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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:44 PM
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45. Well since I supported Obama and now make posts that he is a Corporate President, I can relate
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 04:46 PM by Armstead
Despite my ranting and raging here of late, I'm basically what could be called a moderate progressive. I liked Obamas approach and his rationality.

But I feel like I'm going through deja vu all over again. The 90's, when Clinton pushed a corporate "free market agenda" that hollowed out the real economy and the 00's, when Democrats allowed Bush to walk all over them with nary a peep of protest.

I thought (hoped?) that Obama and the new majority status of Congressional Democrats would set us going in a new direction. Nogt necedsarily overnight. Not necessarily "radical." But moving in the direction of true liberal/progressive reform and away from the stranglehold that the corporate oligarchs have placed on the system and on us.

Alas, as I said in my epic post yesterday, I feel a sinking feeling watching Obama turn to the same people that helped create this mess in the 90's. Watching him avoid stepping too hard on the toes of the rich and powerful.

It seems bigger then the issue watching healthcare reform devolve into mandates with very little real constraints on private insurance (can you say "regulation of prices" boys and girls?) and a lameass "public option"

I hope Obama shakes off the shackles of DLC conventional wisdom and allows his inner Liberal progressive" out.
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  -Can someone give me a rational explanation AllentownJake  Oct-31-09 03:04 PM   #0 
  - Sigh. n/t  Sukie   Oct-31-09 03:09 PM   #1 
  - I know. Does this one like the sound of his own voice (words) or what??  Number23   Oct-31-09 07:46 PM   #75 
  - If it doesn't seem logical, it probably isn't.  liberalmuse   Oct-31-09 03:10 PM   #2 
  - Not exactly  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:13 PM   #4 
  - You got that is the ECONOMY stupid!  Garam_Masala   Oct-31-09 05:21 PM   #53 
     - And republicans still have no plan of what? n/t  firedupdem   Oct-31-09 06:18 PM   #65 
        - That won't matter to the unwashed masses...  Garam_Masala   Oct-31-09 07:09 PM   #71 
  - Maybe the problem is many don't support the man  booley   Oct-31-09 03:57 PM   #18 
     - The main reason I voted for Obama was McCain and Palin.  ZombieHorde   Oct-31-09 05:43 PM   #58 
  - I find your post childish. But I'm sure many will join you. n/t  vaberella   Oct-31-09 03:13 PM   #3 
  - It was an honest question  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:14 PM   #5 
  - Spoken like a true believer.  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 03:25 PM   #11 
     - Dude, you're the biggest true believer I've read in a long time  Teaser   Oct-31-09 03:43 PM   #15 
  - Maybe you need more fiber. n/t  NYC_SKP   Oct-31-09 03:15 PM   #6 
  - No I'm pretty consistent  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:16 PM   #7 
     - Reminds me of the line from '95 movie  Jakes Progress   Oct-31-09 03:24 PM   #9 
        - Glad to see I'm not the only one  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:25 PM   #10 
  - Partisans aren't known for their rationality. It's pure emotion, from Obama to  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 03:22 PM   #8 
  - Who wouldn't have cognitive disconnect given those circumstances?  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Oct-31-09 03:28 PM   #12 
  - In the last few months we've seen that our system is incredibly corrupt...  polichick   Oct-31-09 03:28 PM   #13 
  - Good summary  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:30 PM   #14 
     - The problem with that reasoning  iceman66   Oct-31-09 05:32 PM   #56 
  - Self-righteous? Self-important? Illogical?  ProSense   Oct-31-09 03:49 PM   #16 
  - Wow I really was a kool-aid drinker  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 03:53 PM   #17 
  - Completely unfair  grantcart   Oct-31-09 04:02 PM   #20 
     - Unfair? Anyone who goes around labeling people "Kool-Aid Drinkers," "Sarah Palin" and more  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:05 PM   #21 
     - You earned that title  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:11 PM   #24 
     - Name calling is not a substitute for logic. You seem to resort to it when  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:14 PM   #26 
        - At least I can type my own thoughts  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:15 PM   #28 
           - How is  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:17 PM   #30 
              - You are so predictable  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:18 PM   #33 
                 - That's my impression too - endless talking points. nt  polichick   Oct-31-09 04:22 PM   #35 
                 - It's odd the timing is right on  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:23 PM   #37 
                 - "It is almost like you are a robot...or paid staff."  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:23 PM   #36 
                    - Ok,  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:25 PM   #39 
     - Anyone who worked 20 hours a day for weeks on end for the Obama campaign  grantcart   Oct-31-09 04:18 PM   #32 
        - "It is very Un-Obama-esque" What the hell does my opinion have to do with Obama?  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:20 PM   #34 
           - Here is the deal  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:37 PM   #43 
           - Who cares? LOL!  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:45 PM   #46 
              - I just laugh  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:50 PM   #47 
                 - "If your goal is to drum up support for Barack Obama" at DU?  ProSense   Oct-31-09 04:53 PM   #48 
           - What the hell does my opinion have to do with Obama  grantcart   Oct-31-09 04:58 PM   #49 
     - In fairness  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:15 PM   #27 
        - You guys are in love - well in that case never mind!  grantcart   Oct-31-09 04:59 PM   #50 
  - As you know I strongly admired the work you did during the campaign  grantcart   Oct-31-09 03:59 PM   #19 
  - Thank you for a well thought out response  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:11 PM   #23 
     - It is frightening and some places like Detroit it looks impossible  grantcart   Oct-31-09 04:25 PM   #40 
        - He needs to go after Wall Street  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:32 PM   #42 
  - There are a number of DU'ers (albeit their numbers are shrinking) who will brook  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-31-09 04:07 PM   #22 
  - The picture of him shaking hands with me  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:13 PM   #25 
     - Nice, Jake. Good for you. I'd say it was my impression during the run-up to the election  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-31-09 04:24 PM   #38 
        - I'm proud of that moment  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:27 PM   #41 
           - self delete  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-31-09 04:39 PM   #44 
  - We finally have a President who believes in the separation of powers...  ChicagoSuz219   Oct-31-09 04:15 PM   #29 
  - I get more worked up about economic policy  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:17 PM   #31 
     - Obama is nothing if not pragmatic.  iceman66   Oct-31-09 05:41 PM   #57 
     - You get one shot at this apple  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 05:46 PM   #59 
        - Not a fair comparison.  iceman66   Oct-31-09 05:51 PM   #62 
        - I think you need to do a little bit of reading on Herbert Hoover  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 05:53 PM   #63 
        - I would, but can't find my Oijua (sp?) board... ;-) nt  ChicagoSuz219   Oct-31-09 07:30 PM   #73 
     - It's all connected... nt  ChicagoSuz219   Oct-31-09 07:28 PM   #72 
  - Well since I supported Obama and now make posts that he is a Corporate President, I can relate  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:44 PM   #45 
  - Hang in there, kiddo - I'm pulling for you.  cliffordu   Oct-31-09 05:09 PM   #51 
  - You know when you can quote Herbert Hoover  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 05:15 PM   #52 
  - impatience. Unrealistically high expectations.  iceman66   Oct-31-09 05:24 PM   #54 
  - My griping  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 05:31 PM   #55 
     - Well, if that's your gripe,  iceman66   Oct-31-09 05:46 PM   #60 
     - It seemed like a hole bunch of huffing and puffing  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 05:51 PM   #61 
     - The argument against insurance mandates was a phony argument from the beginning.  BzaDem   Oct-31-09 06:30 PM   #66 
        - We'll see if it passes constitutional judical scrutiny  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 06:33 PM   #67 
           - It is essentially a tax credit for having health insurance.  BzaDem   Oct-31-09 06:38 PM   #68 
              - I don't support the federal government  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 06:46 PM   #69 
                 - That's like saying that the federal government is requiring you to have children.  BzaDem   Oct-31-09 06:56 PM   #70 
  - Here, I think you should read this.  johnaries   Oct-31-09 05:58 PM   #64 
  - Perhaps you have fallen under the influence of Goldstein. n/t  QC   Oct-31-09 07:40 PM   #74 
  - You exaggerated the power of the presidency, maybe? n/t  philly_bob   Oct-31-09 10:25 PM   #76 
  - I think that  ampad   Nov-01-09 01:17 AM   #77 

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