| 83. What is tiresome is the refusal to acknowledge the basic truths...Therefore.... |
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Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:29 PM by Armstead
...the basic warnings and expressions of opposition to the status quo have to be repeated to the point of tiresomeness.
The same "tiresome" progreessives made warnings during the 90's about things that have since come to pass.
Perhaps instead of automatically dismissing them now, centrists might actually benefit from having a dialogue.
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| -"Obama could have been a great, popular and heroic president" |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:07 AM |
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Can we see what the rest of his Presidency offers FIRST? |
liberal N proud |
Nov-06-09 11:09 AM |
#1 |
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I'll give you a preview |
izquierdista |
Nov-06-09 11:15 AM |
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+1 |
phantom power |
Nov-06-09 11:24 AM |
#24 |
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-2 |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-06-09 11:32 AM |
#34 |
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en guarde -- +3 ! |
phantom power |
Nov-06-09 11:33 AM |
#37 |
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+ 1 Magic Negro...... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-06-09 11:37 AM |
#43 |
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a/0 Point, set, match. Your move... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-07-09 12:53 AM |
#183 |
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The best indicator of future performance is past performance. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 11:36 AM |
#40 |
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No "boldness" or "fight"? He's a black man who is President of the United States, |
NYCGirl |
Nov-06-09 11:40 AM |
#47 |
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Because he's black, we should lower expectations??? He gets a pass??? |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:15 PM |
#70 |
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I'm talking about achieving amazingly DIFFICULT THINGS through boldness |
NYCGirl |
Nov-06-09 12:19 PM |
#71 |
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Of course it was. I just want him to fight for US as hard as he fought to get elected. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:22 PM |
#76 |
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Campaigning and governing are two different things. The GOP is great at |
NYCGirl |
Nov-06-09 12:23 PM |
#79 |
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+1 and YES, well said, and TRUE |
Dreamer Tatum |
Nov-06-09 02:51 PM |
#147 |
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Do you expect anything of anyone else, or do you pin your hopes |
treestar |
Nov-07-09 11:46 AM |
#191 |
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I think for him, an act of boldness or several acts of boldness of the kind |
Doremus |
Nov-06-09 04:40 PM |
#171 |
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Your avatar is my favorite on DU. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Nov-06-09 11:43 AM |
#51 |
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Thank you! He makes me smile every time I look at him. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:27 PM |
#82 |
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I voted for a president not a martyr. You don't need a different |
Fire1 |
Nov-06-09 11:58 AM |
#55 |
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Could be. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:11 PM |
#65 |
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You know shit. |
Cha |
Nov-06-09 12:11 PM |
#66 |
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And I see a lot of it |
izquierdista |
Nov-06-09 12:41 PM |
#93 |
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It must be disconcerting for you and your ilks |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 12:43 PM |
#96 |
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Less disconcerting than having Dimbulb Dubya in |
izquierdista |
Nov-06-09 12:55 PM |
#112 |
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Maybe McCain/Palin would have shut down Goldman Sachs, |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 01:14 PM |
#122 |
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Blinded |
izquierdista |
Nov-06-09 01:19 PM |
#123 |
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Resorting to vulgarity, I see.... |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 01:51 PM |
#132 |
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LOL |
treestar |
Nov-07-09 11:42 AM |
#189 |
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+2 |
GCP |
Nov-06-09 03:02 PM |
#155 |
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Why wait? |
atreides1 |
Nov-06-09 11:19 AM |
#19 |
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We're keeping our powder dry for when we really need it. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:32 AM |
#35 |
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Well, you will just have to wait..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-06-09 11:35 AM |
#39 |
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The destructive policies put in place by Reagan/Bush1 AND Clinton befofre W |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 12:04 PM |
#62 |
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Maybe you would like more of the bu$h years? |
liberal N proud |
Nov-06-09 12:22 PM |
#77 |
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You are who Green was talking about when he said, |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 12:28 PM |
#84 |
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And those who complain about Obama will be responsible for the next |
liberal N proud |
Nov-06-09 12:38 PM |
#88 |
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Obama and the corporacrats will be responsible for that. |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 12:53 PM |
#109 |
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"Centrists" never take personal responsibility for their constant failures. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:40 AM |
#186 |
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True in the sense that- Liberals always get blamed for centrist failures. |
Dr Fate |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#185 |
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To hell with a "bank." The stimulus should have been much |
Fire1 |
Nov-06-09 12:24 PM |
#80 |
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The stimulus would have been much larger and targeted people if |
liberal N proud |
Nov-06-09 12:39 PM |
#91 |
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I totally agree. They bitched about what we DID get. n/t |
Fire1 |
Nov-06-09 12:55 PM |
#113 |
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He didn't capitalize on his honeymoon period when the most daring |
Peregrine Took |
Nov-06-09 11:42 AM |
#50 |
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I think he saw what Clinton did with DADT and decided to proceed with extreme caution. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:26 PM |
#81 |
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Yeah, but look at the ones who |
Cha |
Nov-06-09 12:20 PM |
#73 |
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"The ones who always want what they can't have so they bring their whining hate" +10 |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:48 PM |
#102 |
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No, i will not read the rest of this crap |
impik |
Nov-06-09 12:52 PM |
#107 |
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Those four years went by so fast, I didn't even realize they happened-- |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-06-09 11:09 AM |
#2 |
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Am I in Freeperville? nt |
jezebel |
Nov-06-09 11:09 AM |
#3 |
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Yes, you either love everything Obama does or you're a Freeper. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 12:19 PM |
#72 |
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ok, an adult would realize the OP is a clown who posts 3+ smear pieces a day |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:43 PM |
#95 |
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Wiser to stop demonizing the messenger and READ the article. nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 12:46 PM |
#101 |
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i read that pile of steaming shit. you can side with one of the most obvious trolls DU has ever had |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:55 PM |
#114 |
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I don't pay attention to the poster, but the post. I agree with the points made... |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 12:56 PM |
#115 |
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If it were up to me, anyone on DU who ever again uses the word "freeper" on |
salguine |
Nov-06-09 01:49 PM |
#131 |
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If I had super powers... |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-07-09 12:07 AM |
#181 |
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My goodness, ... |
uponit7771 |
Nov-06-09 11:09 AM |
#4 |
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"masterful Republican administrations" ? |
Gidney N Cloyd |
Nov-06-09 11:11 AM |
#5 |
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Read the complete article so that you can understand the writers points. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:18 AM |
#17 |
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Wow, his term's over already? |
Richardo |
Nov-06-09 11:12 AM |
#6 |
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Obama has been weak, the repukes and corporacrats have punked him at |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 11:12 AM |
#7 |
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I think that has happened a couple of times. But I think he has a learning curve. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-06-09 11:25 AM |
#26 |
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ROFL you see what you want to see, i'll tell you that. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:49 PM |
#103 |
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once again you choose not to follow posting rules just to lash out at Obama |
Aramchek |
Nov-06-09 11:12 AM |
#8 |
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I know some here believe being critical of the President is hating |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 11:22 AM |
#23 |
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BS. the OP has it out for Obama regardless of what he does |
Aramchek |
Nov-06-09 11:33 AM |
#36 |
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+1 |
azmouse |
Nov-06-09 11:38 AM |
#44 |
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His postings are meant to hold Obama accountable. |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 11:41 AM |
#49 |
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ridiculous! Obama doesn't read DU. The posts are flames for those who support Obama here |
Aramchek |
Nov-06-09 11:45 AM |
#52 |
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David Michael Green's credibility as a leftist (a progressive) are not in question here. |
Laelth |
Nov-06-09 12:01 PM |
#57 |
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Bullshit!!! |
Baltoman991 |
Nov-06-09 12:02 PM |
#59 |
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i'll celebrate when he gets the well earned 'stone |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:39 PM |
#90 |
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+1 |
Egnever |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#195 |
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ROFL |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:44 PM |
#97 |
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bullshit. and you're one of the ones who constantly say he sucks. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:45 PM |
#100 |
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how can he "half-ass" legislation written by the legislative branch? apparently you have no inkling |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:50 PM |
#104 |
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waaaaaah! |
azmouse |
Nov-06-09 11:12 AM |
#9 |
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LOL! |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-06-09 11:16 AM |
#16 |
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Hahahahahahaha |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 11:27 AM |
#29 |
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+1 |
Lord Helmet |
Nov-06-09 11:28 AM |
#31 |
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Oh geez.. out with the black crepe again.. |
Peacetrain |
Nov-06-09 11:13 AM |
#10 |
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To the first 4 posters. Please read the article before you comment on it. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:13 AM |
#11 |
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no one buys your transparent act. jesus christ, you really think you fool anyone here? |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:51 PM |
#106 |
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Scary true and surprisingly hilarious: WTFU Obama and push a robust Public Option! |
ShortnFiery |
Nov-06-09 11:14 AM |
#12 |
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Yeah, that's why a recent poll showed 40% think he's "too liberal" |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-06-09 11:15 AM |
#14 |
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That's because, as the writer pointed out, Obama has allowed himself to be defined by Republicans! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:21 AM |
#21 |
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The final 3 paragraphs are good warning. |
phantom power |
Nov-06-09 11:26 AM |
#27 |
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"successful American presidents were the ones who brought a vision to the table, and fought for it" |
phantom power |
Nov-06-09 11:15 AM |
#15 |
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Read the whole article and this Green is an idiot |
livetohike |
Nov-06-09 11:18 AM |
#18 |
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It's a warning ... |
earthside |
Nov-06-09 11:27 AM |
#30 |
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So you think all of us DU'ers were a bunch of idiots in 2001? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 11:29 AM |
#32 |
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"So those who called George W. Bush names early in his Presidency are also idiots according to you." |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 11:37 AM |
#41 |
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what was your username in 2001? did it get tombstoned?? |
Aramchek |
Nov-06-09 11:48 AM |
#53 |
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+1 Good point. n/t |
Laelth |
Nov-06-09 12:02 PM |
#58 |
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Hahahahaha... |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 12:22 PM |
#78 |
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Glad you like the sig. line. |
Laelth |
Nov-06-09 12:34 PM |
#85 |
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I don't. |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 12:39 PM |
#89 |
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I am not your enemy, redqueen. |
Laelth |
Nov-06-09 12:45 PM |
#99 |
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I don't consider people I disagree with to be 'enemies'. |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 12:51 PM |
#105 |
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YES YOU DO! |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 02:58 PM |
#152 |
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LOL... no I don't! |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 03:12 PM |
#157 |
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a truce... |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 03:21 PM |
#159 |
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You offer a glitter thingy as a truce? |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 03:29 PM |
#163 |
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ok there you go |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 03:33 PM |
#164 |
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I like that second one... |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 03:43 PM |
#167 |
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wooooooopeeee |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 04:40 PM |
#170 |
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well, you sure are now, so you probably were then. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:41 PM |
#92 |
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"In 2010 and again in 2012, they will be smashed by angry voters demanding that something be done" |
phantom power |
Nov-06-09 11:20 AM |
#20 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-06-09 11:22 AM |
#22 |
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... |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 11:38 AM |
#45 |
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I don't buy into this. Not so early. FDR was the Master and not a fair standard. |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-06-09 11:25 AM |
#25 |
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I miss the passion he had when he was the |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 11:26 AM |
#28 |
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Now that I can agree with a lttle bit. |
azmouse |
Nov-06-09 11:37 AM |
#42 |
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That show was amazing. |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 11:40 AM |
#48 |
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His health care speech in congress was |
impik |
Nov-06-09 05:46 PM |
#176 |
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Campaigning is not the same as governing. |
Beacool |
Nov-06-09 11:53 AM |
#54 |
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Right, there is a big difference, |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 12:00 PM |
#56 |
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Yes, she would have and she should have!! |
Beacool |
Nov-06-09 12:04 PM |
#61 |
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Simple |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 01:56 PM |
#134 |
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Thanks for your concern, |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 02:15 PM |
#139 |
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You may not |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 02:26 PM |
#141 |
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What!! You mean to tell me that there are people |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 02:36 PM |
#143 |
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C'mon sweetheart |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 02:51 PM |
#148 |
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You know sweetheart , I have NEVER seen anyone |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 03:01 PM |
#154 |
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You probably haven't |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 03:08 PM |
#156 |
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I'm doing a DU site search, but haven't found |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 03:34 PM |
#165 |
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Keep looking |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 03:38 PM |
#166 |
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No, but with that phrase your name comes up |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 03:44 PM |
#168 |
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blah... blah... blah... |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 04:42 PM |
#172 |
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Agree 99%. He could grow into those shoes, but he'd better hurry. |
tblue |
Nov-06-09 11:31 AM |
#33 |
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. |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-06-09 11:35 AM |
#38 |
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WHAT DID YOU DO TO KERRY'S HEAD?!? |
AspenRose |
Nov-06-09 04:05 PM |
#169 |
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"we have instead Mr. Rogers’ pet gerbil." |
Beacool |
Nov-06-09 11:38 AM |
#46 |
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That was funny, |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 12:03 PM |
#60 |
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I liked him too and also Shari Lewis. |
Beacool |
Nov-06-09 12:08 PM |
#64 |
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My God yes , I had |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 12:13 PM |
#68 |
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Kinda mean, but it did make me smile. I sure got the point. nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 12:53 PM |
#110 |
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Me too!!! |
Beacool |
Nov-06-09 01:53 PM |
#133 |
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Of course YOU'D find the humor in it |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-06-09 06:19 PM |
#177 |
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+1 David Michael Green is right, as usual. |
Laelth |
Nov-06-09 12:06 PM |
#63 |
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Another stupid fail push article from |
Cha |
Nov-06-09 12:12 PM |
#67 |
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Counterpunch is about as tiresome as they come. I am so sick of the overheated rhetoric |
emulatorloo |
Nov-06-09 12:14 PM |
#69 |
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What is tiresome is the refusal to acknowledge the basic truths...Therefore.... |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 12:28 PM |
#83 |
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Hyperbole doesn't help anybody's argument, whether it be Counterpunch or Michelle Malkin |
emulatorloo |
Nov-06-09 12:58 PM |
#117 |
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This article is hyperbolie...But "rational" attempts at discussion get ignored |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 02:54 PM |
#150 |
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the article basically calls obama a clueless fool, a dismal failure. if this is your "basic truth", |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:59 PM |
#118 |
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It is basically the same things that Limbaugh and his ilk say. |
emulatorloo |
Nov-06-09 01:04 PM |
#120 |
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No it is saying he has potential for greatness, but is squandering it |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 02:55 PM |
#151 |
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counterpunch lost me with an article on how terrible al gore is. they're a bunch of fools. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:58 PM |
#116 |
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SO FAR |
branders seine |
Nov-06-09 12:20 PM |
#74 |
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I think that way too - "SO FAR." There's time to turn it around if he wants to. nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 01:14 PM |
#121 |
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Is what he "wants" even relevant the way things actually work. |
branders seine |
Nov-07-09 11:32 AM |
#184 |
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REC I share the disappointment -- but he still has time. Cockeyed optimist. /nt |
philly_bob |
Nov-06-09 12:22 PM |
#75 |
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kick |
xchrom |
Nov-06-09 12:36 PM |
#86 |
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you never fail to sink to new flamebait lows. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 12:38 PM |
#87 |
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It's allowed so why would he stop? My 6 yr old nephew knows how |
firedupdem |
Nov-06-09 12:54 PM |
#111 |
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This is exactly how I see it and I hope and pray that the president soon understands... |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 12:42 PM |
#94 |
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What this guy doesn't get is that Obama isn't interested in being like those before him... |
SKKY |
Nov-06-09 12:45 PM |
#98 |
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There is no bipartisanship, only Dems caving to Republicans. nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 12:52 PM |
#108 |
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THANK YOU! |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 01:01 PM |
#119 |
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Well, what is your definition of bipartisanship then? |
SKKY |
Nov-06-09 01:20 PM |
#124 |
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The point is, ONLY the Dems are compromising. Republicans are standing fast... |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 01:24 PM |
#125 |
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No, we are watering down our bills for other Dems. |
Jennicut |
Nov-06-09 01:35 PM |
#127 |
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We don't need to water them down for Dems - polls show people in... |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 01:44 PM |
#129 |
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You think they care about the people in their districts/states? Joe Lieberman cares about me? |
Jennicut |
Nov-06-09 01:48 PM |
#130 |
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Like I said, those whoring for the industry should be called out by ALL of our leaders. nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 02:08 PM |
#138 |
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I was going to make the point that about the blue dogs and moderates.. |
SKKY |
Nov-06-09 03:00 PM |
#153 |
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I addressed that in #129 |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 03:14 PM |
#158 |
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Compromising with repukes even though they vote against every bill! |
ej510 |
Nov-06-09 02:05 PM |
#137 |
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I heartily recommend your |
Autumn |
Nov-06-09 03:21 PM |
#160 |
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"This guy is fast wearing out his welcome" |
Jennicut |
Nov-06-09 01:28 PM |
#126 |
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left wing tea baggers. and you wonder why republicans can win elections. |
dionysus |
Nov-06-09 01:35 PM |
#128 |
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What I really love is that he uses Lincoln as an example of a decisive president |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Nov-06-09 01:59 PM |
#135 |
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Well yeah, Lincoln fought to keep the Union together! |
Jennicut |
Nov-06-09 02:27 PM |
#142 |
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Green is verbose, as usual |
depakid |
Nov-06-09 01:59 PM |
#136 |
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Counterpunch is against Dems. The writer of the article calls Obama derogatory names |
jenmito |
Nov-06-09 02:25 PM |
#140 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-06-09 02:36 PM |
#144 |
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Really? Who would YOU have liked to see in the WH? |
jenmito |
Nov-06-09 02:48 PM |
#146 |
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This is an attempt to tie Obama with Carter |
Hutzpa |
Nov-06-09 02:45 PM |
#145 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-06-09 02:52 PM |
#149 |
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What's wrong with being tied to Carter? |
marshall |
Nov-06-09 03:23 PM |
#161 |
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Clinton doesn't think so. |
redqueen |
Nov-06-09 03:27 PM |
#162 |
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That chumminess makes me like Clinton much less... |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 05:27 PM |
#175 |
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That's the truth! nt |
polichick |
Nov-06-09 05:26 PM |
#174 |
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Blah, Blah, Blah. |
impik |
Nov-06-09 05:05 PM |
#173 |
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I suggest that the author file his name to run for President. Until then he can kiss my ass. |
ncteechur |
Nov-06-09 06:22 PM |
#178 |
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Yawn. Bash. Yawn. Fail. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-06-09 06:23 PM |
#179 |
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Paul Krugman: President Obama's actual actions on the economy were cautious rather than bold |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-09 10:47 PM |
#180 |
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More betrayal! More crap articles! It must be |
BklnDem75 |
Nov-07-09 12:22 AM |
#182 |
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David Michael Green could have been a great President |
treestar |
Nov-07-09 11:40 AM |
#187 |
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Perhaps President Obama should have hired him rather than Wall Street servants or |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-09 01:39 PM |
#193 |
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he has not been a leader, except while ensuring that |
branders seine |
Nov-07-09 11:42 AM |
#188 |
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Welcome to DU... |
YvonneCa |
Nov-07-09 02:53 PM |
#196 |
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Better Believe it could have been a great popular and heroic poster |
treestar |
Nov-07-09 11:43 AM |
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More Daily Hate because Obama isn't a Socialist. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-07-09 11:50 AM |
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SSDD |
BlueIdaho |
Nov-07-09 01:50 PM |
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And how do you think this anti-womens rights alleged healthcare bill will help President Obama? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-09 08:59 AM |
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