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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 04:17 PM
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170. 30 plus years of Reaganism that included 8 years of Clinton/Reaganism
You can slam people who hope for something better if you want.

But your brand of dead-end cynicism is what helped perpetuate the results of Reaganism.

Perhaps if you supported those who are asking more from our leadership,instead of tossing your cute sarcasm at those who still believe change is possible, we would not now be in a situation where your expectations have to be so low.
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  -Obama is Bill Clinton -- A Corporate President Armstead  Oct-30-09 07:52 PM   #0 
  - I got trampled when I mentioned in the primaries that they both want to be liked too much. nt  Captain Hilts   Oct-30-09 07:53 PM   #1 
  - Good.  Cha   Oct-30-09 08:04 PM   #10 
  - There are a lot of similarities. I'm just too well-read in presidential history I guess.  Captain Hilts   Oct-30-09 08:04 PM   #11 
     - I don't..I know Obama too well..  Cha   Oct-30-09 09:37 PM   #69 
     - If I recall  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 10:22 PM   #78 
     - yes, im sure your education was the problem.  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:55 AM   #128 
  - imo that's true - and it seems this prez is desperate to be liked by scum. nt  polichick   Oct-30-09 08:41 PM   #41 
  - imo - it seems this prez gets attacked daily by hateful scum making desperate claims  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 10:31 AM   #142 
  - You were exactly right.  salguine   Oct-30-09 10:11 PM   #74 
  - Bullshit... the two men couldn't be more different in their personal and public lives.  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 10:29 AM   #140 
  - I can use some extra money. Can you tell me what lottery numbers will come  NYCGirl   Oct-30-09 07:54 PM   #2 
  - Clinton = Health reform fails, Glass Steagall repealed, DOMA, DADT passed, etc  ProSense   Oct-30-09 07:55 PM   #3 
  - Health Care Deform and using the US Treasury to clean up the mess  Armstead   Oct-30-09 07:58 PM   #4 
  - "Question: Why do you fail to recognize that the same economic geniuses that guided Clintonomics  jesus_of_suburbia   Oct-30-09 10:20 PM   #75 
     - Goldman Sachs and Wall Street  newspeak   Nov-01-09 09:27 PM   #192 
  - What do these things have to do with Obama, except for the fact  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:01 PM   #6 
  - "These folks are worse than the right"  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:02 PM   #8 
  - There are activists, and then there are real assholes.  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:03 PM   #9 
     - One person's activist is another person's asshole  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:05 PM   #12 
        - Activist are people pushing for change......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:08 PM   #13 
        - I don't believe he's saved this country  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:10 PM   #14 
        - Well you have a right to that opinion.......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:11 PM   #17 
        - I think statements like "saved the country"  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:13 PM   #18 
           - You can take that shit up with Wanda Sykes......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:15 PM   #20 
           - Last time I checked she was a comedian  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:27 PM   #23 
              - She's an activist.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:30 PM   #28 
              - Good for her  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:31 PM   #30 
                 - My point was what Ms. Sykes said......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:34 PM   #35 
                    - Why would I care if Wanda Skykes said the President saved the country?  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:40 PM   #39 
                       - This conversation is beyond you.......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:42 PM   # 
                          - No you cited a comedian saying the President save the world  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:43 PM   #46 
                             - Keep it up. You are starting to sound foolish.  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:55 PM   #57 
                                - LOL  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:58 PM   #59 
                                - Clean it up.  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 09:01 PM   #60 
                                - This absolutely the dumbest conversation on DU  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 09:02 PM   #62 
                                - well, half of it was  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:58 AM   #129 
              - I have a hunch  jeanpalmer   Oct-31-09 06:10 AM   #119 
              - Totally wrong on that  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:24 AM   #138 
              - Pakistan and Afghanistan?  olegramps   Oct-31-09 09:23 AM   #131 
           - The point was it would have been much worse  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:23 AM   #137 
        - If you think the government's numbers are a lie  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:21 AM   #136 
           - The truth is in the numbers  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 12:32 PM   #149 
        - how is continuing where Bush left off saving this country? how  jonnyblitz   Oct-30-09 08:32 PM   #32 
           - Obama ain't continuing shit....  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:41 PM   #42 
        - And then there is Obama  izquierdista   Oct-30-09 08:37 PM   #36 
  - I have patience if I see a clear direction -- But bringing back the Clinton crew....  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:15 PM   #19 
  - Then you are just going to have to be nervous......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:17 PM   #21 
     - You're giving them a pass instead of holding their feet to the fire  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:29 PM   #27 
     - I'm making sure that he can walk to where he needs to in order  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:33 PM   #33 
     - Then just be a cheerleader, no matter what  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:42 PM   #45 
        - Go ahead and label me......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:43 PM   #48 
        - Your posts lable everybody  Bluenorthwest   Oct-31-09 08:16 AM   #126 
           - LOL...  joeycola   Oct-31-09 09:27 AM   #132 
           - I can say it now...."fuck shit asshole fuckers"..... if that will give you that much more enjoyment!  FrenchieCat   Oct-31-09 06:34 PM   #183 
        - You call your whining opposition  Hutzpa   Oct-30-09 09:46 PM   #70 
        - Oh yes that word "whining"....always a favorite of wingnuts and centrist conservative Democrats  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:27 PM   #82 
           - More like funky flamebait......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 10:29 PM   #84 
              - Flamebait only if people respond with flames  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:37 PM   #88 
                 - Calling the President...essentially a "Corporatist".......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 10:43 PM   #90 
                    - Obama isn't looking strong so far, FrenchieCat  Mimosa   Oct-31-09 06:03 AM   #118 
                       - Obama isn't looking strong to you so far......based on your criteria....  FrenchieCat   Oct-31-09 06:26 PM   #182 
                          - Frenchie, just put me in the Helen Thomas category.  Mimosa   Nov-01-09 07:25 PM   #189 
        - You've adopted a position that one must always be critical and  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:27 AM   #139 
           - I'm reluctantly negative because I'm disappointed at seeing the same ol' crap yet again  Armstead   Oct-31-09 03:54 PM   #162 
     - By the end of the 90's we were ultimately in about the same position as were during Bush 41  Mimosa   Oct-31-09 06:00 AM   #117 
     - +1  Raine1967   Oct-31-09 12:08 AM   #109 
  - Not 16 years - add in the 12 Reagan/Bush years  karynnj   Oct-30-09 09:04 PM   #63 
  - +1  firedupdem   Oct-30-09 08:10 PM   #15 
  - One humongous difference between Bill & Barack  Garam_Masala   Oct-30-09 09:52 PM   #71 
  - The current deficits are temporary  niceypoo   Oct-31-09 12:08 PM   #145 
  - The 'mess' that balanced the budget...  niceypoo   Oct-31-09 12:06 PM   #144 
  - I need an aspirin  bluestateguy   Oct-30-09 08:00 PM   #5 
  - So do I -- You think I LIKE feeling this way?  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:01 PM   #7 
  - He's merely a reflection of his time  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:11 PM   #16 
  - That;s the problem....Obama should not be a reflection of shit in shitty times  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:23 PM   #22 
  - You need money to run a campaign  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:28 PM   #25 
     - That can't be used an excuse to neuter the political system  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:39 PM   #38 
        - One side has delusions  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:42 PM   #44 
  - LOL!  ProSense   Oct-30-09 08:31 PM   #29 
  - I live in the real world  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:38 PM   #37 
     - "Any health care bill at this point will be able to be spun as a vicotry."  ProSense   Oct-30-09 08:43 PM   #47 
     - We'll take a look at what we are calling a public option  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:45 PM   # 
        - The uninsured and many people get a public option and the  ProSense   Oct-30-09 08:51 PM   #53 
           - Do me a favor  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 08:54 PM   #56 
     - +1000  Hippo_Tron   Nov-01-09 07:32 PM   #190 
  - So you mistrust anyone simply because they are a politician  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:30 AM   #141 
  - So what?  cliffordu   Oct-30-09 08:27 PM   #24 
  - Mature response, I must say.  Armstead   Oct-30-09 08:40 PM   #40 
     - We are ALL slaves to the corporations. Why not the politicians???  cliffordu   Oct-30-09 09:34 PM   #68 
        - I agree with you there  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:28 PM   #83 
  - At least Clinton would pull up his sleeves and wrangle members of Congress.  tblue   Oct-30-09 08:29 PM   #26 
  - Clinton got what achieved? Sure in the fuck wasn't fucking health Care?  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:45 PM   #50 
     - Obama hasn't passed health care either  blue_onyx   Oct-31-09 10:18 AM   #134 
        - I'm not a purist.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-31-09 06:20 PM   #181 
           - Interesting  blue_onyx   Oct-31-09 08:28 PM   #185 
  - you are exactly correct. nt  jonnyblitz   Oct-30-09 08:31 PM   #31 
  - I wish it weren't true - but it certainly is looking that way. nt  polichick   Oct-30-09 08:33 PM   #34 
  - Yes, for the crowd trying to give the Clinton presidency progressive credibility it does.  ProSense   Oct-30-09 08:41 PM   #43 
     - I don't care about all that - I care about the constant caving to corporate interests NOW. nt  polichick   Oct-30-09 08:44 PM   #49 
     - Right, because repealing the more than half-century old health insurance antitrust exemption is a  ProSense   Oct-30-09 08:45 PM   #51 
        - And there's all the new business for the ins. companies and the deal with big pharma...  polichick   Oct-30-09 08:53 PM   #54 
        - They will continue to move the fucking goalpost........  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 08:53 PM   #55 
     - lol  Metric System   Oct-30-09 09:16 PM   #65 
  - Bush or Clinton... Obama can't be both.  NYC_SKP   Oct-30-09 08:47 PM   #52 
  - sure he can.....  firedupdem   Oct-30-09 08:57 PM   #58 
  - Here you go  Hutzpa   Oct-30-09 09:33 PM   #67 
  - I didn't say he is Bush  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:24 PM   #80 
  - LOL!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-30-09 11:12 PM   #98 
  - Yeah a Corporate President who is going after offshore Corporate Tax Havens  Thrill   Oct-30-09 09:01 PM   #61 
  - Tiny drop in the bucket.  emilyg   Oct-30-09 09:09 PM   #64 
  - Yes, same as clinton and iran contra.  ipaint   Oct-30-09 09:25 PM   #66 
  - Major difference between Bill Clinton and Barack Obama is...  Garam_Masala   Oct-30-09 09:59 PM   #72 
  - Major difference is that Obama inherited an economy on the brink of disaster....  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 10:22 PM   #77 
  - No question about Bush's last deficit of $400 billion  Garam_Masala   Oct-30-09 10:31 PM   #85 
     - It isn't 4 times that......(you are counting the 10 years it estimates to)....  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 11:06 PM   #95 
     - Per NY Times, exact budget deficit for fiscal 2009 = $1.8 TRILLION  Garam_Masala   Oct-31-09 12:14 AM   #111 
        - You do realize...  PolNewf   Oct-31-09 07:56 AM   #124 
           - Ok dokie n/t  Garam_Masala   Oct-31-09 02:28 PM   #154 
     - Yeah, but it's a deficit with a Recovery in mind and  Cha   Nov-01-09 09:41 PM   #195 
  - Barack is giving us huge deficits??? Cleaning up bush's mess!  firedupdem   Oct-30-09 10:25 PM   #81 
     - Wait a minute....I am quoting ACTUAL numbers  Garam_Masala   Oct-30-09 10:35 PM   #87 
        - Wrong again...  firedupdem   Oct-30-09 10:51 PM   #94 
           - Splitting hair?  Garam_Masala   Oct-31-09 12:08 AM   #110 
              - Ha! I quote your last post about your "actual figures"  firedupdem   Oct-31-09 12:16 AM   #112 
              - Is that the jeopardy music I hear looping in the background? n/t  JTFrog   Oct-31-09 05:32 AM   #116 
              - Deficit was estimated at $1.2-$1.3 tril before Obama even took office  PolNewf   Oct-31-09 08:05 AM   #125 
                 - Ding!  Orsino   Oct-31-09 04:01 PM   #166 
  - Boy, that brought out the Barackolytes, didn't it?  PurityOfEssence   Oct-30-09 09:59 PM   #73 
  - I had hoped he'd realize in the election who brlought him to the dance....  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:21 PM   #76 
     - You talk as if you represent a large group of folks.....when you speak for yourself.. perhaps a few  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 10:24 PM   #79 
        - Time will tell  Armstead   Oct-30-09 10:34 PM   #86 
           - Why don't you try grabbing  Hutzpa   Oct-30-09 10:44 PM   #91 
           - You are parroting a familiar old line  Armstead   Oct-31-09 03:58 PM   #163 
           - Politics is a long term situation......  FrenchieCat   Oct-30-09 10:47 PM   #92 
  - !  bvar22   Oct-30-09 10:42 PM   #89 
  - Where did you get that from??  Hutzpa   Oct-30-09 10:48 PM   #93 
     - Here it is.  bvar22   Oct-30-09 11:11 PM   #97 
        - You took an out dated  Hutzpa   Oct-30-09 11:34 PM   #102 
           - Oh?  bvar22   Oct-31-09 01:07 PM   #150 
           - The page may be outdated, but the people pictured are still there  Armstead   Oct-31-09 03:59 PM   #164 
  - This was such a fun read!!!  Beacool   Oct-30-09 11:06 PM   #96 
  - Funny how it managed to offend supporters of TWO popular Democratic presidents.  NYC_SKP   Oct-30-09 11:17 PM   #99 
     - Hi, Pooch!!!  Beacool   Oct-30-09 11:45 PM   #104 
     - We be chillin'  NYC_SKP   Oct-30-09 11:48 PM   #105 
        - Me too!!  Beacool   Oct-31-09 12:00 AM   #106 
           - I know that little church, not far from the NY Federal Reserve.  NYC_SKP   Oct-31-09 12:01 AM   #107 
              - It's the one right by Wall St.  Beacool   Oct-31-09 12:05 AM   #108 
     - "I'm a uniter"  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:01 PM   #165 
  - Armstead, I Agree Completely!  ProleNoMore   Oct-30-09 11:24 PM   #100 
  - Just because someone bails out corporate banks doesn't make them a corporate president.  Life Long Dem   Oct-30-09 11:28 PM   #101 
  - The Bush administration had a lot of help from the Clinton administration  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:05 PM   #167 
  - My rec didn't even register a positive. Seems like there are some folks here who don't  bertman   Oct-30-09 11:39 PM   #103 
  - It Would Appear That Many At DU Do Not Like Criticism Of The President  ProleNoMore   Oct-31-09 04:21 PM   #172 
     - If you've been lurking long (I say that because you only have 41 posts) you know that it  bertman   Oct-31-09 06:19 PM   #180 
        - Fair Vs Unfair Criticism? - Best Be Quiet Then  ProleNoMore   Oct-31-09 06:42 PM   #184 
  - How about this. Obama is Bill Clinton - a President of all the people. Not just Dems.  dolphindance   Oct-31-09 12:33 AM   #113 
  - I hope I can look b ack four years from now and say I am wrong as hell about Obama  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:08 PM   #168 
  - your thread is all insults and speculation  CTLawGuy   Oct-31-09 05:17 AM   #114 
  - Why can't I recommend this?  Mimosa   Oct-31-09 05:30 AM   #115 
  - Oh I fear those horrible days of budget surpluses and  dmallind   Oct-31-09 07:02 AM   #120 
  - deregulation of Wall St. and outspourcing and....  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:11 PM   #169 
  - Thanks for you concern, FRiend  BklnDem75   Oct-31-09 07:40 AM   #121 
  - I hit the jackpot - my rec took it to + 1  bread_and_roses   Oct-31-09 07:44 AM   #122 
  - For The Obama Bashers On This Thread  Yavin4   Oct-31-09 07:48 AM   #123 
  - You know, that "ponies" slur is just about on the level of kids at the "My Little Pony" stage  bread_and_roses   Oct-31-09 10:57 AM   #143 
  - Let Me Tell You My Expectations  Yavin4   Oct-31-09 02:51 PM   #156 
     - 30 plus years of Reaganism that included 8 years of Clinton/Reaganism  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:17 PM   #170 
  - I swear the dismissive attitude of the cheerleading class  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 12:25 PM   #147 
     - And Nothing Would Give You More Joy Than To See Him Fail  Yavin4   Oct-31-09 02:43 PM   #155 
        - I was a team leader in the primary and general election  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 02:53 PM   #157 
  - Obama is Bill Clinton?! Thank God  shotten99   Oct-31-09 08:50 AM   #127 
  - You don't even know what the word "corporate" means.  phleshdef   Oct-31-09 09:04 AM   #130 
  - Obama should have passed on this one.  olegramps   Oct-31-09 09:54 AM   #133 
  - Reversing 30 Years of Reganism Is Going To Take More Than One Obama  Yavin4   Oct-31-09 02:56 PM   #158 
  - I think the word is magnitude -- And i grasp it and agree with your assessment  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:20 PM   #171 
     - Do you see the statement by the post you responded too...?!  vaberella   Nov-01-09 01:04 AM   #187 
  - Clinton turned the deficit around and there was a good economy  treestar   Oct-31-09 10:20 AM   #135 
  - And He Sacrificed His Majorities in Congress To Do It  Yavin4   Oct-31-09 02:59 PM   #159 
  - A good economy is assessed largely by its aftermath  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:23 PM   #173 
  - Thank god for the corporate bailouts  mkultra   Oct-31-09 12:22 PM   #146 
  - Oh what hogwash. Go vote for Nader, and enjoy all your wasted time.  RBInMaine   Oct-31-09 12:29 PM   #148 
  - I hate Nader and what he did -- But that doen't mean I should hop on the DLC Gravy Train either  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:26 PM   #175 
  - That's pretty much it  brentspeak   Oct-31-09 01:59 PM   #151 
  - No argument from me. K & R, not that it helps here in GD-P la la land. nt  earth mom   Oct-31-09 02:22 PM   #152 
  - This is the Presidential Forum of DU.  Cha   Oct-31-09 02:26 PM   #153 
  - they both love Big Pharma and the FDA  mayya   Oct-31-09 03:06 PM   #160 
  - IBtL: I think you started this thread because you wanted to start drama on this board. n/t  vaberella   Oct-31-09 03:10 PM   #161 
  - I was venting....Call tha drama if you like  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:29 PM   #176 
     - You've been "venting" for days now. n/t  vaberella   Oct-31-09 04:42 PM   #178 
        - weeks  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:57 PM   #179 
           - Even worse...you like stirring up shit to start trouble. n/t  vaberella   Nov-01-09 01:05 AM   #188 
  - "... occasional TOKEN BONES" ????  smalll   Oct-31-09 04:25 PM   #174 
  - I meant a bone shaped like a token...Or a token shaped like a bone  Armstead   Oct-31-09 04:30 PM   #177 
  - He did praise Clintons efforts in his book I hear  BootinUp   Oct-31-09 08:55 PM   #186 
  - Dennis? Is that you? nt  Honeycombe8   Nov-01-09 08:02 PM   #191 
  - Well, the 1990s were prosperous under Clinton and the budget was balanced...  Deja Q   Nov-01-09 09:34 PM   #193 
  - FFS - What a raft of shit.  Justitia   Nov-01-09 09:37 PM   #194 
 

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