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Fri Nov-06-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #140 |
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If you truly were offended by corporate influence you would simply live somewhere outside of that influence which is an option at your command.
and if not...sorry my friend, you are a co-conspirator.
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| -I'm not an Obama basher -- But he needs to be pushed away from the Corporatist Democrats |
Armstead |
Nov-04-09 10:51 PM |
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eternal war is good for business nt |
msongs |
Nov-04-09 10:58 PM |
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I can count the non-corporate Democrats on one hand, wihtout using all my fingers. |
Ozymanithrax |
Nov-04-09 11:06 PM |
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There are numerous ones, but they have been surpressed and hidden from view |
Armstead |
Nov-04-09 11:08 PM |
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My complaint with Obama.. |
niceypoo |
Nov-04-09 11:11 PM |
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He needs to tak ethe bull by the horns |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Nov-04-09 11:18 PM |
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You know what the RW nutters are saying? |
Why Syzygy |
Nov-04-09 11:20 PM |
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Saying he's "biartisan" gives him cover when he does the corporate bidding. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-05-09 10:04 PM |
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I believe Obama wants to be seen as "Above Politics" while working his magic behind the scenes. |
Vincardog |
Nov-05-09 01:08 PM |
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Interesting. |
ProSense |
Nov-04-09 11:20 PM |
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Overcoming that is part of what wouold make him a great leader |
Armstead |
Nov-04-09 11:46 PM |
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Not the same dynamic. |
ProSense |
Nov-04-09 11:56 PM |
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History never repeats itself exactly...And FDR could have taken a different tack |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 11:11 AM |
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FDR had a learning curve. He saw what HH did and knew something new was needed. But he did sell |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 01:39 PM |
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I did not say he was a saint or infallible. |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:35 PM |
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I completely agree. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-06-09 08:06 AM |
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"Liberal/Progressive Camp"?? Who, Obama??? |
inna |
Nov-04-09 11:50 PM |
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I said "one foot in each" and believe that...Otherwise I'd just dismiss him now as Clinton 2 |
Armstead |
Nov-04-09 11:55 PM |
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Clinton 2 is a very apt description. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-05-09 11:22 AM |
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Where is the foot that is in the Liberal camp? |
bvar22 |
Nov-05-09 07:22 PM |
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Yes, it's true. |
Cha |
Nov-05-09 10:50 AM |
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What's progressive about a secret deal with the pharmaceutical firms? |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 01:38 PM |
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You're zeroing in on one thing and making a |
Cha |
Nov-05-09 02:18 PM |
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Hey! You can cut and paste. I like a lot of what he's done, but he's not a progressive. |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 02:38 PM |
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HEY If I didn't bring this on then you could just |
Cha |
Nov-05-09 02:43 PM |
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Potty language!! I don't think Hillary would have done a whole lot differently than he has. |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 02:46 PM |
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Cha, that's a great list, but unfortunately there are CAVEATS to so many of those "accomplishments" |
bertman |
Nov-05-09 05:35 PM |
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And he has nothing standing in his way of all that, right? |
JuniperLea |
Nov-06-09 06:29 PM |
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HE made the decision to hire Robert Gates as SecDec. HE made the decision to make |
bertman |
Nov-06-09 08:42 PM |
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If it were such a big secret, why do we all know about it? |
JuniperLea |
Nov-06-09 06:29 PM |
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What evidence is there that his heart is truly progressive? |
tblue |
Nov-04-09 11:29 PM |
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I believe it is -- There are many I wouldn't say that about |
Armstead |
Nov-04-09 11:52 PM |
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Numerous statements he made before he got into national politics |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-05-09 11:38 AM |
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I don't believe Obama is progressive at all. He barely seems to tolerate progressives. |
katandmoon |
Nov-05-09 10:17 PM |
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Exactly. He IS a corporate Democrat. |
PurityOfEssence |
Nov-06-09 12:25 AM |
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I agree with |
Cleita |
Nov-04-09 11:59 PM |
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I believe it won't be long before some genius answers you by typing "FAIL". But |
salguine |
Nov-05-09 12:00 AM |
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I believe you are on to something. I am not defending the Media |
OHdem10 |
Nov-05-09 12:03 AM |
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You think the media is just looking out for our best interest? |
ProSense |
Nov-05-09 12:09 AM |
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I said I probably bash the Media as much as the next person, maybe |
OHdem10 |
Nov-05-09 12:25 AM |
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OHdem10, I think your idealized concept of the media is way off base. The media is |
bertman |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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You have a good point about the media. |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:49 AM |
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with unemployement set to break 10% either friday or in 30 days |
TheWebHead |
Nov-05-09 12:31 AM |
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What? Who do you think helped to push unemployment so high? |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:59 AM |
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Corporate, non corporate, whatever. |
dkf |
Nov-05-09 01:10 AM |
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There's jobs and there's jobs |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 11:06 AM |
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He needs to stop trying to bust the teachers' unions. |
roody |
Nov-05-09 02:01 AM |
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With Arne Duncan at his side, I do believe there is lots of trouble |
joeycola |
Nov-05-09 06:32 AM |
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union busting and militarization of schools eom |
roody |
Nov-05-09 10:38 AM |
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Union busting and "privatizing," you mean. I'm waiting to see |
Fire1 |
Nov-05-09 02:36 PM |
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Very well said. |
gtar100 |
Nov-05-09 02:12 AM |
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The middle is where the most votes are. |
cleveramerican |
Nov-05-09 03:44 AM |
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Getting the most votes is not an end in itself |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-05-09 07:46 AM |
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It is an end in itself for politicians |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-05-09 11:52 AM |
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Very interesting comment |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-06-09 10:26 AM |
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not getting the most votes... |
cleveramerican |
Nov-05-09 04:14 PM |
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Two comments |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-06-09 08:18 AM |
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His widow may have different view |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 01:08 AM |
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To this poster winning is everything. The ends justify the means. you have to win first and keep you |
rhett o rick |
Nov-05-09 08:59 PM |
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the president. the vice president, the secretary of state |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 05:14 AM |
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Your hatred of the left isnt becoming. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 07:56 AM |
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The irony is that we probably agree on the large broad goals. |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 02:51 PM |
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And we were having such a good discussion. But you had to accuse me of |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 05:40 PM |
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I may have mistook you for another who called me a ring-wing nut |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 12:46 AM |
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Lots of strawmen there. It's not b/c he won, but b/c of his positions and who he's appointed. |
rudy23 |
Nov-05-09 07:47 AM |
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Define the 'far left' as you see it |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-05-09 08:36 AM |
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There IS no "far left"...they're called "Greens". |
PassingFair |
Nov-05-09 09:54 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich |
cleveramerican |
Nov-05-09 03:59 PM |
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If you bothered to look beyond the stereotypes, you might find that he often makes a lot of sense |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 04:22 PM |
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I used him as an example... |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 05:02 AM |
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I was referring to your dismissiveness of his positions |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 11:31 AM |
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I was speaking of his utter failure of tactics |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 01:24 AM |
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Anyone to the left of Evan Bayh is "far left" to some people |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 10:02 AM |
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"constantly negotiating a position that will hold for a period" |
cleveramerican |
Nov-05-09 04:09 PM |
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The PUBLIC OPTION is not some |
Enthusiast |
Nov-06-09 04:28 PM |
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even on healthcare tiny incremental steps are better than.... |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 01:03 AM |
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I hardly think some |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-09 08:49 AM |
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it absolutely "should' |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 10:12 PM |
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+1 |
noiretextatique |
Nov-05-09 06:14 PM |
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Right. And it would be no more fair for the far left to rule than the far |
treestar |
Nov-05-09 02:20 PM |
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The center is where consensus lies |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 05:25 AM |
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You speak like a right wingnut. nt |
rhett o rick |
Nov-05-09 08:57 PM |
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and you sound like Tom Delay |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 05:08 AM |
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If you hate the left so much, please tell us what issues do you specifically disagree. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 02:11 PM |
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I am a pragmatic liberal Democrat |
cleveramerican |
Nov-06-09 03:08 PM |
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If you disagree with the left, on what issues do you disagree. nt |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 04:17 PM |
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I disagree with the all or nothing mentality of the OP |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 12:56 AM |
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If you give up your principles merely to “win”, you will have won nothing. nt |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 04:18 PM |
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I'm curious as to what "principles" you are referring to |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 05:22 PM |
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I was responding to post #23. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-09 05:45 PM |
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I realize that, and my questions still stand. |
demhistorian |
Nov-07-09 06:22 AM |
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Integrity, honesty and fairness are a good start. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-07-09 01:47 PM |
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where did the poster say "winning was more important than maintaining one's principles?" |
demhistorian |
Nov-07-09 05:45 PM |
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I've said it before---he needs to be asked if he renounces Milton Friedman, from his U of Chi. days |
rudy23 |
Nov-05-09 07:45 AM |
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Because his life history prior to 2004 shows practically ZERO corporatist tendencies. |
phleshdef |
Nov-05-09 10:35 AM |
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Uh, except for the above-mentioned Friedman sympathies. |
Lautremont |
Nov-05-09 11:38 AM |
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You aptly summarized the frustration that |
mochajava666 |
Nov-05-09 10:03 AM |
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He reminds me of my brother -- A moderate liberal who can't acknowledge that problems are systemic |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 10:30 AM |
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Reading "Audacity of Hope" |
mochajava666 |
Nov-05-09 11:41 AM |
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The 'system' has served Obama pretty well. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 01:42 PM |
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"A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel" |
rudy23 |
Nov-05-09 04:25 PM |
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Agreed. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-05-09 10:34 AM |
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I love to see Obama toughen up against the Aetna side of the |
ej510 |
Nov-05-09 11:24 AM |
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We will never be fully satisified |
insanity |
Nov-05-09 11:27 AM |
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I don't understand why WE have to make sure that he holds |
mochajava666 |
Nov-05-09 12:10 PM |
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I would like to agree here |
insanity |
Nov-05-09 12:30 PM |
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I totally agree with your assessment of the GOP |
mochajava666 |
Nov-05-09 01:28 PM |
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The SCOTUS issue is related to CFR |
insanity |
Nov-05-09 02:10 PM |
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I think we have a chicken vs egg thing here |
mochajava666 |
Nov-05-09 03:18 PM |
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You make good points, b ut i disagree with some of what you said |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 12:52 PM |
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+1 |
treestar |
Nov-05-09 02:21 PM |
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For that to happen, he would have to fire 90% of his administration |
rollingrock |
Nov-05-09 01:18 PM |
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Perhaps he IS a corporatist Democrat. He's got enough around him. He chose them. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 01:37 PM |
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kick |
xchrom |
Nov-05-09 01:38 PM |
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I believe that he IS a corporatist, only one who temporarily put on a populist mask |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-05-09 02:59 PM |
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I saw it too, Lydia |
Skittles |
Nov-05-09 07:18 PM |
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Nailed It! |
bvar22 |
Nov-05-09 07:31 PM |
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My opinion of him a is somewhat higher than that...I do think his loyalties are spilt |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:13 PM |
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Of course he is. |
pecwae |
Nov-07-09 07:24 AM |
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YOU LIE! |
mdmc |
Nov-05-09 04:18 PM |
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cute |
rhett o rick |
Nov-05-09 09:00 PM |
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In My Opinion You Are Reality Based... So Be Careful! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-05-09 05:19 PM |
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Agree. I don't think President Obama will do anything to rock the |
Thickasabrick |
Nov-05-09 06:28 PM |
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Obama needs his 'John Perkins moment' |
EVDebs |
Nov-05-09 06:30 PM |
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lol, pushed away? |
Skittles |
Nov-05-09 06:55 PM |
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Good luck with that. His platform crumbled less than 2 weeks after he was elected. |
Grinchie |
Nov-05-09 07:25 PM |
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I agree. Would also like |
Duval |
Nov-05-09 07:26 PM |
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Some of Congress |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:01 PM |
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it's a lost cause -the banks and corporations and bilderbergs own washington end of story |
natrat |
Nov-05-09 08:02 PM |
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Pushed away from the DLC..and SOON! |
lib2DaBone |
Nov-05-09 08:37 PM |
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Jeez |
BillDU |
Nov-05-09 08:57 PM |
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Sigh....It';s so boring you people who..... |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:03 PM |
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So.... |
BillDU |
Nov-05-09 09:15 PM |
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You are being thick as a brick....deliberatly? |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 09:23 PM |
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Dancing with the devil is being with him. |
BillDU |
Nov-05-09 09:36 PM |
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Then you are the purist |
Armstead |
Nov-05-09 11:48 PM |
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You think that's me... |
BillDU |
Nov-06-09 07:54 PM |
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what does that make me? Confused by what your point is |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 09:18 PM |
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My point is... |
BillDU |
Nov-06-09 09:48 PM |
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Awesome post! You remind me of --- ummm -- |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 05:14 AM |
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That's clever...You remind me of Creigh Deeds |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 11:05 AM |
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If you're going to compare me to a Virginia politician, at least ---- |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 04:02 PM |
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If you're going to compare me to a northern politician in the podunks.... |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 05:17 PM |
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the difference is Warner or Kaine could win in Vermont. Sanders couldn't in VA |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 05:21 PM |
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Your assumption that successful progressive politicians are losers says much |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 05:29 PM |
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I've made no such assumption |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 05:32 PM |
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"the difference is Warner or Kaine could win in Vermont. Sanders couldn't in VA" |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 05:53 PM |
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of course I do. But he is ONE politician. You said "politicians." (plural) |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 06:12 PM |
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I haven;t time or patience for word games....But I'll say this. |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 06:25 PM |
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after several dozen replies by you to your own assumption-filled OP |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 06:32 PM |
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With people like you, one can't even try to be reasonable |
Armstead |
Nov-06-09 06:53 PM |
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Reasonable? We've just seen how a purist can lose an election for the GOP |
demhistorian |
Nov-07-09 06:21 AM |
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take a closer look at the '08 winners..... |
cleveramerican |
Nov-07-09 10:31 PM |
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. |
demhistorian |
Nov-06-09 04:01 PM |
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kick |
xchrom |
Nov-06-09 08:38 AM |
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My Point Concisely. |
BillDU |
Nov-08-09 03:29 PM |
#155 |
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