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Fri Oct-30-09 09:47 AM
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| 14. It's in there, it's just not going into effect immediately. |
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Not sure on the timeline for that to be implemented, but along with no lifetime monetary cap on care it will be part of the plan.
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| -Direct from Pelosi - the top 14 Provisions that take place IMMEDIATELY |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 06:50 AM |
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Some really good stuff - thanks for posting. k&r |
polichick |
Oct-30-09 06:51 AM |
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Thank you for this-rec'd. nt |
babylonsister |
Oct-30-09 06:51 AM |
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K & R |
gademocrat7 |
Oct-30-09 06:59 AM |
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High risk pools are a royal screw job. This is pretending to provide help without actually doing it |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 07:27 AM |
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Here are some facts about the HRP - I don't agree with you that it's a screw job at all |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 08:11 AM |
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I was going to say - I thought I heard a representative say that |
JimWis |
Oct-30-09 01:14 PM |
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I'd be just fine with Medicare on a VOLUNTARY buiy-in basis |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 07:52 PM |
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Neither you or Pelosi seem willing to discuss one of the more odious prospects of this bill |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 02:23 AM |
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I'm happy to discuss any aspect of the bill |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-31-09 11:30 PM |
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I called my congressman ... |
zoff |
Oct-31-09 09:53 AM |
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It's not affordable for middle income people--single person with income greater than 43K will pay |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 10:56 AM |
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High Risk Pool vs uninsured. Hmmmmm, which one is more dangerous? |
Merlot |
Oct-30-09 08:35 PM |
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High Risk Pool vs uninsured. Hmmmmm, which one is more dangerous? |
Merlot |
Oct-30-09 08:35 PM |
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High risk pools may save millions from bankruptcy |
Politicub |
Oct-30-09 09:52 PM |
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HIgh risk pools will drive millions of others into poverty |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 11:09 PM |
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You are jumping to conclusions about what I think |
Politicub |
Oct-30-09 11:54 PM |
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I'm not asking for perfect. I am asking them not to do something that will harm reform |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 12:39 AM |
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U R right. my state has a high risk pool, but it isn't cheap |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Oct-30-09 10:34 PM |
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11 is huge -- I'm surpised not to have heard anything about it until now |
Blue State Blues |
Oct-30-09 08:25 AM |
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WHOA, you're right! There is no medicare part "C" for and you'd have to buy some off beat insurance |
uponit7771 |
Oct-30-09 08:56 AM |
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You're right it is a very big deal. |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 09:00 AM |
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Well, as someone who is trashing the bill because it isn't Single-Payer or Medicare for all ... |
Blue State Blues |
Oct-30-09 11:24 AM |
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Not in your case (or mine) |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 11:39 AM |
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Agreed ... push for the best we can get now |
Blue State Blues |
Oct-30-09 11:50 AM |
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That makes sense. |
euphoria12leo |
Oct-30-09 01:57 PM |
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I think people just oppose bribing the criminals to quit stealing so much. It |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-30-09 03:39 PM |
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Good Post John Q, Just One Question..... |
timzi |
Oct-31-09 07:01 AM |
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Obama used to support single payer back when he was running for the |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 11:12 AM |
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see below.... |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 10:59 AM |
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K&R! |
JTFrog |
Oct-30-09 08:46 AM |
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Good summary, thanks! |
TwilightGardener |
Oct-30-09 08:53 AM |
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13. COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS & 4. are big IMO, |
uponit7771 |
Oct-30-09 08:55 AM |
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Yup....we have a few in Harlem. A few more would come in handy. n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-30-09 11:33 AM |
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starting to shape up. I would like to see the ban on preexisting conditions |
mkultra |
Oct-30-09 09:07 AM |
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It's in there, it's just not going into effect immediately. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-30-09 09:47 AM |
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Right: let us go without and die before we get help? |
Mimosa |
Oct-31-09 06:12 AM |
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then stop voting republican. |
mkultra |
Oct-31-09 08:53 AM |
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I don't. How weird is that reply. n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-01-09 07:22 PM |
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just suprising. |
mkultra |
Nov-01-09 08:35 PM |
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good, i was worried about that one. |
mkultra |
Oct-31-09 08:53 AM |
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It's not really a very detailed or complete summary - could be much better |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 10:18 AM |
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yep... when that is included, the glass will be half full indeed. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Oct-31-09 09:52 PM |
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Yay! More happy Phoebe!!!! NT |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-30-09 09:41 AM |
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Rec'd. I see a glass half full. And what we had before was an empty glass. |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-30-09 10:11 AM |
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Agreed. Amendments will help and future legislation during the next term.n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-30-09 11:30 AM |
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We got our foot in the door and the Republicans are Freaking OUT! |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-30-09 11:52 AM |
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Are they allowing amendments? I heard they are NOT allowing any. |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 10:45 AM |
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Self deleted dupe. n/t |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 10:45 AM |
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A glass half full emerged out of |
Cha |
Oct-30-09 01:21 PM |
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It's too bad |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-01-09 01:59 AM |
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Just That It Is No Longer A Gless....It Is A Thimble |
timzi |
Oct-31-09 07:05 AM |
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That's positive. As someone who is about to turn 23 and in grad school |
rockymountaindem |
Oct-30-09 10:17 AM |
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Good luck...29 and that didn't work out. Ugh, my parents couldn't even hold me until 23. |
vaberella |
Oct-30-09 11:27 AM |
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All she has to do is drop the mandate for individual coverage... |
derby378 |
Oct-30-09 10:17 AM |
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Slaves of Big Insurance? |
BluinTX |
Oct-30-09 10:33 AM |
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As for my wife and I, however, we may be stuck |
derby378 |
Oct-30-09 10:46 AM |
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Thanks Phoebe. I love my President and Pelosi!!! Shit...I love this Gov---as long as I exclude... |
vaberella |
Oct-30-09 11:26 AM |
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So that is what a compromise looks like?? |
and-justice-for-all |
Oct-30-09 11:34 AM |
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List for me the 60 Senators and 218 House members that would vote for your plan. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Oct-30-09 01:04 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-30-09 03:22 PM |
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Love The "Universal Health Care Is Pro Life" Banner |
timzi |
Oct-31-09 07:13 AM |
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what about mandates and fines |
optimator |
Oct-30-09 11:49 AM |
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You're wrong, of course. |
bornskeptic |
Oct-31-09 07:51 AM |
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My nephew is seriously considering medical school. I am gonna urge him |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-30-09 11:59 AM |
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Kick. Thanks, Phoebe Loosinhouse! |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-30-09 12:59 PM |
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+1000 |
Hutzpa |
Oct-30-09 03:17 PM |
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And, this is what Dean was ADAMANT about last |
Cha |
Oct-30-09 01:17 PM |
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"it's too long and has a lot of big words" - LOVE IT! very funny & very true! eom |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-30-09 02:08 PM |
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It's dawning on me that little if any of the stuff on this list is being reported |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 03:04 PM |
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Does this mean that I might actually have health insurance for |
janx |
Oct-30-09 03:07 PM |
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It does if we can get people to get excited about that idea |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-30-09 03:11 PM |
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Yes! If you can afford the premiums... |
Garam_Masala |
Oct-30-09 06:18 PM |
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Where did you read that? |
ekelly |
Oct-30-09 11:55 PM |
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if you can afford it! For a single middle income person--up to 12% of income |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 09:55 AM |
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It all depends on various factors, including what Congress would define as |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 10:56 AM |
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#9 is pathetic |
depakid |
Oct-30-09 03:10 PM |
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Impressive |
Hutzpa |
Oct-30-09 03:15 PM |
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BRAVO! But, lets whine about what isn't in the bill instead. So much more fun! |
mzmolly |
Oct-30-09 03:15 PM |
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I want to whine about what is in the bill. Mandates. While most Americans |
rhett o rick |
Oct-30-09 03:58 PM |
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Who gets to define "strong" public option? As for the mandates, |
mzmolly |
Oct-30-09 05:11 PM |
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I agree it's a beginning. And I admit I havent studied the mandates yet. I am |
rhett o rick |
Oct-30-09 05:31 PM |
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I don't blame you. But when I heard some define strong public option as |
mzmolly |
Oct-30-09 06:00 PM |
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Peace back, mzmolly. |
rhett o rick |
Oct-30-09 06:13 PM |
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Dupe deleted... |
mzmolly |
Oct-30-09 06:00 PM |
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Helps explain why it's so long |
treestar |
Oct-30-09 05:14 PM |
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Copying and sending out to everybody |
livetohike |
Oct-30-09 05:25 PM |
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I see things that offset the high cost of insurance... |
SKKY |
Oct-30-09 08:11 PM |
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Why would the Big Insurers allow for something that |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 02:11 AM |
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#5 would be an immediate help to me & my family. . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Oct-30-09 08:30 PM |
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K&R |
The Wielding Truth |
Oct-30-09 08:41 PM |
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Looks good now, but what will it be after the Senate gets hold of it. |
alfredo |
Oct-30-09 08:55 PM |
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And, sadly, none of it will survive the Senate |
Pab Sungenis |
Oct-30-09 09:03 PM |
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What about Preexisting Condition |
chitown606 |
Oct-30-09 09:08 PM |
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marking for future reference |
Deep13 |
Oct-30-09 09:30 PM |
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Holy crap - I could save $1000's if I could keep my Cobra coverage |
HughMoran |
Oct-30-09 09:36 PM |
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I am not sure about the Cobra dealings |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 01:45 AM |
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Here are URLs for the bill -- Summary and full 1900 pages) |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 02:02 AM |
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Thanks, I need to look into this |
HughMoran |
Oct-31-09 09:17 AM |
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Crap - I probably can't get an extention |
HughMoran |
Oct-31-09 09:38 AM |
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Rec and Hallelujah. These are a big deal. |
Hekate |
Oct-30-09 10:39 PM |
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Odd that none of the pompom waving posts mention MANDATES, no? |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 11:06 PM |
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Or question that it only "starts" to close the donut hole? |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:51 PM |
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According to the OP and its full sentences, |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 02:04 AM |
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You need to read the OP again, this is what it says about the donut hole |
dflprincess |
Oct-31-09 09:23 PM |
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And no one is mentioning what the Government's |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 01:47 AM |
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Oh and here's an important thing |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 11:01 AM |
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K&R |
DUlover2909 |
Oct-30-09 11:23 PM |
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no, it's not much good |
Aragorn |
Oct-30-09 11:56 PM |
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Aragorn, you are RIGHT ON! |
chadmak09 |
Oct-31-09 12:34 AM |
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Plus the government's own Accounting People estimate the government will offset |
truedelphi |
Oct-31-09 01:56 AM |
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re #5 |
annabanana |
Oct-31-09 09:44 AM |
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I think there is going to much anger when folks discover the limitations |
joeycola |
Oct-31-09 09:59 AM |
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You're cavalier and dismissive of some important things |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-31-09 01:48 PM |
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The deductibles (aka "cost-sharing" in the bill) are not capped at $1,500 |
dflprincess |
Oct-31-09 09:35 PM |
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The deductible and the cost sharing are 2 different things |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Oct-31-09 10:57 PM |
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And on page 9 it says: |
dflprincess |
Nov-01-09 12:13 PM |
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Thank you for posting this. |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-30-09 11:59 PM |
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keep kicking and |
angee_is_mad |
Oct-31-09 12:02 AM |
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have you checked out the costs for a middle-income person or family of this bill?? |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 12:38 AM |
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Or at least no more than $150/month. |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 02:07 AM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
Oct-31-09 01:32 AM |
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marking for reference |
patrice |
Oct-31-09 01:37 AM |
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Thanks; will forward accordingly! |
Dangerously Amused |
Oct-31-09 01:59 AM |
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Is anyone counting |
snot |
Oct-31-09 02:02 AM |
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So, where do we sign up for the death panels? |
Major Hogwash |
Oct-31-09 03:36 AM |
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My nephew is campaigning hard for this - he is 19 and no insurance |
LynneSin |
Oct-31-09 05:03 AM |
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So, pull the usefel parts out and pass them separately |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 08:40 AM |
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i'd be able to get my son covered |
barbtries |
Oct-31-09 05:27 AM |
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Public LTC ... wow! and funding for CHC's .. awesome! |
zoff |
Oct-31-09 07:30 AM |
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Yes but $50 - $75 per day benefits won't help that much. LTC costs here RIGHT NOW are over $200/day. |
demodonkey |
Nov-01-09 02:26 AM |
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Link please. |
zoff |
Nov-01-09 07:00 PM |
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We should all have this list committed to memory. . . n/t |
annabanana |
Oct-31-09 09:35 AM |
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This may be all we can hope for. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-31-09 09:52 AM |
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yep. Folks, read the details, not the promotional material. It SUCKS. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 10:02 AM |
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For people, unaffordable and unsustainable. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-31-09 10:08 AM |
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I agree with all of that except................ |
chadmak09 |
Oct-31-09 10:39 AM |
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yes, it's a sham. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 10:57 AM |
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I agree except |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-31-09 11:00 AM |
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Just MAKE SURE that the KUCINICH AMENDMENT gets added back in...... |
demodonkey |
Nov-01-09 01:25 AM |
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Agreed! |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-01-09 05:28 AM |
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I'm interested in #12, being an early retiree! |
WinkyDink |
Nov-01-09 01:08 PM |
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the donut hole reduction helps my in-laws |
newspeak |
Nov-01-09 01:27 PM |
#138 |
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Really, really good stuff. |
Zoeisright |
Nov-01-09 10:51 PM |
#142 |
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Good stuff! If only it goes through and soon. n/t |
Mimosa |
Nov-02-09 12:12 AM |
#143 |
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