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Thu Oct-29-09 05:04 PM
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| 94. He's not much better than Lieberhole. |
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Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 05:05 PM by Phx_Dem
Same shit for a different reason. If they don't get exactly what they want, blow the whole thing up so no one gets anything. Instead of working together to get the best we can based on the fact that we are a widely-represented party consisting of conversatives, moderates, liberals, progressives, they insist on their way or the highway The two groups on either end of that list are the spoilers and pains in our party's ass who, for some reason, always insist on calling the shots for the rest of us as if they speak for all of us. They don't.
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| -Right on cue, here's Kucinich |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:27 PM |
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I could see yesterday that he was just waiting for today.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-29-09 01:28 PM |
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The "cue" is the major disappointment we were all expecting from Obama and Congress. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:29 PM |
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Link re Obama? NT |
Eric J in MN |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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He is the leader of the party. Did you not know that? |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 06:22 PM |
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Here's your link. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 07:54 PM |
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That isn't proof. |
hileeopnyn8d |
Oct-29-09 08:46 PM |
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Is he threatening to start a third party? |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:31 PM |
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well if you eliminate the middleperson |
hfojvt |
Oct-29-09 01:33 PM |
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E-mail him. You also have a choice in the Green Party. What's stopping you? n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:33 PM |
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Democrats remind me of abused spouses |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:40 PM |
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It makes it even harder to leave when the louse is paying all the bills. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:51 PM |
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True that! |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:55 PM |
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well until he started talking about 3rd parties |
hfojvt |
Oct-29-09 01:31 PM |
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I say replace talk of 3rd parties with Campaign Finance Reform, and he's spot on. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:34 PM |
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He should have been fighting to preserve a strong public option instead of posting infrequent |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:35 PM |
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absolutely! I'm tired of DK frankly. nt |
Windy |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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Putting in the single payer amendment and raising the negotiating bar wasn't enough for you? |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:38 PM |
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Is it really doing anything if your actions are completely ignored? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Oct-29-09 01:48 PM |
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But all those eloquent speeches he made from the well, and all |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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Yeah, he didn't twist Progressive's arms like Obama and Rahm--those guys got things done. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:09 PM |
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That's right, you got nuthin'. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:18 PM |
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Yeah, but who were Obama and Rahm working well with? Blue Dogs or Progressives? |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:32 PM |
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But DK's supporters have already made up their minds that they hate it. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:44 PM |
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Mandates w/o an accesible public option is not "half a loaf." It's like being clubbed with a loaf |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:49 PM |
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Then you'd rather nothing was done? Even stale bread is edible. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:56 PM |
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Depends on how stale the bread is. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:57 PM |
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Medicare....fairly feeble??? |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 04:35 PM |
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But that loaf has to stretch a ways |
quakerboy |
Oct-29-09 04:44 PM |
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Maybe if you'd read his past proposals for single payer you might concede he has a point |
Armstead |
Oct-29-09 01:39 PM |
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"COMPROMISED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS" |
AndyA |
Oct-29-09 01:53 PM |
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The WH compromised from the beginning and put us in a weak bargaining |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:13 PM |
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Some day, I hope Kucinich actually accomplishes something |
HamdenRice |
Oct-29-09 01:56 PM |
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Well let's figure out the size of his party - It might be smaller than the Green party |
karynnj |
Oct-29-09 01:59 PM |
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Of course it will be and they'll never agree to shit. |
vaberella |
Oct-29-09 02:08 PM |
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But, as they disagree, they can splinter into even smaller groups |
karynnj |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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He was out polled by Stephen Colbert |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-29-09 04:54 PM |
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He's the Sarah Palin of the Dems. He could ruin our chance of remaining in the majority in '10. n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:01 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:08 PM |
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I love Dennis's idealism, but if he's doubting the two-party system, that tells ME that he |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:17 PM |
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I don't think he will |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:19 PM |
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His words make me think he WILL. And if he DOES, he will split our party |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:22 PM |
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I just don't see it that way |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:23 PM |
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What do YOU get out of this statement?: |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:25 PM |
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I get.. |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:27 PM |
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Well, I guess we'll see. n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:36 PM |
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The duopoly represent themselves, not the American People. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:04 PM |
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Do you think he wants to start a third party? n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 08:38 PM |
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I think he wants to tell an uncomfortable truth. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 09:02 PM |
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Perhaps if the Dems paid more attention to progressives it wouldn't be an issue |
Armstead |
Oct-29-09 05:47 PM |
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What's so sacred about the two-party system? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-30-09 01:52 AM |
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Name removed |
Oct-29-09 02:11 PM |
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It's not that. It's his questioning of the two-party system. But if it makes you feel better to |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:20 PM |
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Oh no |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 02:23 PM |
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I generally agree with Kucinich on principle, but not when it gets down to political reality |
zulchzulu |
Oct-29-09 04:21 PM |
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Utter nonsense, and I'm surprised you even buy that yourself. |
Forkboy |
Oct-29-09 10:08 PM |
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Kucnich is not a threat to keeping the majority; |
dflprincess |
Oct-29-09 10:28 PM |
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Prosense let him. Some on DU were suggesting it I kept thinking let them--just like teabaggers. |
vaberella |
Oct-29-09 02:05 PM |
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I've been talking about the orchestrated, DLC talking points against Kucinich since July. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:11 PM |
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Eh, just because someone does not agree with your does not mean they work for whatever |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 02:21 PM |
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Yeah, but when a bunch of people use the same nasty terms, and it's similarly over the top |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:37 PM |
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Well, some here don't like him. Some here don't like Obama. |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 02:45 PM |
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Obama is president. Give me one good reason why people would start to HATE Kuch in July. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:54 PM |
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I never slammed Kucinich. I said I like him. |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 03:39 PM |
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Right on cue and spot on (Kucinich) |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:12 PM |
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I don't get the Dennis bashing |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:16 PM |
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Pointing out the obvious. His last public statement about reform was that a public option is doomed. |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:19 PM |
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Disagreed and you misinterpreted him |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:20 PM |
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No, I didn't. He did declare the public option doomed and now, |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:27 PM |
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He was talking about the public option.. |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:29 PM |
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And with that, I'm just going to agree to disagree |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:34 PM |
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a robust public option is indeed dead. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:38 PM |
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Why bash Dennis when it is the Blue Dogs who got us into this? |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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Right, the blue dogs got us into this so how |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 03:37 PM |
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Democratic LEADERSHIP has also failed. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 04:16 PM |
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Kucinich isn't a leader? |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 04:49 PM |
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You know what I meant. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-30-09 09:46 AM |
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well, even a broken clock is right twice a day |
paulk |
Oct-29-09 02:18 PM |
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knu |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 02:36 PM |
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yawn (nt) |
question everything |
Oct-29-09 02:39 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich is right this bill is a piece of shit. |
ej510 |
Oct-29-09 02:43 PM |
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No, he's wrong. Medicare rates aside, the |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:50 PM |
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I especially like the part where most of us will be forced to continue to send money |
dflprincess |
Oct-29-09 10:34 PM |
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No, it isn't. And Medicare rates aren't the panacea many people think. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 03:37 PM |
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Dennis and the Demo-rats |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-29-09 02:57 PM |
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A lot of us have known this about DK for a long time. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:27 PM |
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Well DU has officially jumped the shark. n/t |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:33 PM |
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I've talked shit about DK here for a long time. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:39 PM |
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I've talked shit about you talking shit about DK since July---when it came out of nowhere. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:41 PM |
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I've been doing it for a lot longer than July. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:58 PM |
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It isn't surprising you can't relate to him |
spoony |
Oct-29-09 04:23 PM |
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LOL! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 04:35 PM |
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i had to double check to ensure that i didn't post this.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 04:58 PM |
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+1 |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 05:01 PM |
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+2 nt |
GrilledCheeses |
Oct-29-09 05:33 PM |
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lol! |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:05 PM |
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I still think one day we will get a single payer but we have to start somewhere |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-29-09 03:44 PM |
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Dennis is of course, correct |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-29-09 03:54 PM |
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Its sad to see the abuse hurled at one of the few people standing up for all the people.... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-29-09 04:10 PM |
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The OP mocks a good Rep and cause. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 04:15 PM |
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The OP is a shameful effort to blame one of the good guys |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 04:18 PM |
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SSDD |
pecwae |
Oct-29-09 05:03 PM |
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Well, see. You can be for the corporations. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-29-09 10:56 PM |
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Kooch is our Hoffman |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-09 04:13 PM |
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A "left" Third Party would guarantee the Republicans winning every time |
zulchzulu |
Oct-29-09 04:19 PM |
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I love how absolutely shit-your-pants scared some of you are of DK |
spoony |
Oct-29-09 04:20 PM |
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word up.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 05:46 PM |
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Yep. There goes Dennis, right on cue.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 04:40 PM |
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yeah |
dana_b |
Oct-29-09 06:16 PM |
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DK is the best Dem out there! |
harun |
Oct-29-09 04:49 PM |
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I can see why suckups for the insurance companies might not like Kucinich |
brentspeak |
Oct-29-09 05:01 PM |
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He's not much better than Lieberhole. |
Phx_Dem |
Oct-29-09 05:04 PM |
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I'm sorry |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 05:06 PM |
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right. it's the milquetoast pud-whacking centrists that speak for us all |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 05:39 PM |
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the question is |
dana_b |
Oct-29-09 06:19 PM |
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i have my criteria.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 06:49 PM |
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He's the polar opposite of that fucking douchebag |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-29-09 07:22 PM |
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Yes! We need two compromised conservative parties. Awesome! |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
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So he HAD the votes to pass single payer and someone stopped him? |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-29-09 06:12 PM |
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Since the WH and Dems never tried we will never know. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 06:29 PM |
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well then you have to congratulate the President and leadership.... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-29-09 06:40 PM |
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The WH shut out the SP advocates from the start and many in |
joeycola |
Oct-30-09 07:12 AM |
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Thanks for the Post |
timzi |
Oct-29-09 07:16 PM |
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And watch him vote for it... |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Oct-29-09 07:42 PM |
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Yep. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 07:48 PM |
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A third party isn't nationally viable. The two big parties are too wealthy. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:03 PM |
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I agree with the Congressman |
Auggie |
Oct-29-09 09:02 PM |
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What insurance company does ProSense work for again?? |
kath |
Oct-29-09 10:12 PM |
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The same one |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 10:18 PM |
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"Insurance company"? Really? |
Cha |
Oct-29-09 10:37 PM |
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Upset, Prosense? |
Forkboy |
Oct-29-09 10:34 PM |
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Howard Dean thinks it's a "Good Start" and |
Cha |
Oct-29-09 10:36 PM |
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Disagreeing with a bill our party created=threatening to start a third party |
bunnysoft |
Oct-29-09 10:54 PM |
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Have to agree with Dennis. |
Vidar |
Oct-30-09 04:28 AM |
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The truth irritates you? |
undeterred |
Oct-30-09 08:18 AM |
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