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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:11 PM
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116. If you hate the left so much, please tell us what issues do you specifically disagree.
To quote you: "In Politics: There is no glory in being a principled loser. In order to affect change,first you must win." That plus your attacks on the left make me question where you come from. What specifically about the left do you hate so much?

And is winning more important than principles? Not to a Democrat.
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  -I'm not an Obama basher -- But he needs to be pushed away from the Corporatist Democrats Armstead  Nov-04-09 10:51 PM   #0 
  - eternal war is good for business nt  msongs   Nov-04-09 10:58 PM   #1 
  - I can count the non-corporate Democrats on one hand, wihtout using all my fingers.  Ozymanithrax   Nov-04-09 11:06 PM   #2 
  - There are numerous ones, but they have been surpressed and hidden from view  Armstead   Nov-04-09 11:08 PM   #3 
  - My complaint with Obama..  niceypoo   Nov-04-09 11:11 PM   #4 
  - He needs to tak ethe bull by the horns  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-04-09 11:18 PM   #5 
  - You know what the RW nutters are saying?  Why Syzygy   Nov-04-09 11:20 PM   #6 
  - Saying he's "biartisan" gives him cover when he does the corporate bidding.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-05-09 10:04 PM   #100 
  - I believe Obama wants to be seen as "Above Politics" while working his magic behind the scenes.  Vincardog   Nov-05-09 01:08 PM   #51 
  - Interesting.  ProSense   Nov-04-09 11:20 PM   #7 
  - Overcoming that is part of what wouold make him a great leader  Armstead   Nov-04-09 11:46 PM   #9 
  - Not the same dynamic.  ProSense   Nov-04-09 11:56 PM   #13 
     - History never repeats itself exactly...And FDR could have taken a different tack  Armstead   Nov-05-09 11:11 AM   #40 
        - FDR had a learning curve. He saw what HH did and knew something new was needed. But he did sell  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 01:39 PM   #57 
           - I did not say he was a saint or infallible.  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:35 PM   #98 
              - I completely agree. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-06-09 08:06 AM   #110 
  - "Liberal/Progressive Camp"?? Who, Obama???  inna   Nov-04-09 11:50 PM   #10 
     - I said "one foot in each" and believe that...Otherwise I'd just dismiss him now as Clinton 2  Armstead   Nov-04-09 11:55 PM   #12 
     - Clinton 2 is a very apt description.  MNDemNY   Nov-05-09 11:22 AM   #41 
     - Where is the foot that is in the Liberal camp?  bvar22   Nov-05-09 07:22 PM   #83 
     - Yes, it's true.  Cha   Nov-05-09 10:50 AM   #38 
        - What's progressive about a secret deal with the pharmaceutical firms?  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 01:38 PM   #55 
           - You're zeroing in on one thing and making a  Cha   Nov-05-09 02:18 PM   #60 
           - Hey! You can cut and paste. I like a lot of what he's done, but he's not a progressive.  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 02:38 PM   #64 
           - HEY If I didn't bring this on then you could just  Cha   Nov-05-09 02:43 PM   #65 
              - Potty language!! I don't think Hillary would have done a whole lot differently than he has.  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 02:46 PM   #66 
           - Cha, that's a great list, but unfortunately there are CAVEATS to so many of those "accomplishments"  bertman   Nov-05-09 05:35 PM   #76 
              - And he has nothing standing in his way of all that, right?  JuniperLea   Nov-06-09 06:29 PM   #135 
                 - HE made the decision to hire Robert Gates as SecDec. HE made the decision to make  bertman   Nov-06-09 08:42 PM   #139 
           - If it were such a big secret, why do we all know about it?  JuniperLea   Nov-06-09 06:29 PM   #134 
  - What evidence is there that his heart is truly progressive?  tblue   Nov-04-09 11:29 PM   #8 
  - I believe it is -- There are many I wouldn't say that about  Armstead   Nov-04-09 11:52 PM   #11 
  - Numerous statements he made before he got into national politics  Hippo_Tron   Nov-05-09 11:38 AM   #44 
  - I don't believe Obama is progressive at all. He barely seems to tolerate progressives.  katandmoon   Nov-05-09 10:17 PM   #101 
  - Exactly. He IS a corporate Democrat.  PurityOfEssence   Nov-06-09 12:25 AM   #103 
  - I agree with  Cleita   Nov-04-09 11:59 PM   #14 
  - I believe it won't be long before some genius answers you by typing "FAIL". But  salguine   Nov-05-09 12:00 AM   #15 
  - I believe you are on to something. I am not defending the Media  OHdem10   Nov-05-09 12:03 AM   #16 
  - You think the media is just looking out for our best interest?  ProSense   Nov-05-09 12:09 AM   #17 
  - I said I probably bash the Media as much as the next person, maybe  OHdem10   Nov-05-09 12:25 AM   #18 
     - OHdem10, I think your idealized concept of the media is way off base. The media is  bertman   Nov-05-09 05:46 PM   #77 
  - You have a good point about the media.  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:49 AM   #29 
  - with unemployement set to break 10% either friday or in 30 days  TheWebHead   Nov-05-09 12:31 AM   #19 
  - What? Who do you think helped to push unemployment so high?  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:59 AM   #31 
  - Corporate, non corporate, whatever.  dkf   Nov-05-09 01:10 AM   #20 
  - There's jobs and there's jobs  Armstead   Nov-05-09 11:06 AM   #39 
  - He needs to stop trying to bust the teachers' unions.  roody   Nov-05-09 02:01 AM   #21 
  - With Arne Duncan at his side, I do believe there is lots of trouble  joeycola   Nov-05-09 06:32 AM   #24 
     - union busting and militarization of schools eom  roody   Nov-05-09 10:38 AM   #37 
        - Union busting and "privatizing," you mean. I'm waiting to see  Fire1   Nov-05-09 02:36 PM   #63 
  - Very well said.  gtar100   Nov-05-09 02:12 AM   #22 
  - The middle is where the most votes are.  cleveramerican   Nov-05-09 03:44 AM   #23 
  - Getting the most votes is not an end in itself  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-05-09 07:46 AM   #26 
  - It is an end in itself for politicians  Hippo_Tron   Nov-05-09 11:52 AM   #47 
  - Very interesting comment  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-06-09 10:26 AM   #113 
  - not getting the most votes...  cleveramerican   Nov-05-09 04:14 PM   #71 
  - Two comments  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-06-09 08:18 AM   #111 
     - His widow may have different view  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 01:08 AM   #145 
  - To this poster winning is everything. The ends justify the means. you have to win first and keep you  rhett o rick   Nov-05-09 08:59 PM   #91 
     - the president. the vice president, the secretary of state  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 05:14 AM   #106 
        - Your hatred of the left isnt becoming.  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 07:56 AM   #109 
           - The irony is that we probably agree on the large broad goals.  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 02:51 PM   #117 
              - And we were having such a good discussion. But you had to accuse me of  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 05:40 PM   #129 
                 - I may have mistook you for another who called me a ring-wing nut  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 12:46 AM   #142 
  - Lots of strawmen there. It's not b/c he won, but b/c of his positions and who he's appointed.  rudy23   Nov-05-09 07:47 AM   #27 
  - Define the 'far left' as you see it  Bluenorthwest   Nov-05-09 08:36 AM   #28 
  - There IS no "far left"...they're called "Greens".  PassingFair   Nov-05-09 09:54 AM   #30 
  - Dennis Kucinich  cleveramerican   Nov-05-09 03:59 PM   #69 
     - If you bothered to look beyond the stereotypes, you might find that he often makes a lot of sense  Armstead   Nov-05-09 04:22 PM   #73 
        - I used him as an example...  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 05:02 AM   #104 
           - I was referring to your dismissiveness of his positions  Armstead   Nov-06-09 11:31 AM   #115 
              - I was speaking of his utter failure of tactics  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 01:24 AM   #146 
  - Anyone to the left of Evan Bayh is "far left" to some people  Armstead   Nov-05-09 10:02 AM   #32 
  - "constantly negotiating a position that will hold for a period"  cleveramerican   Nov-05-09 04:09 PM   #70 
  - The PUBLIC OPTION is not some  Enthusiast   Nov-06-09 04:28 PM   #123 
     - even on healthcare tiny incremental steps are better than....  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 01:03 AM   #144 
        - I hardly think some  Enthusiast   Nov-07-09 08:49 AM   #150 
           - it absolutely "should'  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 10:12 PM   #153 
  - +1  noiretextatique   Nov-05-09 06:14 PM   #78 
  - Right. And it would be no more fair for the far left to rule than the far  treestar   Nov-05-09 02:20 PM   #61 
  - The center is where consensus lies  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 05:25 AM   #108 
  - You speak like a right wingnut. nt  rhett o rick   Nov-05-09 08:57 PM   #90 
     - and you sound like Tom Delay  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 05:08 AM   #105 
        - If you hate the left so much, please tell us what issues do you specifically disagree.  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 02:11 PM   #116 
           - I am a pragmatic liberal Democrat  cleveramerican   Nov-06-09 03:08 PM   #118 
              - If you disagree with the left, on what issues do you disagree. nt  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 04:17 PM   #121 
              - I disagree with the all or nothing mentality of the OP  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 12:56 AM   #143 
              - If you give up your principles merely to win, you will have won nothing. nt  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 04:18 PM   #122 
                 - I'm curious as to what "principles" you are referring to  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 05:22 PM   #126 
                    - I was responding to post #23.  rhett o rick   Nov-06-09 05:45 PM   #130 
                       - I realize that, and my questions still stand.  demhistorian   Nov-07-09 06:22 AM   #148 
                          - Integrity, honesty and fairness are a good start.  rhett o rick   Nov-07-09 01:47 PM   #151 
                             - where did the poster say "winning was more important than maintaining one's principles?"  demhistorian   Nov-07-09 05:45 PM   #152 
  - I've said it before---he needs to be asked if he renounces Milton Friedman, from his U of Chi. days  rudy23   Nov-05-09 07:45 AM   #25 
  - Because his life history prior to 2004 shows practically ZERO corporatist tendencies.  phleshdef   Nov-05-09 10:35 AM   #36 
     - Uh, except for the above-mentioned Friedman sympathies.  Lautremont   Nov-05-09 11:38 AM   #45 
  - You aptly summarized the frustration that  mochajava666   Nov-05-09 10:03 AM   #33 
  - He reminds me of my brother -- A moderate liberal who can't acknowledge that problems are systemic  Armstead   Nov-05-09 10:30 AM   #34 
     - Reading "Audacity of Hope"  mochajava666   Nov-05-09 11:41 AM   #46 
     - The 'system' has served Obama pretty well. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 01:42 PM   #58 
     - "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel"  rudy23   Nov-05-09 04:25 PM   #74 
  - Agreed.  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-05-09 10:34 AM   #35 
  - I love to see Obama toughen up against the Aetna side of the  ej510   Nov-05-09 11:24 AM   #42 
  - We will never be fully satisified  insanity   Nov-05-09 11:27 AM   #43 
  - I don't understand why WE have to make sure that he holds  mochajava666   Nov-05-09 12:10 PM   #48 
  - I would like to agree here  insanity   Nov-05-09 12:30 PM   #49 
     - I totally agree with your assessment of the GOP  mochajava666   Nov-05-09 01:28 PM   #53 
        - The SCOTUS issue is related to CFR  insanity   Nov-05-09 02:10 PM   #59 
           - I think we have a chicken vs egg thing here  mochajava666   Nov-05-09 03:18 PM   #68 
  - You make good points, b ut i disagree with some of what you said  Armstead   Nov-05-09 12:52 PM   #50 
  - +1  treestar   Nov-05-09 02:21 PM   #62 
  - For that to happen, he would have to fire 90% of his administration  rollingrock   Nov-05-09 01:18 PM   #52 
  - Perhaps he IS a corporatist Democrat. He's got enough around him. He chose them. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 01:37 PM   #54 
  - kick  xchrom   Nov-05-09 01:38 PM   #56 
  - I believe that he IS a corporatist, only one who temporarily put on a populist mask  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-05-09 02:59 PM   #67 
  - I saw it too, Lydia  Skittles   Nov-05-09 07:18 PM   #82 
  - Nailed It!  bvar22   Nov-05-09 07:31 PM   #86 
  - My opinion of him a is somewhat higher than that...I do think his loyalties are spilt  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:13 PM   #95 
  - Of course he is.  pecwae   Nov-07-09 07:24 AM   #149 
  - YOU LIE!  mdmc   Nov-05-09 04:18 PM   #72 
  - cute  rhett o rick   Nov-05-09 09:00 PM   #92 
  - In My Opinion You Are Reality Based... So Be Careful!  theFrankFactor   Nov-05-09 05:19 PM   #75 
  - Agree. I don't think President Obama will do anything to rock the  Thickasabrick   Nov-05-09 06:28 PM   #79 
  - Obama needs his 'John Perkins moment'  EVDebs   Nov-05-09 06:30 PM   #80 
  - lol, pushed away?  Skittles   Nov-05-09 06:55 PM   #81 
  - Good luck with that. His platform crumbled less than 2 weeks after he was elected.  Grinchie   Nov-05-09 07:25 PM   #84 
  - I agree. Would also like  Duval   Nov-05-09 07:26 PM   #85 
  - Some of Congress  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:01 PM   #93 
  - it's a lost cause -the banks and corporations and bilderbergs own washington end of story  natrat   Nov-05-09 08:02 PM   #87 
  - Pushed away from the DLC..and SOON!  lib2DaBone   Nov-05-09 08:37 PM   #88 
  - Jeez  BillDU   Nov-05-09 08:57 PM   #89 
  - Sigh....It';s so boring you people who.....  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:03 PM   #94 
     - So....  BillDU   Nov-05-09 09:15 PM   #96 
        - You are being thick as a brick....deliberatly?  Armstead   Nov-05-09 09:23 PM   #97 
           - Dancing with the devil is being with him.  BillDU   Nov-05-09 09:36 PM   #99 
              - Then you are the purist  Armstead   Nov-05-09 11:48 PM   #102 
                 - You think that's me...  BillDU   Nov-06-09 07:54 PM   #138 
                    - what does that make me? Confused by what your point is  Armstead   Nov-06-09 09:18 PM   #140 
                       - My point is...  BillDU   Nov-06-09 09:48 PM   #141 
  - Awesome post! You remind me of --- ummm --  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 05:14 AM   #107 
  - That's clever...You remind me of Creigh Deeds  Armstead   Nov-06-09 11:05 AM   #114 
  - If you're going to compare me to a Virginia politician, at least ----  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 04:02 PM   #120 
     - If you're going to compare me to a northern politician in the podunks....  Armstead   Nov-06-09 05:17 PM   #124 
        - the difference is Warner or Kaine could win in Vermont. Sanders couldn't in VA  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 05:21 PM   #125 
           - Your assumption that successful progressive politicians are losers says much  Armstead   Nov-06-09 05:29 PM   #127 
              - I've made no such assumption  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 05:32 PM   #128 
                 - "the difference is Warner or Kaine could win in Vermont. Sanders couldn't in VA"  Armstead   Nov-06-09 05:53 PM   #131 
                    - of course I do. But he is ONE politician. You said "politicians." (plural)  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 06:12 PM   #132 
                       - I haven;t time or patience for word games....But I'll say this.  Armstead   Nov-06-09 06:25 PM   #133 
                          - after several dozen replies by you to your own assumption-filled OP  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 06:32 PM   #136 
                             - With people like you, one can't even try to be reasonable  Armstead   Nov-06-09 06:53 PM   #137 
                                - Reasonable? We've just seen how a purist can lose an election for the GOP  demhistorian   Nov-07-09 06:21 AM   #147 
                                - take a closer look at the '08 winners.....  cleveramerican   Nov-07-09 10:31 PM   #154 
  - .  demhistorian   Nov-06-09 04:01 PM   #119 
  - kick  xchrom   Nov-06-09 08:38 AM   #112 
  - My Point Concisely.  BillDU   Nov-08-09 03:29 PM   #155 
 

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