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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:32 PM
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4. It's better than any of us were expecting just a couple of months ago
I like it - it's a good bill overall (obviously all legislation has it's caveats.)
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  -Let's see where DU really stands. Rec if you are happy that the House passed Health Care Reform Aramchek  Nov-08-09 01:26 PM   #0 
  - Not ideal, but an ADVANCE. A good START. SUPPORT IT !  RBInMaine   Nov-08-09 01:28 PM   #1 
  - You will get net recs because most here will hold their nose and accept the bill  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 02:11 PM   #19 
  - It's not half of the party. Far from it  impik   Nov-08-09 03:44 PM   #39 
  - you are not even close to half of the Party. but nice attempt to spin.  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 05:25 PM   #47 
  - We really don't if it's better than nothing  Scairp   Nov-08-09 11:57 PM   #92 
  - Then I'm missing something as well.  xxqqqzme   Nov-09-09 12:20 PM   #174 
  - Well put.  zoff   Nov-09-09 02:10 AM   #114 
  - Tell me honestly  Chulanowa   Nov-09-09 05:13 AM   #120 
  - As long as they use it  PSzymeczek   Nov-08-09 05:52 PM   #53 
     - We are only allowed to have so much but all we did was get the door open on HC reform  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:30 AM   #100 
        - The people pressured congress to disobey the corporatocracy-oh my.  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:32 AM   #101 
           - Why is it we always come down to the majority saying "It's better than nothing at all"  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:34 AM   #102 
              - What was revealed by this issue more than anything is how bribed and bought our senate really is  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:35 AM   #103 
                 - It revealed something almost more important than that.  Ineeda   Nov-09-09 04:54 AM   #118 
                 - I wish I could rec your post  renate   Nov-09-09 10:57 AM   #163 
                 - I think you're the rightest so far.  liberalmike27   Nov-09-09 02:10 PM   #189 
  - Let's just see what it looks like when it emerges from conference.  cali   Nov-08-09 01:29 PM   #2 
  - That's kind of the problem that we face though...  Norquist Nemesis   Nov-09-09 02:47 AM   #116 
  - K + R I am glad to at least be "on the yellow-brick road".  patrice   Nov-08-09 01:32 PM   #3 
  - A Good Start  dtotire   Nov-08-09 01:56 PM   #15 
  - Exactly..........  SergeStorms   Nov-09-09 04:16 AM   #117 
  - I'd rather be on the yellow brick road than be a Bagger  goclark   Nov-08-09 10:43 PM   #77 
  - Yeah, piss yellow. This bill is shit. Look back to 1965 when the..........  pattmarty   Nov-09-09 07:45 AM   #134 
  - It's better than any of us were expecting just a couple of months ago  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 01:32 PM   #4 
  - If you expected so little why did you vote for them?  pundaint   Nov-08-09 10:09 PM   #71 
  - Raises hand. nt  quiet.american   Nov-08-09 01:34 PM   #5 
  - Why does one either have to be happy about it, or oppose it?  rucky   Nov-08-09 01:34 PM   #6 
  - how about we let the recs determine if the majority is happy or not?  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 01:41 PM   #9 
     - How do you count the ones who don't rec or unrec?  rucky   Nov-08-09 01:46 PM   #11 
     - If the recs remain above zero, then the majority are happy  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 01:52 PM   #13 
     - Oh, yes, the populist recometer will tell all ..  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 02:14 PM   #20 
     - it's really very simple.  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 02:33 PM   #24 
        - It's Really Very Simple Minded ....  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 02:27 AM   #115 
           - I agree with you.  Plucketeer   Nov-09-09 10:32 AM   #160 
     - The way you paint the unrec side doesn't apply.  rucky   Nov-08-09 02:15 PM   #22 
        - this will do fine. will you be convinced that the majority are happy when this hits the Front Page?  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 02:35 PM   #25 
           - By that meter a majority are already unhappy. Opinions are more nuanced. This is a little simplistic  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 02:40 PM   #26 
           - And thats what you are hoping for isn't  JANdad   Nov-09-09 05:21 AM   #121 
     - This will not do! You are showing an alarming propensity toward independent thought! nt  Atticus   Nov-08-09 10:07 PM   #70 
     - Well, I don't believe in the unrec function here at DU. I will give my opinion and take  CTyankee   Nov-08-09 03:29 PM   #34 
     - I'm with you on most of your points.  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 05:45 PM   #52 
        - Thank you for explaining your opposition to various parts of the bill.  CTyankee   Nov-08-09 06:36 PM   #56 
     - I'm happy about it so that's +1  goclark   Nov-08-09 09:55 PM   #66 
  - It's a start and I support it.  tandot   Nov-08-09 01:35 PM   #7 
  - I'm happy.  silverweb   Nov-08-09 01:36 PM   #8 
  - Baby steps  Turbineguy   Nov-08-09 01:44 PM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 01:51 PM   #12 
  - The Bill passed the House. We are the winners. The Sore Losers are those throwing the fits.  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 01:54 PM   #14 
  - I rec'd and wanted to give you a post to compliment my rec---since rec's can be downgraded.  vaberella   Nov-08-09 01:59 PM   #16 
  - So can unrecs. They are functionally equivalent votes. n/t  Ms. Toad   Nov-09-09 08:13 AM   #139 
  - I would be happy if they had passed real reform...  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 02:01 PM   #17 
  - millions of uninsured will get coverage  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 02:14 PM   #21 
     - Of course I don't oppose uninsured people getting coverage, I support coverage for all Americans  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 02:31 PM   #23 
        - you have liability Car Insurance, don't you?  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 03:22 PM   #32 
        - I can choose to not own a car, but I can not choose to live without a body.  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 03:31 PM   #35 
           - thus, you should get insurance on it. neither car repair or medical care are free  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 03:43 PM   #38 
              - I have health insurance, but I don't know if it will be there when I need it.  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 03:55 PM   #41 
                 - a Public Option where everyone can participate is Single payer  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 05:24 PM   #46 
                    - Soon. soon...the door has been opened but we must keep the pressure on to expand coverage.  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:46 AM   #107 
                    - It's the senate who will try to kill the public option just so it shuts the door.  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:47 AM   #108 
                       - This is what Lieberman has been called upon to do.Keep gov. involvement out of the bill  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:48 AM   #109 
                          - btw, trying to take a survery by recs is petty and trite and hardly conclusive of anything  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:51 AM   #111 
                             - Say what you gotta' say and observe the recs but don't use it to manipulate opinion  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:53 AM   #112 
                    - That is not true or honest !  galloglas   Nov-09-09 12:21 PM   #176 
        - Exactly, ignore the false options  pundaint   Nov-08-09 10:29 PM   #73 
        - bought and paid for  Skittles   Nov-09-09 12:00 AM   #93 
        - K&R  mecherosegarden   Nov-09-09 07:41 AM   #133 
        - Don't try and reason with the OP...  Prana69   Nov-08-09 11:35 PM   #87 
           - We vs Them ....  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 01:45 AM   #105 
  - I've never wavered.  LWolf   Nov-08-09 02:05 PM   #18 
  - This is me being happy last night  demwing   Nov-08-09 02:42 PM   #27 
  - Happy but not delirious  PATRICK   Nov-08-09 02:48 PM   #28 
  - I think it's worthwhile, so I gave you a rec.  burning rain   Nov-08-09 03:00 PM   #29 
  - I have reservations but happier now than if it had been killed altogether  Liberation Angel   Nov-08-09 03:15 PM   #30 
  - -1  KansasVoter   Nov-08-09 03:21 PM   #31 
  - Wouldn't a poll give you a better idea of the results?  Blue-Jay   Nov-08-09 03:22 PM   #33 
  - I think these results are conclusive.  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 03:34 PM   #36 
  - Not perfect, but a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE progress  impik   Nov-08-09 03:42 PM   #37 
  - Well said. This is history in the making, folks! Proudly K&R'd  ObamaKerryDem   Nov-08-09 03:59 PM   #42 
  - Something to build on, definitely  Iwillnevergiveup   Nov-08-09 03:48 PM   #40 
  - Bill Clinton. NAFTA. nt  noamnety   Nov-08-09 04:08 PM   #43 
  - needs some tweaks, but it's got the fundamentals reforms that have broad consensus  BREMPRO   Nov-08-09 04:54 PM   #44 
  - kick  BREMPRO   Nov-08-09 05:12 PM   #45 
  - Basic first step. And it needs to get past the Senate and the final vote too.  Jennicut   Nov-08-09 05:26 PM   #48 
  - k&r  cry baby   Nov-08-09 05:30 PM   #49 
  - Very reluctantly  Canuckistanian   Nov-08-09 05:32 PM   #50 
  - It is a start. We will get Single Payer eventually.  Odin2005   Nov-08-09 05:35 PM   #51 
  - sigh! i guess it's better than nothing or a Republican bill.  shireen   Nov-08-09 05:52 PM   #54 
  - k&u. ridiculous.  inna   Nov-08-09 05:59 PM   #55 
  - Just checking in to see how the turd-polishing is coming along. n/t  rucky   Nov-08-09 06:51 PM   #57 
  - your limited perspective will not sully this accomplishment  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 09:33 PM   #64 
  - 'turd-polishing'  Lost-in-FL   Nov-09-09 12:49 PM   #180 
  - welcome to US government 101  CTLawGuy   Nov-08-09 07:46 PM   #58 
  - Yes I'm happy it passed.  donheld   Nov-08-09 08:44 PM   #59 
  - I'm happy it passed - still a lot of work to do, but it's a start!  Avalux   Nov-08-09 08:46 PM   #60 
  - Removing anti-trust exemption for health care providers  neuvocat   Nov-08-09 08:48 PM   #62 
  - K&R.  TwilightGardener   Nov-08-09 08:47 PM   #61 
  - Good start. Very happy.  felinetta   Nov-08-09 09:04 PM   #63 
  - It is not a signed bill...  Guilded Lilly   Nov-08-09 09:40 PM   #65 
  - It's a start. A start that would have never happened under a repug administration  groundloop   Nov-08-09 09:59 PM   #67 
  - 90 unrecs  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 10:04 PM   #68 
  - It's the health/bank industry loving Dems like Obama who have no moral center.  katandmoon   Nov-08-09 10:21 PM   #72 
  - yet still at the top of the homepage. there are more of us than there are of them  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 10:52 PM   #78 
     - But why would anybody vengefully unrec a post about something better than expected  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 11:02 PM   #81 
        - spite. they have invested themselves in opposition and find it hard to give up  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 11:08 PM   #84 
        - They split DU in two over this  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 11:27 PM   #86 
           - Your self-imposed exile must be blissful.  Prana69   Nov-08-09 11:46 PM   #89 
           - I've been reading their tripe for many years  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 11:52 PM   #91 
           - Same here....  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 01:51 AM   #110 
        - We have an unrec troll who does it every night to every item on DU so I rec them all afterward  bjobotts   Nov-09-09 01:37 AM   #104 
  - A first step. Rec'd  Kaleva   Nov-08-09 10:06 PM   #69 
  - Mandates to buy private insurance but no regulation of premiums they charge me  SandWalker1984   Nov-08-09 10:33 PM   #74 
  - ^ITA with 74]^ n/t  Mimosa   Nov-08-09 11:00 PM   #80 
  - I'm with you  newspeak   Nov-09-09 01:38 PM   #183 
  - the retaliation for pearl harbor wasn't ideal, but it was a start... n/t  PatrynXX   Nov-08-09 10:42 PM   #75 
  - good start and hopefully abortion amendment is out later  ind_thinker2   Nov-08-09 10:43 PM   #76 
  - The abortion amendment will NEVER be taken out,  katandmoon   Nov-08-09 10:54 PM   #79 
  - Unrec'd. It's a lousy bill with a snowball's chance.  Daemonaquila   Nov-08-09 11:05 PM   #82 
  - Sorry cant get excited about the HOR passing by 3 votes a weak bill that will only get weaker in the  rhett o rick   Nov-08-09 11:06 PM   #83 
  - If by Health Care Reform you mean Health Care Reform then there's a problem with  hulka38   Nov-08-09 11:11 PM   #85 
  - Bottom line:  Bette Noir   Nov-08-09 11:40 PM   #88 
  - Thank you so much for sharing.  jefferson_dem   Nov-09-09 06:15 AM   #124 
  - Healthcare reform has to go through  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-08-09 11:49 PM   #90 
  - Mixed, for those it helps, kick  Mithreal   Nov-09-09 12:21 AM   #94 
  - very happy  seattle_blue   Nov-09-09 12:32 AM   #95 
  - Negs  d_b   Nov-09-09 12:54 AM   #96 
  - I see it as a way forward, seriously didn't think we'd get this far.  mackerel   Nov-09-09 01:01 AM   #97 
     - maybe it's a way forward  d_b   Nov-09-09 01:10 AM   #98 
  - IF YOU'RE HAPPY AND YOU KNOW IT CLAP YOUR HANDS !!  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 01:26 AM   #99 
  - Have no doubts it will pass the Senate?  AntiFascist   Nov-09-09 01:45 AM   #106 
  - Two schools of thought ...  zoff   Nov-09-09 01:56 AM   #113 
  - Unrec for another meaningless, cheerleading thread (nt)  IrateCitizen   Nov-09-09 05:09 AM   #119 
  - K&R.....  Tarheel_Dem   Nov-09-09 05:49 AM   #122 
  - not meaningless. in fact, it proves the exact point I intended  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 12:06 PM   #168 
  - It's got to be better than what the Senate has in mind!  DailyGrind51   Nov-09-09 06:03 AM   #123 
  - K&R - It's far from perfect, but it's progress  rox63   Nov-09-09 06:25 AM   #125 
  - And Half A Crumb?  timzi   Nov-09-09 07:28 AM   #131 
  - Considering the toxic times we live it will do.  gordianot   Nov-09-09 06:35 AM   #126 
  - Wow +208!! You would never know it from reading the most of the posts on DU lately.  DCBob   Nov-09-09 06:37 AM   #127 
  - LOL - Nixon's Old "Silent Majority" -  timzi   Nov-09-09 07:01 AM   #128 
  - Status Quo! Status Quo! Status Quo! USA! USA ! USA! USA!  rgbecker   Nov-09-09 07:04 AM   #129 
  - if you think this Bill is the Status Quo, you must have the IQ of a Teabagger  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 12:08 PM   #169 
  - Yeah some of us continue to battle  Life Long Dem   Nov-09-09 07:23 AM   #130 
  - It's better than nothing  TomClash   Nov-09-09 07:32 AM   #132 
  - K&R  RoadRage   Nov-09-09 07:46 AM   #135 
  - It's early days yet...  Orsino   Nov-09-09 07:50 AM   #136 
  - Rahm Emmanuel couldn't have said it better.  GeorgeGist   Nov-09-09 07:54 AM   #137 
  - not as good as it could have been, but a good place to build from.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 08:02 AM   #138 
  - happy. could be MUCH happier, but optimistic that time will work in my favor.  unblock   Nov-09-09 08:14 AM   #140 
  - I'm happy "something " passd. It is a shit bill...  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 08:26 AM   #141 
  - It's a shit bill. Obama will be blamed. Just as he's being blamed for the Bush economic disaster.  EndElectoral   Nov-09-09 08:37 AM   #143 
  - That is the nature of the beast.  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 08:39 AM   #145 
  - Not if Obama keeps pointing at reThug policies that got us the econ disaster  uponit7771   Nov-09-09 09:26 AM   #154 
  - what a soured mental state you live with. hope things get better for you.  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 12:10 PM   #171 
     - That from someone in la-la-land?  MNDemNY   Nov-09-09 02:08 PM   #188 
  - For those like me with a pre-existing condition  TZ   Nov-09-09 08:32 AM   #142 
  - I support  rapturedbyrobots   Nov-09-09 08:37 AM   #144 
  - 247 recs and top of the list on DU's home page, but not on the greatest page any more  Turborama   Nov-09-09 08:44 AM   #146 
  - 390 recs in total, according to the top ten page  Turborama   Nov-09-09 08:53 AM   #147 
  - Rec - I consider it a down payment  supernova   Nov-09-09 08:56 AM   #148 
  - I would be happy had they passed health care reform. This ain't even close  AllyCat   Nov-09-09 09:00 AM   #149 
  - My thoughts on this are....  tiredtoo   Nov-09-09 09:02 AM   #150 
  - now i want to see the senate do the same  barbtries   Nov-09-09 09:09 AM   #151 
  - It's a start....  Sienna86   Nov-09-09 09:13 AM   #152 
  - Auto-Unrec for 'rec this thread' thread.  Iggo   Nov-09-09 09:23 AM   #153 
  - It's a lot of smoke, a lot of mirrors and you don't address Stupak in your  peacetalksforall   Nov-09-09 09:26 AM   #155 
  - You're living in a dreamworld. If Obama signs a bill  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 09:57 AM   #156 
  - +1  grahamhgreen   Nov-09-09 10:10 AM   #158 
  - +10. Somebody who gets it.  chill_wind   Nov-09-09 10:45 AM   #161 
  - you are wrong and will be proven thus  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 12:12 PM   #172 
  - Yeap! Which will lead to a far more right-winger than Bush!  Riverman   Nov-09-09 01:45 PM   #185 
  - Reluctantly I must unrec. The bill I could rec would have a state single payer amendment, and or a  grahamhgreen   Nov-09-09 10:08 AM   #157 
  - Recommended but not wholeheartedly.  Ganja Ninja   Nov-09-09 10:23 AM   #159 
  - If only we got a watered down bill in 94  lobodons   Nov-09-09 10:45 AM   #162 
  - actually, this is a good point.  inna   Nov-09-09 11:17 AM   #165 
  - Exactly what one can expect  ProudDad   Nov-09-09 11:10 AM   #164 
  - Far from the ideal solution to the problem, at least it's a step in the right direction.  kestrel91316   Nov-09-09 11:20 AM   #166 
  - The smallest step begins the longest journey,,,  benld74   Nov-09-09 11:21 AM   #167 
  - its not perfect but it's a start.  bdamomma   Nov-09-09 12:09 PM   #170 
  - I am with Kucinich and Bullis  earcandle   Nov-09-09 12:15 PM   #173 
  - 446 Recs, 162 Unrecs... So around 75% of DU supports the Bill  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 12:21 PM   #175 
  - The longest nose-holding thread in recent DU history- it's that much at least.  chill_wind   Nov-09-09 01:27 PM   #182 
     - you just can't face the facts, can you? most of us support this Bill, and you can't stand it.  Aramchek   Nov-09-09 01:52 PM   #187 
        - I agree  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 03:28 PM   #190 
  - K&R.  Fire1   Nov-09-09 12:26 PM   #177 
  - Gotta start somewhere. nt  onehandle   Nov-09-09 12:29 PM   #178 
  - Unrec.  Lost-in-FL   Nov-09-09 12:48 PM   #179 
  - not happy but it is a start..I am sure the insurance co are smiling big bucks !  april   Nov-09-09 01:17 PM   #181 
  - Hell No! I am with Kucinich. Obama + Dems handed over  Riverman   Nov-09-09 01:43 PM   #184 
  - I'd add my recommend if I could.To say that I'm supportive is gross understatement  quiller4   Nov-09-09 01:51 PM   #186 
 

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