flyarm
(1000+ posts)
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Sun Nov-01-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
| 33. here from Obama's own campaign web site! |
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Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:40 PM by flyarm
from Obama's own Campaign web site: The Obama Plan
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare /
Quality, Affordable Choices
If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.
** maybe you could have looked it up before calling someone else a liar!
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 Ed Shultz is WRONG Obama NEVER in the campaign said he was for Public Option |
bigdarryl |
Nov-01-09 09:55 AM |
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I saw a commercial this morning that made the same claim... |
GoCubsGo |
Nov-01-09 10:05 AM |
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I think it is up to Ed to prove it with a transcript - it sure wasn't a promise spoken often |
stray cat |
Nov-01-09 10:07 AM |
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I remember him mentioning the PO multiple times |
pot luck |
Nov-01-09 10:09 AM |
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Yeah, he did. He also supported single payer at one time. |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-01-09 10:09 AM |
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LINK!!!! PLEASE |
bigdarryl |
Nov-01-09 10:14 AM |
#5 |
here from Obama's own campaign web site! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:39 PM |
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Thank you. And yes they should have looked it up. nt |
tsuki |
Nov-01-09 10:23 PM |
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that just looks like his current website |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 12:38 AM |
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That sounds like the current plan that the House passed - is that historical or present day? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:36 AM |
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He said "If we were starting from scratch" he would be for single payer, however in retrospect |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-01-09 10:30 AM |
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He said he was for single payer when he was just a lowly state Senator, |
dflprincess |
Nov-01-09 09:41 PM |
#61 |
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Mandates are not strickly corporate friendly |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:38 AM |
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Single Payer is like mandates |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 10:35 AM |
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Yes, it is |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:40 AM |
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The difference between single payer and mandates |
dflprincess |
Nov-02-09 01:10 PM |
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Oh, I'm all for a single payer system - I'd love to have it |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 01:44 PM |
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Until we get a public option that will actually benefit Americans... |
derby378 |
Nov-02-09 01:50 PM |
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Until the earth is hit by a meteor |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 02:01 PM |
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If I were happy with the status quo, |
dflprincess |
Nov-02-09 02:19 PM |
#109 |
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I think you may be missing the forest for the trees |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 02:54 PM |
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The out of pockets (aka "cost-sharing") permited in this bill are so |
dflprincess |
Nov-02-09 03:52 PM |
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I would rather the poor (as well as the rest of us) get access to care |
dflprincess |
Nov-02-09 01:12 PM |
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that is true |
mkultra |
Nov-03-09 10:21 AM |
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During the campaign? He did not. He said he was for Universal..but |
Kahuna |
Nov-01-09 02:38 PM |
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Yup, that he did. People just like putting words in his mouth. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-01-09 03:33 PM |
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go read his web site..please..you are embarrassing yourself! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 05:17 PM |
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You're embarassing yourself. You know how to read right? Where does it say "single payer"? n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-01-09 05:46 PM |
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he didn't he said : |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 06:18 PM |
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Then why are you commenting to my post. Get a clue before you post.... |
vaberella |
Nov-01-09 07:21 PM |
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actually I am sorry for my reply to you , it was unnessesary and rude on my part and i apologize. |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 07:14 PM |
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i shed a single tear for such civility |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 12:31 AM |
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What is the date of that website? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:44 AM |
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We're talking about Campaign promises...not before the campaign. |
vaberella |
Nov-01-09 03:32 PM |
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The only thing I know is if Obama doesn't fight for a public option, HE IS WRONG, and there will be |
still_one |
Nov-01-09 10:14 AM |
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This sound scary |
impik |
Nov-01-09 03:37 PM |
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Dude elaborate on the "consequences" usage...b/c it sounds like a threat to the President. n/t |
vaberella |
Nov-02-09 12:39 AM |
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What reason do you have to suspect the poster meant.... |
burning rain |
Nov-02-09 01:48 AM |
#74 |
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We've got crazies from all sides of the fence. |
vaberella |
Nov-02-09 10:54 AM |
#96 |
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No argument there, buddy. |
burning rain |
Nov-02-09 06:55 PM |
#114 |
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Obama never fought for Medicare for All or a strong public option. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-01-09 10:16 AM |
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Yes, he did (link) |
majamay |
Nov-01-09 10:18 AM |
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Shame on you for using facts against raging rants. n/t |
jody |
Nov-01-09 10:23 AM |
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Welcome to DU! nt |
glitch |
Nov-01-09 10:26 AM |
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No he didn't fight for a strong public option and isn't doing so now! Links please. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-01-09 12:04 PM |
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You're raising the bar with a strawman |
majamay |
Nov-01-09 12:14 PM |
#19 |
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OK So he's fighting for a weak public option? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-01-09 03:29 PM |
#25 |
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read his own Campaign web site dang it! here since you won't look it up! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:59 PM |
#41 |
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You have posted the evidence that Obama supported a PO during the campaign |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Nov-01-09 08:38 PM |
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Congrats on Fantastic research and detailed informative post n/t |
Garam_Masala |
Nov-02-09 01:01 AM |
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The OP's statement concerns a public option, regardless of whether it's weak or strong |
majamay |
Nov-01-09 05:55 PM |
#50 |
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i can already tell im going to like you |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 12:33 AM |
#64 |
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I remember he campaigned strongly oppposed to personal |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-01-09 10:36 AM |
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Obama did campaign on the public option, in part |
Zodiak |
Nov-01-09 10:54 AM |
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not "IN PART" he campaigned on it..it was on his camapaign web site for all to read and see |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 05:03 PM |
#42 |
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thats the current OFA website you keep linking to. |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 12:39 AM |
#67 |
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it has been in my files since Sept 2008. |
flyarm |
Nov-02-09 01:45 AM |
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the link or the pdf? |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 08:47 AM |
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"In part"...meaning it was part of his plan |
Zodiak |
Nov-02-09 01:52 PM |
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Here is a link to the health care plan Obama campaigned on which DEFINITELY included a public plan |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-01-09 11:35 AM |
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Google is your friend - use it |
GCP |
Nov-01-09 11:54 AM |
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He shore can give a great speech though. |
Algorem |
Nov-01-09 12:02 PM |
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Dashels exchange proposal was Obamas po during the primaries |
joeycola |
Nov-01-09 12:09 PM |
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Obama talked about offering up what Members of congress have..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-01-09 02:46 PM |
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So you didn't see this? |
GCP |
Nov-01-09 03:03 PM |
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seems to me accuracy was his strongest point..Ed was 100% right! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 05:10 PM |
#44 |
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Shame on bigdarryl - this was cleared up on Chris Matthews weeks ago... |
JohnnyK |
Nov-01-09 03:13 PM |
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And even if bigdarryl is right, how does that make Obama a better president? |
jgraz |
Nov-01-09 03:36 PM |
#28 |
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John Amato wrote about this 2 weeks ago... |
JohnnyK |
Nov-01-09 03:20 PM |
#24 |
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I am going to K&R this, hoping people will read.... |
bvar22 |
Nov-01-09 04:05 PM |
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amazing isn't it, and they have the nerve to call others liars without even checking documentation! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:43 PM |
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+1 Too many people continue to delude themselves ... they WANT to believe the image ... |
ShortnFiery |
Nov-01-09 05:05 PM |
#43 |
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OP better read this..! look here >>> |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:07 PM |
#31 |
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As I said--it is the Daschel language that was used in the |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 08:39 AM |
#79 |
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from Obama's own Campaign web site: |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:36 PM |
#32 |
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public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-01-09 04:40 PM |
#34 |
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no it is not unless you think only 2% of Americans are the only uninsured .. |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:44 PM |
#39 |
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that is not what this thread is about..the op said Ed Shutlz lied..he did not! |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 05:19 PM |
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LOL! Figures. |
donco6 |
Nov-01-09 04:41 PM |
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But a PO is in the health bill proposal, both in the house and the senate.... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-01-09 04:42 PM |
#36 |
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Ask the OP. |
donco6 |
Nov-01-09 04:43 PM |
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A public option that only covers 2% is neither public nor much of an option. |
Raineyb |
Nov-02-09 02:44 PM |
#110 |
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Healthcare FLASHBACKS (w/VIDEO) Huffingtonpost |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 04:48 PM |
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Looks like Ed Shultz is RIGHT and you are wrong |
itsrobert |
Nov-01-09 05:34 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-01-09 05:53 PM |
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Some people recommend a lie if it tells them what they want to hear n/t |
majamay |
Nov-01-09 05:57 PM |
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I believe itis better to let it stand so others that try to repeat the same lipstick on a pig will |
flyarm |
Nov-01-09 06:25 PM |
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There are sharks everywhere and Big Ed is jumping all of them. NT |
Clio the Leo |
Nov-01-09 07:50 PM |
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Not on this issue. Read the tread. |
joeycola |
Nov-01-09 08:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-02-09 02:13 AM |
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"Get Lost TROLL. Go wave to your pizza buddies up close now asshat." |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 08:03 AM |
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off your meds I see. Holy CRAP |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-02-09 08:13 AM |
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Go ahead. tell the voters they are stupid for having voted for HOPE |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-01-09 09:10 PM |
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I wish that when obvious factual errors are the major part of an OP that the mods would lock it. |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-01-09 09:36 PM |
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so everyone is linking to the current OFA webstite... |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 12:46 AM |
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That plan was posted there before election day, obviously |
majamay |
Nov-02-09 01:00 AM |
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well, thats fine, but what your linking to is not campaign material |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 01:02 AM |
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Your claim that the document is not campaign material is contradicted by Politifact.com |
majamay |
Nov-02-09 01:22 AM |
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im not saying they are lying but perhaps wrong |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 08:45 AM |
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FDL has this in which Obama memtioned the PO as part of the National |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 09:14 AM |
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even politico thinks its a stretch to call this a campaign promise |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 09:21 AM |
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you may be surpised to learn this but.. |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 09:23 AM |
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Sorry, my mistake. This one will take |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 09:34 AM |
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very interesting, heres what has me confused though |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 10:30 AM |
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1) It's not Politico. It's Politifact. 2) They did not say it's a stretch |
majamay |
Nov-02-09 10:35 AM |
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to be accurate, he never said public option |
mkultra |
Nov-03-09 10:22 AM |
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obama sucks geitner sucks pelosi sucks reid sucks they all SUCK |
natrat |
Nov-02-09 08:21 AM |
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Yeap, I wish McKKKlan and Palin were running things, everything would be 100% better now |
uponit7771 |
Nov-02-09 10:15 AM |
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+1 fuck democrats |
mkultra |
Nov-02-09 10:31 AM |
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I don't recall a campaign "promise" for a public option, either. |
Orsino |
Nov-02-09 09:41 AM |
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But, indeed he and Joe did..... |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 11:20 AM |
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I'm only questioning whether this counts as a "promise." |
Orsino |
Nov-02-09 12:12 PM |
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Yes, I see his campaign health plan as a promise to the American people.... |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Well, that's a pretty strong case for the Obama-Biden plan... |
Orsino |
Nov-02-09 01:53 PM |
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Seems we will just have to disagree |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 02:56 PM |
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Ahhh - more BULLSHIT from bigdarryl - how surprising...NOT!!! |
TankLV |
Nov-02-09 10:59 AM |
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"one hit wonder" poster drives by yet again. Boring n/t |
firedupdem |
Nov-02-09 01:13 PM |
#103 |
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