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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. ATJ's logic: Since it doesn't help everyone, it therefore helps no one

This bill helps millions of people.

Those people don't matter to ATJ... because the bill apparently doesn't help everyone.

So... since there aren't enough lifeboats to save all the passengers, NONE of them are to get on lifeboats and must all go down with the ship.
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  -I don't know if we won tonight or not. Ken Burch  Nov-08-09 02:23 AM   #0 
  - "Main Street" might have won  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 02:30 AM   #1 
  - This "go to jail" thing -- Politifact says it is BS, basically. . .  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:38 AM   #6 
  - What's the point of a mandate  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 02:49 AM   #12 
     - Dunno, I guess John Ensign explains it all in that piece I linked.  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:52 AM   #14 
     - Would you like another shiny lure  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 02:56 AM   #18 
        - It is not my job to sort through propaganda from rightwing astroturf groups for you n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 03:08 AM   #25 
           - Then why try to tar people who disagree with you  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:41 AM   #43 
              - I am not responsible for your gullibility. Reread the Politifact analysis, maybe it will help  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 01:35 PM   #84 
                 - I did read it  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:44 PM   #94 
     - I believe under a year is a misdemeanor; over a year is a felony...  ChicagoSuz219   Nov-08-09 05:51 AM   #63 
     - The insrance companies love that mandate stuff  Garam_Masala   Nov-08-09 02:46 PM   #92 
  - So many GOP talking points  niceypoo   Nov-08-09 09:54 AM   #74 
  - I love that term you coined--Healthcare Outlaws  Garam_Masala   Nov-08-09 02:42 PM   #90 
  - Well here is a start:  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:32 AM   #2 
  - Cheerleading thread that means little or nothing in the light of reality.  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 03:51 AM   #51 
     - It means nothing to you but that means America is  Cha   Nov-08-09 04:43 PM   #98 
  - 38 million of the downtrotten won.  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 02:34 AM   #3 
  - Not if they can't afford the insurance  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 02:35 AM   #4 
  - People who can't afford insurance will get help. EOM  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:39 AM   #7 
  - Yeah.... sock it to the top 1% eom  Garam_Masala   Nov-08-09 02:44 PM   #91 
  - That isn't how it will work, and you know it.  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 02:40 AM   #8 
     - Neither does this bill  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 02:55 AM   #17 
        - That isn't true.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:10 AM   #28 
  - Assuming that nothing else is removed in conference.  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 02:42 AM   #10 
  - Can some one tell me where are the additional doctors for those 38 Million  Garam_Masala   Nov-08-09 02:52 PM   #93 
  - We didn't  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 02:37 AM   #5 
  - You lost....  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 02:42 AM   #9 
     - You are going to dance around the concerns  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 02:47 AM   #11 
        - My concern are those who aren't able to see a doctor now,  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:22 AM   #32 
           - Those people will still be unable to see a doctor  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 03:25 AM   #36 
              - Why lie?  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:27 AM   #38 
                 - Allentown's a liar...that's why he lies  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-08-09 06:18 AM   #65 
  - Who knows or cares anymore. I was told I was being selfish for liking one aspect of the bill.  Jennicut   Nov-08-09 02:50 AM   #13 
  - Dunno, New threads you've started suggest you aren't really "willing to be persuaded"  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:53 AM   #15 
  - Whatever.  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 02:54 AM   #16 
     - So what happened to "I'm willing to be persuaded"?  emulatorloo   Nov-08-09 02:58 AM   #19 
     - I've heard no arguments thus far other than "shut up and know your place"  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 03:00 AM   #20 
        - Actually, I provided some facts in your thread.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:30 AM   #39 
           - OK. I'll exempt you from that statement  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 03:57 AM   #53 
     - Some people are happy that they are that much closer to  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:01 AM   #22 
        - And others are upset because this doesn't bring them one inch closer  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:04 AM   #23 
           - What is your situation?  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:06 AM   #24 
              - I have no shame in telling you  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:33 AM   #40 
                 - You will get what you need from this bill.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:48 AM   #48 
                    - Honestly, I hope you're right  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:55 AM   #52 
                       - Your wish is my wish......  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 04:14 AM   #56 
  - You wont know for another 10+ years  Oregone   Nov-08-09 03:00 AM   #21 
  - We had an 80 yard drive that ended with a Field Goal instead of a Touchdown...  scheming daemons   Nov-08-09 03:08 AM   #26 
  - More like a fumble and a saftey  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 03:10 AM   #27 
     - More like you forfeit, cause you aren't even brave enough to play,  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:12 AM   #29 
        - This isn't a fucking game  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 03:16 AM   #30 
           - That is correct, lives are on the line,  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:21 AM   #31 
           - You didn't respond to the critique  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 03:23 AM   #34 
           - That's the problem, isn't it?  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:26 AM   #37 
              - I guess President Obama woke up one day  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 03:33 AM   #41 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 03:41 AM   #44 
                    - Delete  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:50 AM   #50 
           - ATJ's logic: Since it doesn't help everyone, it therefore helps no one  scheming daemons   Nov-08-09 03:25 AM   #35 
           - Fucking deadbeat proles!  JVS   Nov-08-09 07:57 AM   #68 
  - Here's how you know if we won:  scheming daemons   Nov-08-09 03:22 AM   #33 
  - THAT'S how you measure success?  Skittles   Nov-08-09 03:46 AM   #47 
  - I don't know if it's a good metric...  backscatter712   Nov-08-09 09:40 AM   #72 
     - Has it ever been wrong?  Cha   Nov-08-09 04:45 PM   #99 
  - What part of "Party of No" don't you understand?  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 04:52 AM   #60 
  - True enough. They were against letting a Democratic president tell kids to do their homework  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:03 PM   #78 
  - They do that when the President goes out for cheeseburgers. Was that a massively successful lunch?  JVS   Nov-08-09 09:41 AM   #73 
  - The fact they felt they had the right to throw women's rights  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 03:38 AM   #42 
  - What is it about the Hyde Amendment that's got you confused.....  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:43 AM   #45 
  - Why you are wrong.  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 03:49 AM   #49 
  - Are you saying that since bill doesn't benefit you directly,  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 03:59 AM   #54 
     - No. I'm telling you exactly why this bill is a failure.  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 04:08 AM   #55 
        - You have a right to feel as you do......  FrenchieCat   Nov-08-09 04:16 AM   #57 
           - Insurance companies have what they want.  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 04:29 AM   #58 
  - That amendment goes past the Hyde Amendment  TheKentuckian   Nov-08-09 05:20 AM   #61 
  - I disagree with the abortion amendment, but no one's "rights" were thrown on the table.  phleshdef   Nov-08-09 04:47 AM   #59 
     - life != health  boppers   Nov-08-09 05:54 AM   #64 
     - I don't know about sterile or crippled, but making her suicidal or homicidal?  phleshdef   Nov-08-09 08:48 AM   #70 
        - Yes, mental health can be fixed by telling somebody to "grow the fuck up".  boppers   Nov-08-09 04:40 PM   #97 
     - "just because she doesn't FEEL like carrying a fetus to full term"?  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:00 PM   #75 
  - I hear you Ken  Skittles   Nov-08-09 03:45 AM   #46 
  - It's insulting to women to define them as baby factories.  boppers   Nov-08-09 05:28 AM   #62 
  - inside the nutshell.  cornermouse   Nov-08-09 06:41 AM   #66 
  - Once again, we have a Democratic administration that won't commit itself  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:02 PM   #76 
  - If women don't have total control over their reproductive options  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:19 PM   #83 
     - It's a different world now.  boppers   Nov-08-09 04:33 PM   #96 
  - REC because OP expresses my conflicted feeling. Yay! Sigh... /nt  philly_bob   Nov-08-09 07:41 AM   #67 
  - Unless you're a healthcare executive, you got boned.  salguine   Nov-08-09 08:01 AM   #69 
  - We got some of what we wanted.  backscatter712   Nov-08-09 09:39 AM   #71 
  - This reminds me of the French being told by the Vichy government that it was the best deal possible  IndianaGreen   Nov-08-09 01:03 PM   #77 
  - Hi IG!  MSchreader   Nov-08-09 03:54 PM   #95 
     - Where have you been hiding for the last couple of years?  IndianaGreen   Nov-08-09 05:35 PM   #100 
  - Of course we won. But I'm sure you can find some reason to throw a fit  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 01:09 PM   #79 
  - It's not about me being picky. It's about principle.  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:14 PM   #80 
     - If your principles preclude you from helping people, you may have the wrong principles  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 01:15 PM   #81 
        - my principles preclude abandoning women.  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 01:43 PM   #85 
           - What a fucking cop-out.  msallied   Nov-08-09 02:08 PM   #86 
              - The Stupak Amendment is in for eternity.  Ken Burch   Nov-08-09 02:12 PM   #87 
  - I feel as if I won. If this makes it all the way through and is signed  Vinca   Nov-08-09 01:18 PM   #82 
  - Unless this great new insurance you think you'll get figures out a way to deny you.  salguine   Nov-08-09 02:24 PM   #88 
     - That's kind of the point of the entire exercise. The one thing  Vinca   Nov-08-09 02:37 PM   #89 
  - The party won a victory. n/t  Orsino   Nov-08-09 05:55 PM   #101 

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