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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #66
71. When did the rules change?
During the campaign, he promised he would be our "fierce advocate"...and now he has to give lip service to homophobes? If supporting us before the election didn't lose it in 2008, why would it threaten his reelection in 2012? This makes no sense.

But I agree that he's given plenty of lip service to homophobes. He made that very clear on Inauguration Day with Rick Warren, an event that we all should have celebrated but we were specifically excluded from the day. If you don't think that hurt, and that these games don't hurt, think again.
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  -Gay marriage loss in Maine had NOTHING to do with Obama. RBInMaine  Nov-05-09 06:22 AM   #0 
  - The thing is, we'll never know for sure.  eShirl   Nov-05-09 06:33 AM   #1 
  - I think it would have, if only by emphasizing the issue's importance to liberals.  Unvanguard   Nov-05-09 06:38 AM   #3 
  - Exactly. Imagine if he'd commented on Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire .  Zenlitened   Nov-05-09 06:42 AM   #4 
  - That, actually, I don't mind. There was nothing at stake in those states; we had won.  Unvanguard   Nov-05-09 06:50 AM   #7 
     - But commenting right then and there would been about momentum...  Zenlitened   Nov-05-09 07:10 AM   #13 
        - I don't think it would have persuaded many people.  Unvanguard   Nov-05-09 07:16 AM   #14 
           - Sadly, we'll never, ever know for sure. - n/t  Zenlitened   Nov-05-09 07:24 AM   #16 
  - His fierce advocacy certainly didn't help Jon Corzine  Hippo_Tron   Nov-05-09 11:11 AM   #73 
  - Maine already has some domestic partnership rights. But "sorta-kinda equal" is not good enough.  Unvanguard   Nov-05-09 06:34 AM   #2 
  - I'm curious why you say that  customerserviceguy   Nov-05-09 07:58 AM   #19 
     - "Not good enough", I said. Not "an unworthy short-term goal."  Unvanguard   Nov-05-09 08:06 AM   #20 
        - I'm for marriage equality, too  customerserviceguy   Nov-05-09 11:37 PM   #83 
  - Obama never tried so HOW would you know if it would have made a difference ( had  joeycola   Nov-05-09 06:42 AM   #5 
  - I still remember your very first post  Teaser   Nov-05-09 07:03 AM   #10 
     - Gay leaders blame TV ads, Obama for loss in Maine. Nothing has changed with Obama either...  joeycola   Nov-05-09 07:20 AM   #15 
        - Meow.  ClarkUSA   Nov-05-09 09:08 AM   #37 
        - You are such a nice lttle puddy cat.  joeycola   Nov-05-09 09:22 AM   #48 
           - I recall your first post here at DU, too -- so full of vitriol and blame towards President Obama.  ClarkUSA   Nov-05-09 09:29 AM   #53 
              - Such vitriol from the little kittly. Have a nice day. bye bye.  joeycola   Nov-05-09 10:03 AM   #64 
                 - lol! The hate from your keyboard towards Pres. Obama since you arrived is a matter of DU record.  ClarkUSA   Nov-05-09 10:54 AM   #68 
                    - What a silly assumption you make. I  joeycola   Nov-05-09 02:21 PM   #78 
                       - Your constant attacks on Pres. Obama from your first DU post onward indicate otherwise. nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-05-09 03:06 PM   #79 
        - self delete.  joeycola   Nov-05-09 09:14 AM   #42 
  - So Obama's to blame for this too? Wow.  vaberella   Nov-05-09 06:48 AM   #6 
  - Obama the Obamian. Obama the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms.  Teaser   Nov-05-09 07:01 AM   #8 
     - LMAO! I love people who quote Ghostbusters.  msallied   Nov-05-09 12:02 PM   #76 
  - yes we know. nothing bad ever has anything to do with Obama,  jonnyblitz   Nov-05-09 07:02 AM   #9 
  - Gay marriage victories will also NEVER have ANYTHING to do with Obama.  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 07:05 AM   #11 
  - Got ya. But please stop calling it "gay marriage".  Smarmie Doofus   Nov-05-09 07:08 AM   #12 
  - I think he could and SHOULD be doing much more.  freddie mertz   Nov-05-09 07:37 AM   #17 
  - since you're from Maine, did any of the Pro-Gay/Civil Rights ads label these bigots as outsiders?  KittyWampus   Nov-05-09 07:45 AM   #18 
  - As a fellow New Englander, I must say that Maine is not like Vermont, CT, or Mass.  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 08:08 AM   #21 
  - So you can see the future?  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 08:26 AM   #22 
  - He could have helped some but like I said in my post above, some states  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 08:39 AM   #23 
     - The margin wasw tight so helping some might have been  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 08:45 AM   #25 
     - And I heard all that 'demographic' talk about Iowa last year  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 08:52 AM   #26 
     - Iowa actually has more college towns then Maine and is a better demographic.  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 09:08 AM   #38 
        - I see what you are saying  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 09:24 AM   #51 
           - True. I only hope it gets better over time.  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 09:28 AM   #52 
              - My only problem is the law  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 09:51 AM   #61 
     - Which is precisely why it cannot be left up to the states to decide  PVnRT   Nov-05-09 09:23 AM   #49 
  - Obama opposes gay marriage and favors wars and killing, don't expect support for this nt  msongs   Nov-05-09 08:42 AM   #24 
  - Are you still hawking Obama pillowcases for profit despite your long record of hatred for Obama? nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-05-09 09:07 AM   #36 
  - Don't be stupid.  Cha   Nov-05-09 10:58 AM   #69 
  - You are soooo right!  MNDemNY   Nov-05-09 08:54 AM   #27 
  - America's profound homophobia didn't end last year.  Orsino   Nov-05-09 08:57 AM   #28 
  - Here in Oregon we say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 09:04 AM   #32 
  - Ducks are not politiicans, though.  Orsino   Nov-05-09 10:38 AM   #67 
  - oh, okay  Neecy   Nov-05-09 09:05 AM   #34 
     - Yep. I take politicians' protestations about the alleged sanctity of marriage...  Orsino   Nov-05-09 10:36 AM   #66 
        - When did the rules change?  Neecy   Nov-05-09 11:06 AM   #71 
           - I don't excuse him for causing all that pain.  Orsino   Nov-05-09 11:23 AM   #74 
              - Why should I vote for Democrats again?  Neecy   Nov-05-09 11:52 AM   #75 
  - Since when have we ever held a POTUS to such a high standard  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-05-09 08:57 AM   #29 
  - Yeah, I remember back when LBJ said that marriage was between one man and one woman of the same race  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 09:05 AM   #33 
  - Because he is a Dem and we want Dems to be pro gay marriage  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 09:11 AM   #39 
  - +1  joeycola   Nov-05-09 09:13 AM   #41 
  - I'm disappointed too that he's not more of an advocate for equal marriage rights too  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-05-09 09:31 AM   #54 
     - Totally agree with your post.  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 09:34 AM   #55 
        - It took me awhile to throw off my social conditioning regarding equal marriage rights  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-05-09 09:50 AM   #60 
        - Marriage should have been seperated from the church a long time ago  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 09:55 AM   #62 
           - I wonder if the idea will eventually catch on?  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-05-09 09:57 AM   #63 
              - It should! It is a great idea.  Jennicut   Nov-05-09 10:28 AM   #65 
        - re Obama  mitchtv   Nov-05-09 04:04 PM   #82 
  - Guess that Pulpit is not all that Bully?  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 09:15 AM   #43 
  - Agreed, he can't get involved in every state issue  treestar   Nov-05-09 03:55 PM   #81 
     - actually it was one of the best run campaigns ever  dsc   Nov-05-09 11:51 PM   #84 
  - 2. CA voters approved a similar measure last year during a high turn-out election  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-05-09 08:57 AM   #30 
  - I just rec'd your thread  GoneOffShore   Nov-05-09 09:00 AM   #31 
  - So, overlook the bigot part and concentrate on the rosy stuff.  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 09:07 AM   #35 
  - Oh, no, it's all okay  Neecy   Nov-05-09 11:01 AM   #70 
  - That is a meme I have not heard since George Wallace ran  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 09:18 AM   #45 
  - How about spearheading an education campaign on the issue?  Malikshah   Nov-05-09 09:12 AM   #40 
  - Closet bigots?  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 09:16 AM   #44 
     - Whether they're closeted or bigots?  Malikshah   Nov-05-09 09:35 AM   #57 
        - I think they are right out in the open with the bigotry.  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 09:40 AM   #58 
  - If he had issued only just a statement, it would have helped.  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-05-09 09:21 AM   #46 
  - They're not ready to call it marriage? Tough shit.  PVnRT   Nov-05-09 09:21 AM   #47 
  - And no BLACK people so you can stop with that smear  mkultra   Nov-05-09 09:23 AM   #50 
  - Thank you!  Number23   Nov-05-09 03:29 PM   #80 
  - It doesn't matter to me  LatteLibertine   Nov-05-09 09:35 AM   #56 
  - He has not been silent. He believes marriage is between a man and woman.  VMI Dem   Nov-05-09 09:41 AM   #59 
  - Thanks for working for it up there in Maine, RB~  Cha   Nov-05-09 11:07 AM   #72 
  - really hit it up there...lot's of work!  rasputin1952   Nov-05-09 12:04 PM   #77 
  - Sorry but Obama could lead & influence people positively on gay marriage-it's a Constitutional issue  earth mom   Nov-06-09 12:52 AM   #85 

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