yes I'm happy it passed. |
donheld |
Nov-08-09 08:44 PM |
#59 |
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I'm happy it passed - still a lot of work to do, but it's a start! |
Avalux |
Nov-08-09 08:46 PM |
#60 |
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Removing anti-trust exemption for health care providers |
neuvocat |
Nov-08-09 08:48 PM |
#62 |
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K&R. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-08-09 08:47 PM |
#61 |
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Good start. Very happy. |
felinetta |
Nov-08-09 09:04 PM |
#63 |
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It is not a signed bill... |
Guilded Lilly |
Nov-08-09 09:40 PM |
#65 |
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It's a start. A start that would have never happened under a repug administration |
groundloop |
Nov-08-09 09:59 PM |
#67 |
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90 unrecs |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 10:04 PM |
#68 |
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It's the health/bank industry loving Dems like Obama who have no moral center. |
katandmoon |
Nov-08-09 10:21 PM |
#72 |
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yet still at the top of the homepage. there are more of us than there are of them |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 10:52 PM |
#78 |
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But why would anybody vengefully unrec a post about something better than expected |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 11:02 PM |
#81 |
| -
spite. they have invested themselves in opposition and find it hard to give up |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 11:08 PM |
#84 |
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They split DU in two over this |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 11:27 PM |
#86 |
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Your self-imposed exile must be blissful. |
Prana69 |
Nov-08-09 11:46 PM |
#89 |
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I've been reading their tripe for many years |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 11:52 PM |
#91 |
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Same here.... |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 01:51 AM |
#110 |
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We have an unrec troll who does it every night to every item on DU so I rec them all afterward |
bjobotts |
Nov-09-09 01:37 AM |
#104 |
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A first step. Rec'd |
Kaleva |
Nov-08-09 10:06 PM |
#69 |
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Mandates to buy private insurance but no regulation of premiums they charge me |
SandWalker1984 |
Nov-08-09 10:33 PM |
#74 |
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^ITA with 74]^ n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-08-09 11:00 PM |
#80 |
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I'm with you |
newspeak |
Nov-09-09 01:38 PM |
#183 |
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the retaliation for pearl harbor wasn't ideal, but it was a start... n/t |
PatrynXX |
Nov-08-09 10:42 PM |
#75 |
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good start and hopefully abortion amendment is out later |
ind_thinker2 |
Nov-08-09 10:43 PM |
#76 |
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The abortion amendment will NEVER be taken out, |
katandmoon |
Nov-08-09 10:54 PM |
#79 |
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Unrec'd. It's a lousy bill with a snowball's chance. |
Daemonaquila |
Nov-08-09 11:05 PM |
#82 |
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Sorry cant get excited about the HOR passing by 3 votes a weak bill that will only get weaker in the |
rhett o rick |
Nov-08-09 11:06 PM |
#83 |
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If by Health Care Reform you mean Health Care Reform then there's a problem with |
hulka38 |
Nov-08-09 11:11 PM |
#85 |
| -
Bottom line: |
Bette Noir |
Nov-08-09 11:40 PM |
#88 |
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Thank you so much for sharing. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-09-09 06:15 AM |
#124 |
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Healthcare reform has to go through |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Nov-08-09 11:49 PM |
#90 |
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Mixed, for those it helps, kick |
Mithreal |
Nov-09-09 12:21 AM |
#94 |
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very happy |
seattle_blue |
Nov-09-09 12:32 AM |
#95 |
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Negs |
d_b |
Nov-09-09 12:54 AM |
#96 |
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I see it as a way forward, seriously didn't think we'd get this far. |
mackerel |
Nov-09-09 01:01 AM |
#97 |
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maybe it's a way forward |
d_b |
Nov-09-09 01:10 AM |
#98 |
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IF YOU'RE HAPPY AND YOU KNOW IT CLAP YOUR HANDS !! |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 01:26 AM |
#99 |
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Have no doubts it will pass the Senate? |
AntiFascist |
Nov-09-09 01:45 AM |
#106 |
| -
Two schools of thought ... |
zoff |
Nov-09-09 01:56 AM |
#113 |
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Unrec for another meaningless, cheerleading thread (nt) |
IrateCitizen |
Nov-09-09 05:09 AM |
#119 |
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K&R..... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Nov-09-09 05:49 AM |
#122 |
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not meaningless. in fact, it proves the exact point I intended |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 12:06 PM |
#168 |
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It's got to be better than what the Senate has in mind! |
DailyGrind51 |
Nov-09-09 06:03 AM |
#123 |
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K&R - It's far from perfect, but it's progress |
rox63 |
Nov-09-09 06:25 AM |
#125 |
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And Half A Crumb? |
timzi |
Nov-09-09 07:28 AM |
#131 |
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Considering the toxic times we live it will do. |
gordianot |
Nov-09-09 06:35 AM |
#126 |
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Wow +208!! You would never know it from reading the most of the posts on DU lately. |
DCBob |
Nov-09-09 06:37 AM |
#127 |
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LOL - Nixon's Old "Silent Majority" - |
timzi |
Nov-09-09 07:01 AM |
#128 |
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Status Quo! Status Quo! Status Quo! USA! USA ! USA! USA! |
rgbecker |
Nov-09-09 07:04 AM |
#129 |
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if you think this Bill is the Status Quo, you must have the IQ of a Teabagger |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 12:08 PM |
#169 |
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Yeah some of us continue to battle |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-09-09 07:23 AM |
#130 |
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It's better than nothing |
TomClash |
Nov-09-09 07:32 AM |
#132 |
| -
K&R |
RoadRage |
Nov-09-09 07:46 AM |
#135 |
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It's early days yet... |
Orsino |
Nov-09-09 07:50 AM |
#136 |
| -
Rahm Emmanuel couldn't have said it better. |
GeorgeGist |
Nov-09-09 07:54 AM |
#137 |
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not as good as it could have been, but a good place to build from. |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 08:02 AM |
#138 |
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happy. could be MUCH happier, but optimistic that time will work in my favor. |
unblock |
Nov-09-09 08:14 AM |
#140 |
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I'm happy "something " passd. It is a shit bill... |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 08:26 AM |
#141 |
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It's a shit bill. Obama will be blamed. Just as he's being blamed for the Bush economic disaster. |
EndElectoral |
Nov-09-09 08:37 AM |
#143 |
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That is the nature of the beast. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 08:39 AM |
#145 |
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Not if Obama keeps pointing at reThug policies that got us the econ disaster |
uponit7771 |
Nov-09-09 09:26 AM |
#154 |
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what a soured mental state you live with. hope things get better for you. |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 12:10 PM |
#171 |
| -
That from someone in la-la-land? |
MNDemNY |
Nov-09-09 02:08 PM |
#188 |
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For those like me with a pre-existing condition |
TZ |
Nov-09-09 08:32 AM |
#142 |
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I support |
rapturedbyrobots |
Nov-09-09 08:37 AM |
#144 |
| -
247 recs and top of the list on DU's home page, but not on the greatest page any more |
Turborama |
Nov-09-09 08:44 AM |
#146 |
| -
390 recs in total, according to the top ten page |
Turborama |
Nov-09-09 08:53 AM |
#147 |
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Rec - I consider it a down payment |
supernova |
Nov-09-09 08:56 AM |
#148 |
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I would be happy had they passed health care reform. This ain't even close |
AllyCat |
Nov-09-09 09:00 AM |
#149 |
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My thoughts on this are.... |
tiredtoo |
Nov-09-09 09:02 AM |
#150 |
| -
now i want to see the senate do the same |
barbtries |
Nov-09-09 09:09 AM |
#151 |
| -
It's a start.... |
Sienna86 |
Nov-09-09 09:13 AM |
#152 |
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Auto-Unrec for 'rec this thread' thread. |
Iggo |
Nov-09-09 09:23 AM |
#153 |
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It's a lot of smoke, a lot of mirrors and you don't address Stupak in your |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-09-09 09:26 AM |
#155 |
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You're living in a dreamworld. If Obama signs a bill |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-09-09 09:57 AM |
#156 |
| -
+1 |
grahamhgreen |
Nov-09-09 10:10 AM |
#158 |
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+10. Somebody who gets it. |
chill_wind |
Nov-09-09 10:45 AM |
#161 |
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you are wrong and will be proven thus |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 12:12 PM |
#172 |
| -
Yeap! Which will lead to a far more right-winger than Bush! |
Riverman |
Nov-09-09 01:45 PM |
#185 |
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Reluctantly I must unrec. The bill I could rec would have a state single payer amendment, and or a |
grahamhgreen |
Nov-09-09 10:08 AM |
#157 |
| -
Recommended but not wholeheartedly. |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-09-09 10:23 AM |
#159 |
| -
If only we got a watered down bill in 94 |
lobodons |
Nov-09-09 10:45 AM |
#162 |
| -
actually, this is a good point. |
inna |
Nov-09-09 11:17 AM |
#165 |
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Exactly what one can expect |
ProudDad |
Nov-09-09 11:10 AM |
#164 |
| -
Far from the ideal solution to the problem, at least it's a step in the right direction. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-09-09 11:20 AM |
#166 |
| -
The smallest step begins the longest journey,,, |
benld74 |
Nov-09-09 11:21 AM |
#167 |
| -
its not perfect but it's a start. |
bdamomma |
Nov-09-09 12:09 PM |
#170 |
| -
I am with Kucinich and Bullis |
earcandle |
Nov-09-09 12:15 PM |
#173 |
| -
446 Recs, 162 Unrecs... So around 75% of DU supports the Bill |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 12:21 PM |
#175 |
| -
The longest nose-holding thread in recent DU history- it's that much at least. |
chill_wind |
Nov-09-09 01:27 PM |
#182 |
| -
you just can't face the facts, can you? most of us support this Bill, and you can't stand it. |
Aramchek |
Nov-09-09 01:52 PM |
#187 |
| -
I agree |
Techn0Girl |
Nov-09-09 03:28 PM |
#190 |
| -
K&R. |
Fire1 |
Nov-09-09 12:26 PM |
#177 |
| -
Gotta start somewhere. nt |
onehandle |
Nov-09-09 12:29 PM |
#178 |
| -
Unrec. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-09-09 12:48 PM |
#179 |
| -
not happy but it is a start..I am sure the insurance co are smiling big bucks ! |
april |
Nov-09-09 01:17 PM |
#181 |
| -
Hell No! I am with Kucinich. Obama + Dems handed over |
Riverman |
Nov-09-09 01:43 PM |
#184 |
| -
I'd add my recommend if I could.To say that I'm supportive is gross understatement |
quiller4 |
Nov-09-09 01:51 PM |
#186 |
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