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Mon Nov-09-09 08:46 AM
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| 80. There are two issues here - Obama is FAR more popular than Carter and |
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there is simply no potential opponent with the stature of Ted Kennedy. In addition, Jimmy Carter was about as far to the right as the Democratic party goes - there was more "space" on his left for a challenge than in Obama's case.
As a test of the lack of a viable opponent, think of the Democrats who would consider running if Obama announced he intended not to run in 2012 - as unlikely as that is. That should get you a full list of candidates, viable and not. Look at that list and then generously identify the ones who would be potentially viable (eliminate Kucinich here), who are to the left of Obama (eliminate Clinton, Warner Bayh here) and finally of those still remaining would consider running against Obama (eliminate Kerry, who has been a strong Obama ally, and Gore, who didn't want to run in the open 2004 or 2008 races, here).
Now consider in addition, that Obama is considerably more popular then Jimmy Carter. Far above 50% of Democrats approve of him. There is NO ONE in the Democratic party who, upon announcing a challenge to Obama, would have above 50% of Democrats approving of them - including ones who have high approval ratings now.
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| -Anyone else worried that Kucinich is setting himself up for a primary challenge to Obama in 2012? |
argonaut |
Nov-08-09 12:45 PM |
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I'm not worried about Kucinich. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'd win. |
argonaut |
Nov-08-09 12:48 PM |
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He runs every time. He's turning into Harold Stassen. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Nov-08-09 12:49 PM |
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Nope |
Hutzpa |
Nov-08-09 12:51 PM |
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You are exactly right and he is taken just as seriously. n/t |
quiller4 |
Nov-08-09 03:16 PM |
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What did he get in 2008 primaries? 2%? Let him do anything he wants. |
FormerDittoHead |
Nov-09-09 09:21 AM |
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He wouldn't even be a factor. Nixon had a challenge on his right in 72 who got 15% or so in NH |
WI_DEM |
Nov-09-09 10:58 AM |
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Dennis has run almost every year since I've been able to vote - and he adds color |
stray cat |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
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Dennis won't be running for President again.n/t |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
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Hmm. Your crystal ball is working overtime today. n/t |
Ineeda |
Nov-08-09 12:54 PM |
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He's in his sixties. I doubt if he will want to go through the stresses of |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 01:04 PM |
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and Nader was 70 in 2004 - didn't stop him. n/t. |
Ineeda |
Nov-08-09 01:09 PM |
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That's nonsense. |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 01:16 PM |
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Now, that point is valid. Unlike your prior one: |
Ineeda |
Nov-08-09 01:48 PM |
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We don't have a Ted Kennedy to carry the banner |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-09 12:47 PM |
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It would be nice to get more & better Democrats. I think we all can agree on that |
emulatorloo |
Nov-08-09 12:48 PM |
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My congressperson Carson is great. My Senator Bayh is an industry puke. |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-09 12:53 PM |
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What happened to Teddy will probably prevent ANY Dem from challenging a sitting Dem president |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 02:11 PM |
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if you think for ONE SECOND Ted Kennedy would have supported Kucinich's vote |
dave29 |
Nov-08-09 02:14 PM |
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Haha! Well said. |
ObamaKerryDem |
Nov-08-09 04:04 PM |
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Hee. Exactly. Teddy would be thrilled with this bill |
impik |
Nov-08-09 04:09 PM |
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You mean those that voted to give 38 million people insurance coverage... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-08-09 02:16 PM |
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No. I think DK was always planning on running. He seems to every season, which is his right n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-08-09 12:47 PM |
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The truth--Kucinich is NO threat to Obama's popularity... |
Bicoastal |
Nov-08-09 12:47 PM |
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Trivia question for everyone |
bluestateguy |
Nov-08-09 12:49 PM |
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0? |
grytpype |
Nov-08-09 12:55 PM |
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Don't You Think He Runs to get Issues before the Voters that they might not get. |
Pyrzqxgl |
Nov-08-09 01:03 PM |
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Why not? New Hampshire is pretty, Iowa is pretty -- I guess -- and... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Nov-08-09 12:50 PM |
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Obama could kick Kooch's ass with both hands tied behind his back |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 12:51 PM |
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"Worry?" Why? |
Sinti |
Nov-08-09 12:51 PM |
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He may. And no, I'm not worried. |
rvablue |
Nov-08-09 12:52 PM |
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No. He'll get 1% of the vote. |
grytpype |
Nov-08-09 12:53 PM |
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Nah. Not worried...even if he did decide to run. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-08-09 12:55 PM |
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He would not be a serious challenger, and would be destroyed utterly. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-08-09 12:56 PM |
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Maybe, if he gets enough right-wing funding a la Nader and Sharpton. |
LoZoccolo |
Nov-08-09 12:56 PM |
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Dennis is nothing like Nader or Sharpton |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 02:08 PM |
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I didn't say he was...yet. |
LoZoccolo |
Nov-08-09 03:30 PM |
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I can honestly say that this is one scenario that will not cost me a moment's anxiety. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-08-09 01:00 PM |
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not worried at all. and why do you think the repubs would be happy about that? |
onenote |
Nov-08-09 01:06 PM |
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Dennis isn't an idiot |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 01:07 PM |
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He is nowhere near Ted Kennedy level as a serious candidate |
karynnj |
Nov-08-09 03:24 PM |
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Of course Teddy was a more viable candidate |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 05:46 PM |
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There are two issues here - Obama is FAR more popular than Carter and |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 08:46 AM |
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I agree that Obama is much more popular than Carter |
Ken Burch |
Nov-09-09 10:15 AM |
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Good points - and LBJ was challenged in a primary |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 10:36 AM |
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DK alienated a lot of his own liberal base last night. Not worried. |
msallied |
Nov-08-09 01:14 PM |
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no |
peace13 |
Nov-08-09 01:18 PM |
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Let him run. I don't see a problem. My ovaries already won't for him after yesterday's vote. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 01:18 PM |
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Not Kucinich, but I am afraid Lieberman will run for president as an independent. |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-09 01:19 PM |
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Would the GOP pull its ticket if he did? |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 02:05 PM |
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Joe Lieberman?! He will have trouble winning reelection here in CT. |
Jennicut |
Nov-08-09 05:01 PM |
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Who would vote for him? Both sides hate the guy. |
phleshdef |
Nov-08-09 06:19 PM |
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They still voted for McCain... right? nt |
Lost-in-FL |
Nov-08-09 06:26 PM |
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Yeah - but the Republicans will have a candidate of their own in 2012 |
karynnj |
Nov-09-09 08:51 AM |
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Worried? |
Phx_Dem |
Nov-08-09 01:21 PM |
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I hope so - it will make Obama appear more moderate and push his |
grantcart |
Nov-08-09 01:21 PM |
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Kucinich 2012!!!! |
earth mom |
Nov-08-09 01:25 PM |
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Kucinich 2012 indeed |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Nov-09-09 11:39 AM |
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Ooo, yes, I'm very concerned. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Nov-08-09 01:30 PM |
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Super Worried. |
CBR |
Nov-08-09 01:55 PM |
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No. |
LWolf |
Nov-08-09 02:08 PM |
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He has about as much chance as Harold Stassen once did |
Zomby Woof |
Nov-08-09 02:21 PM |
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If he does, I'll be his first volunteer. |
salguine |
Nov-08-09 02:22 PM |
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I doubt it, but I hope so. |
Vidar |
Nov-08-09 02:51 PM |
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Oooh, he might get five percent of the primary vote! |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-08-09 02:51 PM |
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Then we couldl have a 5 party free for all in 2012 |
Garam_Masala |
Nov-08-09 03:12 PM |
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No - He had almost no support in two OPEN nomination races |
karynnj |
Nov-08-09 03:18 PM |
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He's not going to run against Obama, or anyone else... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Nov-08-09 03:27 PM |
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This is correct. |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 03:52 PM |
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The deadline to file to run for the Senate is less than two months away |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-09-09 12:32 PM |
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Everyone seems to ignore the fact that he asked his supporters |
Norrin Radd |
Nov-08-09 03:31 PM |
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In Iowa, and in New Hampshire |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 03:54 PM |
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Why would that worry anyone...Kucinich can't win a dogcatcher seat outside |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-08-09 03:31 PM |
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This isn't about DK. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-08-09 03:33 PM |
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Yea, good luck to him with that |
impik |
Nov-08-09 04:10 PM |
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Did you notice that what the House passed bore no resemblance to Kennedy's HELP bill? |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-09 04:42 PM |
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Worried about a guy who came in 12th out of 11 in 2008? |
scheming daemons |
Nov-08-09 05:17 PM |
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I'll Vote For Dennis Over Obama Any Day Of The Week! |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-08-09 05:49 PM |
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No. He is highly sensitive to corporate bullshit, and this bill is full of it. |
Orsino |
Nov-08-09 05:52 PM |
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He can try, but he won't win Independents and Moderates. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-08-09 06:03 PM |
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I Am A Progressive Independent - He Has My Vote |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-08-09 06:28 PM |
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I am independent progressive |
Bryn |
Nov-08-09 08:19 PM |
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Yeah, he might even get more than the .01% of the vote he got in 2008 |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 06:30 PM |
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I hope he does. He'll get my vote. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 07:56 PM |
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Why should that be a worry? |
undeterred |
Nov-08-09 07:58 PM |
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even if he was , its not somehing to worry about. |
mkultra |
Nov-08-09 09:12 PM |
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Of course he'll run, he likes the attention. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-08-09 10:03 PM |
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Not worried at all. I think he will, and |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-09-09 08:48 AM |
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Why would I worry about a real Dem going to the WH? |
Hepburn |
Nov-09-09 09:17 AM |
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The Question Is: Will Obama Face A Primary Challenger In 2012? |
Dinger |
Nov-09-09 09:21 AM |
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No. Even if he decides to run, he won't make any kind of impact. |
Kaleva |
Nov-09-09 10:46 AM |
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Worried? No. If he challenges Obama he will lose easily. |
WI_DEM |
Nov-09-09 10:56 AM |
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Yeah, he'll run again and get the usual 3% and get his ass kicked |
zulchzulu |
Nov-09-09 11:29 AM |
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At the rate Obama is going, I certainly hope someone does. |
Kitsune |
Nov-09-09 11:40 AM |
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And as much as I love Kucinich |
prolesunited |
Nov-09-09 11:53 AM |
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Why not? |
Leo The Cleo |
Nov-09-09 11:44 AM |
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Wow. An entire strawman thread. |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-09-09 11:56 AM |
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OF what concern would that be? |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-09-09 12:01 PM |
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Worried? No. Amused? Yes. |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-09-09 12:40 PM |
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LOL ROFL... |
dionysus |
Nov-09-09 01:14 PM |
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I won't vote for him.. he's the same as the Blue Dogs in my eyes.. |
RoadRage |
Nov-09-09 01:17 PM |
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