| 172. Take a deep breath and see what comes out of Conference. |
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If Dems have the balls of the GOP they can do what the GOP did behind closed doors when DeLay and that ilk were in Congress. After passage of this House version, progressives and others need to take names of those opposing and promise revenge at the polls BEFORE the Conference sessin begins with the Senate version. Lots of things can change during Conference.
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| -I'm sorry to say it but I want this healthcare legislation to crash and burn |
cali |
Nov-07-09 09:08 AM |
#0 |
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Agreed |
Autumn |
Nov-07-09 09:11 AM |
#1 |
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Take a deep breath and see what comes out of Conference. |
jasi2006 |
Nov-07-09 07:04 PM |
#172 |
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Yes. Let's wait for 20-25 years to see if it really works or not. Let's wait. |
FormerDittoHead |
Nov-08-09 08:54 AM |
#193 |
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Yeah, I agree too... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Nov-07-09 09:12 AM |
#2 |
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Boy, for it being a "giveaway" to insurance companies, the ins. companies sure are against it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:14 AM |
#3 |
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I just talked to an friend who works for a health insurance company |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#8 |
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Yea and I have asked the question to a few DUers making such claims and none answer it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:22 AM |
#11 |
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Try asking a question in good faith then. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 11:15 AM |
#36 |
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I had an OP that asked why health insurance stocks are underperforming the S&P |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#57 |
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There could be a lot of reasons for stock going down. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#66 |
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Stocks at a glance.... |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:23 PM |
#121 |
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you know better than to expect a well articulated response from them |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:37 PM |
#94 |
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you DLC corporatist bankster lover, you |
dionysus |
Nov-07-09 02:32 PM |
#151 |
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Because that is how you play the negotiation game. |
phantom power |
Nov-07-09 09:21 AM |
#10 |
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That not an answer. Thats a cop out to side step the question. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:25 AM |
#14 |
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Of course it's an answer. You might disagree with it. |
phantom power |
Nov-07-09 09:37 AM |
#18 |
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No, its a convoluted conspiracy theory that does not actually answer my valid question. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:42 AM |
#20 |
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Just b/c they oppose it does not mean they wont come out better than middle class voters. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:29 AM |
#42 |
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just curious how do you get people covered without mandating coverage? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:28 PM |
#83 |
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The same way we pay for multi-billion dollar, unpopular wars based on lies? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:33 PM |
#88 |
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Was that supposed to be an answer? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:43 PM |
#97 |
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Not "an" answer- but "the" answer. Yes, taxes pay for public projects. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:52 PM |
#103 |
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Well i dont think you are thinking this through |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#116 |
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So Obama and the DEMS will be breaking their promise? I guess they didn't think that through. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:21 PM |
#120 |
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I dont understand what you are saying . |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:27 PM |
#123 |
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Sure- you do- I'm saying we should raise taxes on the top 1%. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:38 PM |
#130 |
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So in other words you want a pony. |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:46 PM |
#131 |
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So , in other words, you want "ponies" for the Corporations and the ultra rich. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:04 PM |
#141 |
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Taxes are mandates |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 02:06 PM |
#144 |
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Fine- then let's "mandate" that the top 1% pay raised taxes in order to help fund HC. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:15 PM |
#149 |
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Increased taxes on >$500,000 a year. It's already in the bill. |
boppers |
Nov-07-09 08:58 PM |
#183 |
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No its still not a give away. Not when you consider what we will also require of the corporations. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:11 PM |
#113 |
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They will be making their profits, instead of the money going back into the system. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:27 PM |
#122 |
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I don't have a problem with profits as long as people get covered |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:34 PM |
#129 |
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I do. I'd rather the "profits" go back into the system, not into the pockets of the gougers. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#133 |
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Its dishonest to call it a give away because the companies stand to lose more than they gain. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 02:03 PM |
#140 |
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I dont feel I'm lying when I say that they are still getting something out of this... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:11 PM |
#148 |
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Is public option out of the bill? nt |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:59 PM |
#137 |
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Was a strong PO that I qualify for ever in any viable bill? n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:19 PM |
#150 |
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+100 |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:27 PM |
#82 |
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single payer never had the votes. i don't understand why people cannot grasp this. |
dionysus |
Nov-07-09 02:36 PM |
#153 |
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Wouldnt they oppose ANYTHING that is percieved as taking even the slightest amt. of power from them? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:24 AM |
#38 |
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Makes sense, otherwise why spend so much opposing it? |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#136 |
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B/c they prefer the status quo to what still amounts to a give away. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:05 PM |
#143 |
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theatre.... n/t |
nebenaube |
Nov-07-09 10:21 AM |
#25 |
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Its the "Don't throw me in the Briar Patch" strategy.. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 10:51 AM |
#29 |
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right cause people are making their decisions based on insurance companies reactions |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:30 PM |
#86 |
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See posts 8 and 11 this thread. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 12:42 PM |
#96 |
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but the Briar patch comment does? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:44 PM |
#99 |
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They were out to destroy anything close to a viable public option. They succeeded. |
ipaint |
Nov-07-09 11:41 AM |
#48 |
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DING! DING! DING! DING! |
SKKY |
Nov-07-09 01:18 PM |
#119 |
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They're just complaining about being thrown in the briar patch at this point. |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 05:15 PM |
#169 |
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"Red herring" "bait-and-switch" familiar with the terms? |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-07-09 09:12 PM |
#184 |
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Egads |
sandnsea |
Nov-07-09 09:14 AM |
#4 |
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That was my understanding of it too unless something changed. |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 09:19 AM |
#6 |
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I'm glad you don't have a vote. nt |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Nov-07-09 09:17 AM |
#5 |
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Neither do you. |
arcadian |
Nov-07-09 09:45 AM |
#23 |
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True. Things are looking good in Congress, tho'... so YAY!! nt |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#47 |
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this thing based more or less on the Mass. model is just awful.nt |
xchrom |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#7 |
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People who can't get insurance now will thank you for your idealism |
frazzled |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#9 |
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I know I was shocked to learn that you could be turned down for a |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 09:24 AM |
#12 |
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Or turned down for being an HIV risk because you were raped and a dr gave you anti-AIDS meds. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:26 AM |
#15 |
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The anti-choice crowd knows something that progressives don't. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-07-09 09:25 AM |
#13 |
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and what then? |
nemo137 |
Nov-08-09 08:04 AM |
#191 |
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If it is good enough for Alan Grayson, it is good enough for me. |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 09:28 AM |
#16 |
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And that dirty, rotten corporatist Howard Dean! |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:30 AM |
#17 |
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Next you should call him a "DLCer". |
argonaut |
Nov-07-09 09:39 AM |
#19 |
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A corporatist AND a DLCer? That would make my progressive gonads WAY too hot and bothered. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:43 AM |
#22 |
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Actually, Dean said it should be passed. |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 09:43 AM |
#21 |
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you know...I remember Conyers saying |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 11:01 AM |
#32 |
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Oh great! |
nevergiveup |
Nov-07-09 09:47 AM |
#24 |
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+1 n/t |
firedupdem |
Nov-07-09 10:22 AM |
#26 |
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Well said! nt |
babylonsister |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#45 |
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Thank you for writing |
Cha |
Nov-07-09 01:47 PM |
#132 |
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Its one thing to say that you against the legislation |
grantcart |
Nov-07-09 10:29 AM |
#27 |
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don't expect reason from those who oppose the bill, they have none |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:40 PM |
#95 |
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Thanks for helping kill me off! |
dave29 |
Nov-07-09 10:43 AM |
#28 |
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I have a question about this health care reform... |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 10:55 AM |
#30 |
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It is a catch22 there needs to be a mandate. The way I understood it is that you were fined. |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 10:59 AM |
#31 |
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No, her kids will have insurance if they are lucky enough to have their parents foot the bill |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 11:11 AM |
#35 |
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IF that IS the case, then I am against it, period... |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 12:12 PM |
#71 |
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Yeah, I don't know anyone who opts out of insurance just because they can either. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 12:19 PM |
#74 |
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wonderful...and here I was hoping I had misunderstood....n/t |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 12:37 PM |
#93 |
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There are afordibility credits |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:30 PM |
#126 |
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well there are fines for not buying insurance |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:51 PM |
#101 |
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The point is....if even ONE does.... |
windbreeze |
Nov-08-09 12:44 AM |
#188 |
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Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater |
Politicub |
Nov-07-09 11:04 AM |
#33 |
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I agree with Cali today. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 11:08 AM |
#34 |
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I don't--this is basically an experiment, and I want to see how it works. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 11:18 AM |
#37 |
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Its just a stepping stone |
BootinUp |
Nov-07-09 11:24 AM |
#39 |
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+1 |
Oregone |
Nov-07-09 11:25 AM |
#40 |
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jeez! I don't wish for the dem defeat. nt |
cry baby |
Nov-07-09 11:26 AM |
#41 |
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It failing isn't going to help it become a better bill. More of a delay and it |
Thrill |
Nov-07-09 11:34 AM |
#43 |
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Yay, that's the spirit! Let's stop 40 years worth of progress |
impik |
Nov-07-09 11:37 AM |
#44 |
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You moron! Abortion rights have been reduced for many years now |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:06 PM |
#110 |
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If this bill crashes and burns, we will get absolutely nothing for another 20 years. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#46 |
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Why 20 years? Why not just go back to congress and keep working until it gets done right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:46 AM |
#50 |
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If you haven't noticed that is exactly what was being done after |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#54 |
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You really think Congress is going to turn around and try again after that kind of embarassment? |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#56 |
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So if DEMS had opposed invading Iraq, the GOP would have had to wait 20 years to invade? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:55 AM |
#61 |
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Not a heck of a lot of Dems opposed the invasion of Iraq. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#67 |
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Voters oppose both wars now. Something tells me it wont be "20 years" before both get more funding. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:21 PM |
#76 |
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Exactly. Once a bill is passed it can always be fixed but if it doesn't pass noone will want to |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 11:57 AM |
#64 |
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Who is the " no one" in your statement? Blue Dogs? DLCers? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:25 PM |
#80 |
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It will need to get in line behind nafta, welfare reform and deregulation. |
ipaint |
Nov-07-09 03:25 PM |
#162 |
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I lurked here for a long time before joining and posting only recently. |
branders seine |
Nov-07-09 11:44 AM |
#49 |
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Yeah, I gotta agree. |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:47 AM |
#51 |
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Why 20 years? Who made the rule that we cant go back every day, every week until we get it right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#53 |
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Because they won't let it come to the floor in that length of time |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:53 AM |
#60 |
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Who would kill the debate? Blue Dogs & DLCers? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:58 AM |
#65 |
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If you've been paying attention, the DLCers have already fucked over |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 12:06 PM |
#70 |
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And I'll bet DLCers are also propagating the "20 years" excuse too. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:17 PM |
#73 |
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Are you implying that I'm a DLCer? |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 12:29 PM |
#85 |
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No-I'm implying that the DLC/Blue Dogs/etc. likes & benefits from the Catch-22 they created |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:35 PM |
#90 |
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Your fear is very much justified. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 01:09 PM |
#112 |
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In other words, the DLC & Blue Dogs will force us to wait 20 years if we dont do what they say. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#115 |
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Brilliant. You have your pick then between the Repub healthcare plan or the status quo. |
vaberella |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#52 |
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Seriously, why cant we go back & work on the bill for a a few more days/weeks until we get it right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#55 |
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The reason this struggle to pass is because of bluedogs and Repubs. |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 11:56 AM |
#62 |
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So we admit that it is DEMOCRATS who would hold it up for 20 years- good to know. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#68 |
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Then we will get completely wiped out in 2010. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 11:52 AM |
#58 |
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Not if we pass a better bill before the midterms. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:53 AM |
#59 |
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A "better" bill for most DUers equals a more generous, wide-coverage public option bill, right? |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#69 |
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I dont like the mandate, and I dont want to wait "20 years" to remove it. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:14 PM |
#72 |
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I haven't said anything about 20 years--I don't believe it has to be that way. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 12:27 PM |
#81 |
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So we dont have to be wiped out in 2010- we could still pass a strong bill b/f then... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:28 PM |
#84 |
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It's too late in the process to start over again. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:54 PM |
#105 |
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Who said anything about "starting over"- I suggest we continue the momentum... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:01 PM |
#107 |
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Social Security, incidentally, was a lousy program compared to what it is now. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:54 PM |
#104 |
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Good to know. I still think that we could craft a better bill than this in the next few days/weeks |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:02 PM |
#108 |
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That is naive to say the least. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:35 PM |
#89 |
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Our Blue Dog Masters would never allow it, and our "leadership" wont make them compromise. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:36 PM |
#92 |
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So you would rather that we fail now, lose the 2010 elections, and try again some 6 election |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:52 PM |
#102 |
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No-I'd rather see some work ethic on the part of DEMS. Who said we have to fail? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:56 PM |
#106 |
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Bottom line is you should not reward someone for criminal behavior |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 11:57 AM |
#63 |
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The problem is that pedohiles have not been generating profits for conservatives |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:08 PM |
#111 |
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I'm not happy with it one bit, but I think it has to pass as a first step toward |
Vinca |
Nov-07-09 12:20 PM |
#75 |
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why even pretend to be sorry? luckily, you have no say in the matter |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:21 PM |
#77 |
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"The public option covers practically no one." Nonsense. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 12:23 PM |
#78 |
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Thank god you arent voting |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:25 PM |
#79 |
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So you joined the purist bedwetters and the Party of No. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-07-09 12:32 PM |
#87 |
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whiners never prosper. if some people don't get their pony, they don't want anyone to get one |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:36 PM |
#91 |
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Sounds exactly like something Rush Limabugh would say. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:44 PM |
#98 |
| -
you mean the OP sounds like something Rush would do. |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 01:59 PM |
#138 |
| -
DLC talking points and Rush Limbaugh's insults sound exactly alike- that is what I meant. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:46 PM |
#156 |
| -
the OP wants it to fail. you seemed to be defending this position. |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 02:58 PM |
#159 |
| -
I'll bet the OP would be fine with a good bill being passed before the midterms. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 03:08 PM |
#160 |
| -
you are silly if you think that this bill could fail, and there would be another chance for HCR |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 04:27 PM |
#166 |
| -
Yeah....you're sorry in this case.... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-07-09 12:48 PM |
#100 |
| -
12 million Americans will remain without health care under this bill, and... |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:04 PM |
#109 |
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42 million more Americans, or nearly 300 million, are covered under this bill n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#114 |
| -
No, you are forcing people to purchase insurance under this bill |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:14 PM |
#117 |
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Nonsense. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:28 PM |
#125 |
| -
It does people no good to have insurance if |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 01:33 PM |
#128 |
| -
You are basing your assumption on the existing system. |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:52 PM |
#135 |
| -
I am basing my "assumption" on experience. |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 02:08 PM |
#146 |
| -
Good thing that the reform measures likely enables them to be able to pay it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 02:04 PM |
#142 |
| -
It won't. |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 02:11 PM |
#147 |
| -
Its forcing the industry to actually cover people, forcing them to not drop people... |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:31 PM |
#127 |
| -
It forces customers into their industry, saving them from competing w/ a strong PO for customers. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:35 PM |
#152 |
| -
Y'know Cali |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 01:15 PM |
#118 |
| -
No more ore existing conditions, no more dropping coverage |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 02:00 PM |
#139 |
| -
Those two things alone will help me |
prolesunited |
Nov-07-09 04:11 PM |
#164 |
| -
At what expense? |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 10:31 PM |
#187 |
| -
I Agree With Ya Cali... Dump This.. Start Over n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-07-09 04:24 PM |
#165 |
| -
Agreed. |
Bonobo |
Nov-07-09 01:28 PM |
#124 |
| -
Agreed |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#134 |
| -
This bill is crap and if it passes, the politicians will bury this issue and we will never ... |
invictus |
Nov-07-09 02:08 PM |
#145 |
| -
That's right |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 05:18 PM |
#170 |
| -
That means you favor a totally pointless political death |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-07-09 02:37 PM |
#154 |
| -
Why? Could we not come up with a better bill in the next few days or weeks? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:51 PM |
#158 |
| -
No...HCR is all-consuming and leadership would conclude there would be no appetite for a do-over |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-07-09 03:23 PM |
#161 |
| -
When you ask questions like this... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-07-09 04:43 PM |
#167 |
| -
We can't even wait until next year because the beginning of the year must be consumed with the |
ncteechur |
Nov-07-09 08:31 PM |
#178 |
| -
First AllentownJake, now you |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 02:39 PM |
#155 |
| -
Hey there friend |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 07:11 PM |
#173 |
| -
Just paying attention |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 07:18 PM |
#174 |
| -
You gotta list? |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 07:21 PM |
#175 |
| -
I don't need a list |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 08:30 PM |
#177 |
| -
I sure wish people had SOME idea how a bill... |
YvonneCa |
Nov-07-09 02:50 PM |
#157 |
| -
I think this is a start and once it's through then we can start building |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Nov-07-09 03:50 PM |
#163 |
| -
You think they are going to cobble together 218 for single payer when they can barely get 218 for |
ncteechur |
Nov-07-09 05:12 PM |
#168 |
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I don't want it to crash, sorry. |
Akoto |
Nov-07-09 05:22 PM |
#171 |
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As someone who has a preexisting condition I say no thanks on "waiting" for a new bill. |
Jennicut |
Nov-07-09 07:54 PM |
#176 |
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Hello fellow preexisting condition. |
vaberella |
Nov-07-09 08:37 PM |
#180 |
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hey vabrella! |
Jennicut |
Nov-07-09 08:52 PM |
#181 |
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I know and understand everything you're going through. |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 06:31 AM |
#190 |
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A lot of those opposing the bill don't have these sorts of problems and instead |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 09:19 PM |
#186 |
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And it makes no sense. |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 06:27 AM |
#189 |
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Amazing how fellow Democrats want those of us with pre-existing conditions |
dave29 |
Nov-08-09 12:20 PM |
#195 |
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that would perhaps be convincing if we didn't have the screwed up system we have |
CreekDog |
Nov-07-09 08:33 PM |
#179 |
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I agree. |
joeycola |
Nov-07-09 08:55 PM |
#182 |
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Shadegg voted present at the same time the CSPAN announcer said he wouldn't. |
LLStarks |
Nov-07-09 09:16 PM |
#185 |
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K & R |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 08:32 AM |
#192 |
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When you say fuck the legislation |
POAS |
Nov-08-09 09:01 AM |
#194 |
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I agree with you... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-08-09 12:44 PM |
#196 |
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