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Thu Nov-05-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #39 |
| -Gay marriage loss in Maine had NOTHING to do with Obama. |
RBInMaine |
Nov-05-09 06:22 AM |
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The thing is, we'll never know for sure. |
eShirl |
Nov-05-09 06:33 AM |
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I think it would have, if only by emphasizing the issue's importance to liberals. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-05-09 06:38 AM |
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Exactly. Imagine if he'd commented on Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire . |
Zenlitened |
Nov-05-09 06:42 AM |
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That, actually, I don't mind. There was nothing at stake in those states; we had won. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-05-09 06:50 AM |
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But commenting right then and there would been about momentum... |
Zenlitened |
Nov-05-09 07:10 AM |
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I don't think it would have persuaded many people. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-05-09 07:16 AM |
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Sadly, we'll never, ever know for sure. - n/t |
Zenlitened |
Nov-05-09 07:24 AM |
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His fierce advocacy certainly didn't help Jon Corzine |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-05-09 11:11 AM |
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Maine already has some domestic partnership rights. But "sorta-kinda equal" is not good enough. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-05-09 06:34 AM |
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I'm curious why you say that |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-05-09 07:58 AM |
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"Not good enough", I said. Not "an unworthy short-term goal." |
Unvanguard |
Nov-05-09 08:06 AM |
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I'm for marriage equality, too |
customerserviceguy |
Nov-05-09 11:37 PM |
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Obama never tried so HOW would you know if it would have made a difference ( had |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 06:42 AM |
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I still remember your very first post |
Teaser |
Nov-05-09 07:03 AM |
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Gay leaders blame TV ads, Obama for loss in Maine. Nothing has changed with Obama either... |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 07:20 AM |
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Meow. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-05-09 09:08 AM |
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You are such a nice lttle puddy cat. |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 09:22 AM |
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I recall your first post here at DU, too -- so full of vitriol and blame towards President Obama. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-05-09 09:29 AM |
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Such vitriol from the little kittly. Have a nice day. bye bye. |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 10:03 AM |
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lol! The hate from your keyboard towards Pres. Obama since you arrived is a matter of DU record. |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-05-09 10:54 AM |
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What a silly assumption you make. I |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 02:21 PM |
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Your constant attacks on Pres. Obama from your first DU post onward indicate otherwise. nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-05-09 03:06 PM |
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self delete. |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 09:14 AM |
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So Obama's to blame for this too? Wow. |
vaberella |
Nov-05-09 06:48 AM |
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Obama the Obamian. Obama the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. |
Teaser |
Nov-05-09 07:01 AM |
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LMAO! I love people who quote Ghostbusters. |
msallied |
Nov-05-09 12:02 PM |
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yes we know. nothing bad ever has anything to do with Obama, |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-05-09 07:02 AM |
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Gay marriage victories will also NEVER have ANYTHING to do with Obama. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 07:05 AM |
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Got ya. But please stop calling it "gay marriage". |
Smarmie Doofus |
Nov-05-09 07:08 AM |
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I think he could and SHOULD be doing much more. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-05-09 07:37 AM |
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since you're from Maine, did any of the Pro-Gay/Civil Rights ads label these bigots as outsiders? |
KittyWampus |
Nov-05-09 07:45 AM |
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As a fellow New Englander, I must say that Maine is not like Vermont, CT, or Mass. |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 08:08 AM |
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So you can see the future? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 08:26 AM |
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He could have helped some but like I said in my post above, some states |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 08:39 AM |
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The margin wasw tight so helping some might have been |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 08:45 AM |
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And I heard all that 'demographic' talk about Iowa last year |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 08:52 AM |
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Iowa actually has more college towns then Maine and is a better demographic. |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 09:08 AM |
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I see what you are saying |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 09:24 AM |
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True. I only hope it gets better over time. |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 09:28 AM |
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My only problem is the law |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 09:51 AM |
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Which is precisely why it cannot be left up to the states to decide |
PVnRT |
Nov-05-09 09:23 AM |
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Obama opposes gay marriage and favors wars and killing, don't expect support for this nt |
msongs |
Nov-05-09 08:42 AM |
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Are you still hawking Obama pillowcases for profit despite your long record of hatred for Obama? nt |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-05-09 09:07 AM |
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Don't be stupid. |
Cha |
Nov-05-09 10:58 AM |
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You are soooo right! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-05-09 08:54 AM |
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America's profound homophobia didn't end last year. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 08:57 AM |
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Here in Oregon we say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 09:04 AM |
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Ducks are not politiicans, though. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 10:38 AM |
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oh, okay |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 09:05 AM |
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Yep. I take politicians' protestations about the alleged sanctity of marriage... |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 10:36 AM |
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When did the rules change? |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 11:06 AM |
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I don't excuse him for causing all that pain. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 11:23 AM |
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Why should I vote for Democrats again? |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 11:52 AM |
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Since when have we ever held a POTUS to such a high standard |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Nov-05-09 08:57 AM |
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Yeah, I remember back when LBJ said that marriage was between one man and one woman of the same race |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:05 AM |
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Because he is a Dem and we want Dems to be pro gay marriage |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 09:11 AM |
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+1 |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 09:13 AM |
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I'm disappointed too that he's not more of an advocate for equal marriage rights too |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:31 AM |
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Totally agree with your post. |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 09:34 AM |
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It took me awhile to throw off my social conditioning regarding equal marriage rights |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:50 AM |
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Marriage should have been seperated from the church a long time ago |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 09:55 AM |
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I wonder if the idea will eventually catch on? |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:57 AM |
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It should! It is a great idea. |
Jennicut |
Nov-05-09 10:28 AM |
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re Obama |
mitchtv |
Nov-05-09 04:04 PM |
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Guess that Pulpit is not all that Bully? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 09:15 AM |
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Agreed, he can't get involved in every state issue |
treestar |
Nov-05-09 03:55 PM |
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actually it was one of the best run campaigns ever |
dsc |
Nov-05-09 11:51 PM |
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2. CA voters approved a similar measure last year during a high turn-out election |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-05-09 08:57 AM |
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I just rec'd your thread |
GoneOffShore |
Nov-05-09 09:00 AM |
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So, overlook the bigot part and concentrate on the rosy stuff. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:07 AM |
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Oh, no, it's all okay |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 11:01 AM |
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That is a meme I have not heard since George Wallace ran |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 09:18 AM |
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How about spearheading an education campaign on the issue? |
Malikshah |
Nov-05-09 09:12 AM |
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Closet bigots? |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:16 AM |
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Whether they're closeted or bigots? |
Malikshah |
Nov-05-09 09:35 AM |
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I think they are right out in the open with the bigotry. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:40 AM |
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If he had issued only just a statement, it would have helped. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Nov-05-09 09:21 AM |
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They're not ready to call it marriage? Tough shit. |
PVnRT |
Nov-05-09 09:21 AM |
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And no BLACK people so you can stop with that smear |
mkultra |
Nov-05-09 09:23 AM |
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Thank you! |
Number23 |
Nov-05-09 03:29 PM |
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It doesn't matter to me |
LatteLibertine |
Nov-05-09 09:35 AM |
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He has not been silent. He believes marriage is between a man and woman. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-05-09 09:41 AM |
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Thanks for working for it up there in Maine, RB~ |
Cha |
Nov-05-09 11:07 AM |
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WOW...you really hit it up there...lot's of work! |
rasputin1952 |
Nov-05-09 12:04 PM |
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Sorry but Obama could lead & influence people positively on gay marriage-it's a Constitutional issue |
earth mom |
Nov-06-09 12:52 AM |
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