| 148. I dont feel I'm lying when I say that they are still getting something out of this... |
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...when they could have gotten nothing, or less.
Why even take a chance with these crooks, or give them any benefit of the doubt at all?
Let them fend for themselves and compete with a strong public option, without giving away guranteed, mandated customers to them.
It's a give away- we are "giving away" mandated customers to them instead of making cultivate their own customers by competing against a strong PO.
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| -I'm sorry to say it but I want this healthcare legislation to crash and burn |
cali |
Nov-07-09 09:08 AM |
#0 |
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Agreed |
Autumn |
Nov-07-09 09:11 AM |
#1 |
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Take a deep breath and see what comes out of Conference. |
jasi2006 |
Nov-07-09 07:04 PM |
#172 |
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Yes. Let's wait for 20-25 years to see if it really works or not. Let's wait. |
FormerDittoHead |
Nov-08-09 08:54 AM |
#193 |
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Yeah, I agree too... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Nov-07-09 09:12 AM |
#2 |
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Boy, for it being a "giveaway" to insurance companies, the ins. companies sure are against it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:14 AM |
#3 |
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I just talked to an friend who works for a health insurance company |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#8 |
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Yea and I have asked the question to a few DUers making such claims and none answer it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:22 AM |
#11 |
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Try asking a question in good faith then. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 11:15 AM |
#36 |
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I had an OP that asked why health insurance stocks are underperforming the S&P |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#57 |
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There could be a lot of reasons for stock going down. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#66 |
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Stocks at a glance.... |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:23 PM |
#121 |
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you know better than to expect a well articulated response from them |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:37 PM |
#94 |
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you DLC corporatist bankster lover, you |
dionysus |
Nov-07-09 02:32 PM |
#151 |
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Because that is how you play the negotiation game. |
phantom power |
Nov-07-09 09:21 AM |
#10 |
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That not an answer. Thats a cop out to side step the question. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:25 AM |
#14 |
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Of course it's an answer. You might disagree with it. |
phantom power |
Nov-07-09 09:37 AM |
#18 |
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No, its a convoluted conspiracy theory that does not actually answer my valid question. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:42 AM |
#20 |
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Just b/c they oppose it does not mean they wont come out better than middle class voters. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:29 AM |
#42 |
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just curious how do you get people covered without mandating coverage? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:28 PM |
#83 |
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The same way we pay for multi-billion dollar, unpopular wars based on lies? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:33 PM |
#88 |
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Was that supposed to be an answer? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:43 PM |
#97 |
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Not "an" answer- but "the" answer. Yes, taxes pay for public projects. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:52 PM |
#103 |
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Well i dont think you are thinking this through |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#116 |
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So Obama and the DEMS will be breaking their promise? I guess they didn't think that through. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:21 PM |
#120 |
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I dont understand what you are saying . |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:27 PM |
#123 |
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Sure- you do- I'm saying we should raise taxes on the top 1%. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:38 PM |
#130 |
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So in other words you want a pony. |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:46 PM |
#131 |
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So , in other words, you want "ponies" for the Corporations and the ultra rich. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:04 PM |
#141 |
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Taxes are mandates |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 02:06 PM |
#144 |
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Fine- then let's "mandate" that the top 1% pay raised taxes in order to help fund HC. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:15 PM |
#149 |
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Increased taxes on >$500,000 a year. It's already in the bill. |
boppers |
Nov-07-09 08:58 PM |
#183 |
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No its still not a give away. Not when you consider what we will also require of the corporations. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:11 PM |
#113 |
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They will be making their profits, instead of the money going back into the system. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:27 PM |
#122 |
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I don't have a problem with profits as long as people get covered |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:34 PM |
#129 |
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I do. I'd rather the "profits" go back into the system, not into the pockets of the gougers. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#133 |
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Its dishonest to call it a give away because the companies stand to lose more than they gain. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 02:03 PM |
#140 |
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I dont feel I'm lying when I say that they are still getting something out of this... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:11 PM |
#148 |
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Is public option out of the bill? nt |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:59 PM |
#137 |
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Was a strong PO that I qualify for ever in any viable bill? n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:19 PM |
#150 |
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+100 |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:27 PM |
#82 |
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single payer never had the votes. i don't understand why people cannot grasp this. |
dionysus |
Nov-07-09 02:36 PM |
#153 |
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Wouldnt they oppose ANYTHING that is percieved as taking even the slightest amt. of power from them? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:24 AM |
#38 |
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Makes sense, otherwise why spend so much opposing it? |
lyonn |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#136 |
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B/c they prefer the status quo to what still amounts to a give away. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:05 PM |
#143 |
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theatre.... n/t |
nebenaube |
Nov-07-09 10:21 AM |
#25 |
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Its the "Don't throw me in the Briar Patch" strategy.. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 10:51 AM |
#29 |
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right cause people are making their decisions based on insurance companies reactions |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:30 PM |
#86 |
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See posts 8 and 11 this thread. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 12:42 PM |
#96 |
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but the Briar patch comment does? |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:44 PM |
#99 |
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They were out to destroy anything close to a viable public option. They succeeded. |
ipaint |
Nov-07-09 11:41 AM |
#48 |
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DING! DING! DING! DING! |
SKKY |
Nov-07-09 01:18 PM |
#119 |
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They're just complaining about being thrown in the briar patch at this point. |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 05:15 PM |
#169 |
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"Red herring" "bait-and-switch" familiar with the terms? |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-07-09 09:12 PM |
#184 |
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Egads |
sandnsea |
Nov-07-09 09:14 AM |
#4 |
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That was my understanding of it too unless something changed. |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 09:19 AM |
#6 |
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I'm glad you don't have a vote. nt |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Nov-07-09 09:17 AM |
#5 |
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Neither do you. |
arcadian |
Nov-07-09 09:45 AM |
#23 |
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True. Things are looking good in Congress, tho'... so YAY!! nt |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#47 |
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this thing based more or less on the Mass. model is just awful.nt |
xchrom |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#7 |
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People who can't get insurance now will thank you for your idealism |
frazzled |
Nov-07-09 09:20 AM |
#9 |
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I know I was shocked to learn that you could be turned down for a |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 09:24 AM |
#12 |
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Or turned down for being an HIV risk because you were raped and a dr gave you anti-AIDS meds. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:26 AM |
#15 |
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The anti-choice crowd knows something that progressives don't. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-07-09 09:25 AM |
#13 |
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and what then? |
nemo137 |
Nov-08-09 08:04 AM |
#191 |
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If it is good enough for Alan Grayson, it is good enough for me. |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 09:28 AM |
#16 |
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And that dirty, rotten corporatist Howard Dean! |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:30 AM |
#17 |
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Next you should call him a "DLCer". |
argonaut |
Nov-07-09 09:39 AM |
#19 |
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A corporatist AND a DLCer? That would make my progressive gonads WAY too hot and bothered. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 09:43 AM |
#22 |
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Actually, Dean said it should be passed. |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 09:43 AM |
#21 |
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you know...I remember Conyers saying |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 11:01 AM |
#32 |
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Oh great! |
nevergiveup |
Nov-07-09 09:47 AM |
#24 |
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+1 n/t |
firedupdem |
Nov-07-09 10:22 AM |
#26 |
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Well said! nt |
babylonsister |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#45 |
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Thank you for writing |
Cha |
Nov-07-09 01:47 PM |
#132 |
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Its one thing to say that you against the legislation |
grantcart |
Nov-07-09 10:29 AM |
#27 |
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don't expect reason from those who oppose the bill, they have none |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:40 PM |
#95 |
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Thanks for helping kill me off! |
dave29 |
Nov-07-09 10:43 AM |
#28 |
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I have a question about this health care reform... |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 10:55 AM |
#30 |
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It is a catch22 there needs to be a mandate. The way I understood it is that you were fined. |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 10:59 AM |
#31 |
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No, her kids will have insurance if they are lucky enough to have their parents foot the bill |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 11:11 AM |
#35 |
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IF that IS the case, then I am against it, period... |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 12:12 PM |
#71 |
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Yeah, I don't know anyone who opts out of insurance just because they can either. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 12:19 PM |
#74 |
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wonderful...and here I was hoping I had misunderstood....n/t |
windbreeze |
Nov-07-09 12:37 PM |
#93 |
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There are afordibility credits |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:30 PM |
#126 |
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well there are fines for not buying insurance |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:51 PM |
#101 |
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The point is....if even ONE does.... |
windbreeze |
Nov-08-09 12:44 AM |
#188 |
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Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater |
Politicub |
Nov-07-09 11:04 AM |
#33 |
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I agree with Cali today. |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 11:08 AM |
#34 |
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I don't--this is basically an experiment, and I want to see how it works. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 11:18 AM |
#37 |
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Its just a stepping stone |
BootinUp |
Nov-07-09 11:24 AM |
#39 |
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+1 |
Oregone |
Nov-07-09 11:25 AM |
#40 |
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jeez! I don't wish for the dem defeat. nt |
cry baby |
Nov-07-09 11:26 AM |
#41 |
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It failing isn't going to help it become a better bill. More of a delay and it |
Thrill |
Nov-07-09 11:34 AM |
#43 |
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Yay, that's the spirit! Let's stop 40 years worth of progress |
impik |
Nov-07-09 11:37 AM |
#44 |
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You moron! Abortion rights have been reduced for many years now |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:06 PM |
#110 |
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If this bill crashes and burns, we will get absolutely nothing for another 20 years. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#46 |
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Why 20 years? Why not just go back to congress and keep working until it gets done right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:46 AM |
#50 |
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If you haven't noticed that is exactly what was being done after |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#54 |
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You really think Congress is going to turn around and try again after that kind of embarassment? |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#56 |
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So if DEMS had opposed invading Iraq, the GOP would have had to wait 20 years to invade? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:55 AM |
#61 |
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Not a heck of a lot of Dems opposed the invasion of Iraq. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#67 |
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Voters oppose both wars now. Something tells me it wont be "20 years" before both get more funding. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:21 PM |
#76 |
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Exactly. Once a bill is passed it can always be fixed but if it doesn't pass noone will want to |
Kdillard |
Nov-07-09 11:57 AM |
#64 |
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Who is the " no one" in your statement? Blue Dogs? DLCers? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:25 PM |
#80 |
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It will need to get in line behind nafta, welfare reform and deregulation. |
ipaint |
Nov-07-09 03:25 PM |
#162 |
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I lurked here for a long time before joining and posting only recently. |
branders seine |
Nov-07-09 11:44 AM |
#49 |
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Yeah, I gotta agree. |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:47 AM |
#51 |
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Why 20 years? Who made the rule that we cant go back every day, every week until we get it right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#53 |
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Because they won't let it come to the floor in that length of time |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 11:53 AM |
#60 |
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Who would kill the debate? Blue Dogs & DLCers? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:58 AM |
#65 |
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If you've been paying attention, the DLCers have already fucked over |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 12:06 PM |
#70 |
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And I'll bet DLCers are also propagating the "20 years" excuse too. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:17 PM |
#73 |
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Are you implying that I'm a DLCer? |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 12:29 PM |
#85 |
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No-I'm implying that the DLC/Blue Dogs/etc. likes & benefits from the Catch-22 they created |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:35 PM |
#90 |
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Your fear is very much justified. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-07-09 01:09 PM |
#112 |
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In other words, the DLC & Blue Dogs will force us to wait 20 years if we dont do what they say. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#115 |
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Brilliant. You have your pick then between the Repub healthcare plan or the status quo. |
vaberella |
Nov-07-09 11:49 AM |
#52 |
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Seriously, why cant we go back & work on the bill for a a few more days/weeks until we get it right? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:51 AM |
#55 |
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The reason this struggle to pass is because of bluedogs and Repubs. |
skipos |
Nov-07-09 11:56 AM |
#62 |
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So we admit that it is DEMOCRATS who would hold it up for 20 years- good to know. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#68 |
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Then we will get completely wiped out in 2010. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 11:52 AM |
#58 |
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Not if we pass a better bill before the midterms. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:53 AM |
#59 |
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A "better" bill for most DUers equals a more generous, wide-coverage public option bill, right? |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 12:04 PM |
#69 |
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I dont like the mandate, and I dont want to wait "20 years" to remove it. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:14 PM |
#72 |
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I haven't said anything about 20 years--I don't believe it has to be that way. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-07-09 12:27 PM |
#81 |
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So we dont have to be wiped out in 2010- we could still pass a strong bill b/f then... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:28 PM |
#84 |
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It's too late in the process to start over again. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:54 PM |
#105 |
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Who said anything about "starting over"- I suggest we continue the momentum... |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:01 PM |
#107 |
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Social Security, incidentally, was a lousy program compared to what it is now. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:54 PM |
#104 |
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Good to know. I still think that we could craft a better bill than this in the next few days/weeks |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:02 PM |
#108 |
| -
That is naive to say the least. |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:35 PM |
#89 |
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Our Blue Dog Masters would never allow it, and our "leadership" wont make them compromise. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:36 PM |
#92 |
| -
So you would rather that we fail now, lose the 2010 elections, and try again some 6 election |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 12:52 PM |
#102 |
| -
No-I'd rather see some work ethic on the part of DEMS. Who said we have to fail? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:56 PM |
#106 |
| -
Bottom line is you should not reward someone for criminal behavior |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 11:57 AM |
#63 |
| -
The problem is that pedohiles have not been generating profits for conservatives |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 01:08 PM |
#111 |
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I'm not happy with it one bit, but I think it has to pass as a first step toward |
Vinca |
Nov-07-09 12:20 PM |
#75 |
| -
why even pretend to be sorry? luckily, you have no say in the matter |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:21 PM |
#77 |
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"The public option covers practically no one." Nonsense. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 12:23 PM |
#78 |
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Thank god you arent voting |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 12:25 PM |
#79 |
| -
So you joined the purist bedwetters and the Party of No. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-07-09 12:32 PM |
#87 |
| -
whiners never prosper. if some people don't get their pony, they don't want anyone to get one |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 12:36 PM |
#91 |
| -
Sounds exactly like something Rush Limabugh would say. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 12:44 PM |
#98 |
| -
you mean the OP sounds like something Rush would do. |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 01:59 PM |
#138 |
| -
DLC talking points and Rush Limbaugh's insults sound exactly alike- that is what I meant. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:46 PM |
#156 |
| -
the OP wants it to fail. you seemed to be defending this position. |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 02:58 PM |
#159 |
| -
I'll bet the OP would be fine with a good bill being passed before the midterms. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 03:08 PM |
#160 |
| -
you are silly if you think that this bill could fail, and there would be another chance for HCR |
Aramchek |
Nov-07-09 04:27 PM |
#166 |
| -
Yeah....you're sorry in this case.... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-07-09 12:48 PM |
#100 |
| -
12 million Americans will remain without health care under this bill, and... |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:04 PM |
#109 |
| -
42 million more Americans, or nearly 300 million, are covered under this bill n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:13 PM |
#114 |
| -
No, you are forcing people to purchase insurance under this bill |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-07-09 01:14 PM |
#117 |
| -
Nonsense. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:28 PM |
#125 |
| -
It does people no good to have insurance if |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 01:33 PM |
#128 |
| -
You are basing your assumption on the existing system. |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 01:52 PM |
#135 |
| -
I am basing my "assumption" on experience. |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 02:08 PM |
#146 |
| -
Good thing that the reform measures likely enables them to be able to pay it. |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 02:04 PM |
#142 |
| -
It won't. |
cornermouse |
Nov-07-09 02:11 PM |
#147 |
| -
Its forcing the industry to actually cover people, forcing them to not drop people... |
phleshdef |
Nov-07-09 01:31 PM |
#127 |
| -
It forces customers into their industry, saving them from competing w/ a strong PO for customers. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:35 PM |
#152 |
| -
Y'know Cali |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 01:15 PM |
#118 |
| -
No more ore existing conditions, no more dropping coverage |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 02:00 PM |
#139 |
| -
Those two things alone will help me |
prolesunited |
Nov-07-09 04:11 PM |
#164 |
| -
At what expense? |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 10:31 PM |
#187 |
| -
I Agree With Ya Cali... Dump This.. Start Over n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-07-09 04:24 PM |
#165 |
| -
Agreed. |
Bonobo |
Nov-07-09 01:28 PM |
#124 |
| -
Agreed |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#134 |
| -
This bill is crap and if it passes, the politicians will bury this issue and we will never ... |
invictus |
Nov-07-09 02:08 PM |
#145 |
| -
That's right |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 05:18 PM |
#170 |
| -
That means you favor a totally pointless political death |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-07-09 02:37 PM |
#154 |
| -
Why? Could we not come up with a better bill in the next few days or weeks? |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 02:51 PM |
#158 |
| -
No...HCR is all-consuming and leadership would conclude there would be no appetite for a do-over |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-07-09 03:23 PM |
#161 |
| -
When you ask questions like this... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-07-09 04:43 PM |
#167 |
| -
We can't even wait until next year because the beginning of the year must be consumed with the |
ncteechur |
Nov-07-09 08:31 PM |
#178 |
| -
First AllentownJake, now you |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 02:39 PM |
#155 |
| -
Hey there friend |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 07:11 PM |
#173 |
| -
Just paying attention |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 07:18 PM |
#174 |
| -
You gotta list? |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 07:21 PM |
#175 |
| -
I don't need a list |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 08:30 PM |
#177 |
| -
I sure wish people had SOME idea how a bill... |
YvonneCa |
Nov-07-09 02:50 PM |
#157 |
| -
I think this is a start and once it's through then we can start building |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Nov-07-09 03:50 PM |
#163 |
| -
You think they are going to cobble together 218 for single payer when they can barely get 218 for |
ncteechur |
Nov-07-09 05:12 PM |
#168 |
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I don't want it to crash, sorry. |
Akoto |
Nov-07-09 05:22 PM |
#171 |
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As someone who has a preexisting condition I say no thanks on "waiting" for a new bill. |
Jennicut |
Nov-07-09 07:54 PM |
#176 |
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Hello fellow preexisting condition. |
vaberella |
Nov-07-09 08:37 PM |
#180 |
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hey vabrella! |
Jennicut |
Nov-07-09 08:52 PM |
#181 |
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I know and understand everything you're going through. |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 06:31 AM |
#190 |
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A lot of those opposing the bill don't have these sorts of problems and instead |
Zynx |
Nov-07-09 09:19 PM |
#186 |
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And it makes no sense. |
vaberella |
Nov-08-09 06:27 AM |
#189 |
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Amazing how fellow Democrats want those of us with pre-existing conditions |
dave29 |
Nov-08-09 12:20 PM |
#195 |
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that would perhaps be convincing if we didn't have the screwed up system we have |
CreekDog |
Nov-07-09 08:33 PM |
#179 |
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I agree. |
joeycola |
Nov-07-09 08:55 PM |
#182 |
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Shadegg voted present at the same time the CSPAN announcer said he wouldn't. |
LLStarks |
Nov-07-09 09:16 PM |
#185 |
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K & R |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 08:32 AM |
#192 |
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When you say fuck the legislation |
POAS |
Nov-08-09 09:01 AM |
#194 |
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I agree with you... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-08-09 12:44 PM |
#196 |
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