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26. Interesting article,
I would have liked them to have used the kind of in-your-face antics the tea-partiers embraced in the health care debate too.
I found this part fascinating,

" Obama's people had created something both entirely new and entirely old: an Internet version of the top-down political machines built by Richard Daley in Chicago or Boss Tweed in New York. The difference (other than technology) was that this new machine would rely on ideological loyalty, not patronage. And that was a big difference. The old machines survived as top-down organizations because they gave people on the bottom something tangible in return for their participation."
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  -Disorganized - What happened to Obama's massive network of grassroots activists? Beacool  Oct-29-09 07:08 PM   #0 
  - 300,000 of us shut down the White House phones last week  sandnsea   Oct-29-09 07:10 PM   #1 
  - That right. We'r quiet, but deadly.  graywarrior   Oct-29-09 07:11 PM   #2 
  - It does say that lately they have sharpened their pitch.  Beacool   Oct-29-09 07:15 PM   #4 
     - We've been building since June  sandnsea   Oct-29-09 07:43 PM   #16 
     - A lot of the recent energy on the left re. health care, is blogger-generated.  burning rain   Oct-29-09 08:10 PM   #28 
        - They haven't done a thing  sandnsea   Oct-30-09 03:38 AM   #51 
        - bloggers have done nothing.  mkultra   Oct-31-09 12:50 PM   #100 
  - What should Plouffe be doing now, as far as your concerned?  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:14 PM   #3 
  - Advising the president.  Beacool   Oct-29-09 07:18 PM   #6 
  - You are right on the title......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:43 PM   #15 
  - Hey, did you guys ever pay Mark Penn?  Tarheel_Dem   Oct-29-09 08:47 PM   #39 
  - Oooooh  Adelante   Oct-31-09 06:53 AM   #75 
  - The way Carville, Begala advised Bill to deepsix BCCI report in 93? oops... Jackson Stephens  blm   Oct-31-09 09:56 AM   #86 
  - She gave him and Axelrod a frowny face on another thread:  jenmito   Oct-29-09 07:18 PM   #7 
     - Thanks for the news report, Jenmito.  Beacool   Oct-29-09 07:19 PM   #8 
        - My pleasure.  jenmito   Oct-29-09 07:21 PM   #9 
        - Uhm, are there attacks on Hillary around here?  sandnsea   Oct-29-09 07:47 PM   #18 
        - It starts with a capital P.  JTFrog   Oct-30-09 03:03 AM   #50 
        - Should I trust that news outlet?  joeycola   Oct-30-09 09:48 AM   #58 
           - Naaah, it's too partisan.  Beacool   Oct-30-09 11:48 PM   #71 
              - Right. Providing a link to your post is "too partisan"...  jenmito   Oct-31-09 11:10 AM   #90 
  - o god...  uponit7771   Oct-29-09 07:16 PM   #5 
  - I've been unimpressed with OFA  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 07:21 PM   #10 
  - Did you read the article?  Beacool   Oct-29-09 07:30 PM   #12 
  - They told the only functioning group here  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 07:34 PM   #13 
     - Really?  Beacool   Oct-29-09 07:39 PM   #14 
     - They still go to the group for projects  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 07:43 PM   #17 
        - That makes sense  hileeopnyn8d   Oct-29-09 08:00 PM   #23 
           - I really don't even open them anymore  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 08:03 PM   #25 
              - "the organized democratic party."  geek tragedy   Oct-30-09 12:02 PM   #64 
     - Locally a group splintered off from OFA to work on local and other issues  csziggy   Oct-31-09 12:37 PM   #97 
  - Had to be tame. We didn't have the budget for torches and pitchforks.  NYCGirl   Oct-30-09 08:44 AM   #54 
     - B.S.  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 06:16 PM   #66 
     - It is an unimpressive organization  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 06:22 PM   #68 
  - Many are taking thier cue from Obama  DrToast   Oct-29-09 07:25 PM   #11 
  - That's what I've been hearing. nt  polichick   Oct-29-09 07:53 PM   #22 
  - And Obama didn't want any of that radical single payer.  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 06:17 PM   #67 
  - Would you like to see Obama fail? That's what I get from your posts.  jenmito   Oct-29-09 07:49 PM   #19 
  - Nothing could be sweeter.....especially if it happens right around 2012!  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:02 PM   #24 
  - You girls are being a tad melodramatic.  Beacool   Oct-29-09 08:09 PM   #27 
  - There was a pre-emptive attack on Dennis K.  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 08:11 PM   #29 
  - I guess so.............  Beacool   Oct-29-09 08:12 PM   #31 
  - You didn't answer the question: Would you like to see Obama fail? On second thought,  jenmito   Oct-29-09 08:13 PM   #32 
     - I swear you guys could have worked in the McCarthy hearings  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 08:17 PM   #33 
     - Oh hell,they could have taught McCarthy a thing or two.  Autumn   Oct-29-09 08:44 PM   #37 
        - The biggest pain in the ass for me in the General Election  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 08:47 PM   #38 
        - Thats the opposite from my experience  mkultra   Oct-30-09 09:04 AM   #55 
           - I'm guessing  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 09:11 AM   #56 
           - hard to say, but i can garuntee you this  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:50 AM   #80 
           - That's precious!!!  Beacool   Oct-31-09 12:29 PM   #94 
              - or the bigoted HRC supporters  mkultra   Oct-31-09 12:33 PM   #95 
        - You should tell Beacool to get over it. She has SAID that she's still not over it.  jenmito   Oct-29-09 08:52 PM   #41 
     - Jenmito, you are like a dog with a bone: you won't let go.  Beacool   Oct-29-09 08:18 PM   #34 
     - I asked if you want OBAMA to fail. You parrot the RW by saying Obama's  jenmito   Oct-29-09 08:36 PM   #35 
        - chuckle -look who is calling the kettle black....  joeycola   Oct-30-09 09:54 AM   #59 
     - The member thinks Obama will fail. Thats not the same as WISHING that he fail  bunnysoft   Oct-30-09 08:01 PM   #70 
        - No-"the member" says she doesn't have the same pride in our president as  jenmito   Oct-31-09 11:14 AM   #91 
  - Yeah...  jenmito   Oct-29-09 08:11 PM   #30 
  - Of course she wants to see Obama fail. She's still overflowing with bitterness.  Arugula Latte   Oct-31-09 12:08 PM   #92 
     - I agree. It's SO obvious in her posts...  jenmito   Oct-31-09 12:38 PM   #98 
  - Did you really think all those young folks were going to stay engaged?  Thrill   Oct-29-09 07:50 PM   #20 
  - I don't recall  hileeopnyn8d   Oct-29-09 07:52 PM   #21 
  - Interesting article,  Autumn   Oct-29-09 08:06 PM   #26 
  - Yes, fascinating opinion piece.........  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:44 PM   #36 
  - Well you know what they say,  Autumn   Oct-29-09 08:49 PM   #40 
     - ...and everyone else's stinks. ;)  Whisp   Oct-29-09 09:00 PM   #43 
     - I forgot  Autumn   Oct-29-09 09:11 PM   #46 
     - No, I don't think everyone is one....although everyone has one.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 09:01 PM   #44 
        - You don't know  Autumn   Oct-29-09 09:09 PM   #45 
           - You are the one stating that everyone either has an asshole or is an asshole.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 09:12 PM   #47 
  - "ideological loyalty" can be air as some are finging out.  joeycola   Oct-30-09 10:29 AM   #62 
  - I was called about health care reform and agreed to do data entry...  Indenturedebtor   Oct-29-09 08:56 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-09 09:24 PM   #48 
  - Passive aggressive pap from the OP, as always.  Forkboy   Oct-29-09 10:05 PM   #49 
  - The teabaggers, birthers and other assorted  Obamacare   Oct-30-09 04:26 AM   #52 
  - .  Guy Whitey Corngood   Oct-30-09 08:36 AM   #53 
  - Losery losers act like losers  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-30-09 10:06 AM   #60 
  - spot on. Grassroots is not the base  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:44 AM   #78 
  - More name-calling of DU members without any stubstance is your post.  joeycola   Oct-30-09 10:23 AM   #61 
     - And I'm shocked to see you and Beacool agreeing.  Forkboy   Oct-30-09 11:34 AM   #63 
     - name calling? he didnt call any names, he described the behavior  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:45 AM   #79 
  - Really? Al Giordano credits OFA with turning Congress around on the PO with 312,023 phone calls...  ClarkUSA   Oct-30-09 09:15 AM   #57 
  - yup, im part of OFA and i got the message and made the calls.  mkultra   Oct-31-09 08:43 AM   #77 
     - Good for you. Thanks!  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 09:07 AM   #81 
        - yes, they need to grab a mop.  mkultra   Oct-31-09 12:41 PM   #99 
  - It's still there  treestar   Oct-30-09 06:04 PM   #65 
  - The whole point of grass-roots organization is that "dominating the news" doesn't means shit anymore  bemildred   Oct-30-09 07:57 PM   #69 
  - But There Is A Real Case Of Un-Used Potential Here, My Friend  The Magistrate   Oct-31-09 12:10 AM   #72 
  - The answer is actually implied in your subject  stevenleser   Oct-31-09 03:38 AM   #73 
  - No it is just an unorganized mess  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 04:48 AM   #74 
     - OFA is very organized where I live...hundreds in my area are working @ Corzine's GOTV.  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 08:40 AM   #76 
        - I don't know if you've noticed  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 09:21 AM   #82 
           - You don't support HCR? Or the re-election of Democratic governors? Okay.  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 09:27 AM   #83 
           - Lost me on mandates  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 09:51 AM   #85 
              - Then you can hardly complain about OFA efforts to get HCR passed when you're not a part of it.  ClarkUSA   Oct-31-09 10:16 AM   #87 
                 - There are local elections  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 12:16 PM   #93 
           - im in a red state and it works here  mkultra   Oct-31-09 12:36 PM   #96 
  - What useful energy there is seems to be needed to pressure or oppose the WH's actions  freddie mertz   Oct-31-09 09:27 AM   #84 
  - My two-cents worth.  olegramps   Oct-31-09 10:21 AM   #88 
  - Well OFA calls me regularly to see how I am doing on calling Senators  grantcart   Oct-31-09 11:05 AM   #89 

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