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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
27. The WH compromised from the beginning and put us in a weak bargaining
position by not allowing single payer advocates a place at the table.
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  -Right on cue, here's Kucinich ProSense  Oct-29-09 01:27 PM   #0 
  - I could see yesterday that he was just waiting for today..  butterfly77   Oct-29-09 01:28 PM   #1 
  - The "cue" is the major disappointment we were all expecting from Obama and Congress.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:29 PM   #2 
  - Link re Obama? NT  Eric J in MN   Oct-29-09 01:37 PM   #9 
     - He is the leader of the party. Did you not know that?  tekisui   Oct-29-09 06:22 PM   #103 
     - Here's your link.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 07:54 PM   #111 
        - That isn't proof.  hileeopnyn8d   Oct-29-09 08:46 PM   #117 
  - Is he threatening to start a third party?  DJ13   Oct-29-09 01:31 PM   #3 
  - well if you eliminate the middleperson  hfojvt   Oct-29-09 01:33 PM   #5 
  - E-mail him. You also have a choice in the Green Party. What's stopping you? n/t  ProSense   Oct-29-09 01:33 PM   #6 
     - Democrats remind me of abused spouses  DJ13   Oct-29-09 01:40 PM   #13 
        - It makes it even harder to leave when the louse is paying all the bills.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:51 PM   #15 
           - True that!  DJ13   Oct-29-09 01:55 PM   #17 
  - well until he started talking about 3rd parties  hfojvt   Oct-29-09 01:31 PM   #4 
  - I say replace talk of 3rd parties with Campaign Finance Reform, and he's spot on.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:34 PM   #7 
  - He should have been fighting to preserve a strong public option instead of posting infrequent  ProSense   Oct-29-09 01:35 PM   #8 
     - absolutely! I'm tired of DK frankly. nt  Windy   Oct-29-09 01:37 PM   #10 
     - Putting in the single payer amendment and raising the negotiating bar wasn't enough for you?  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:38 PM   #11 
     - Is it really doing anything if your actions are completely ignored?  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Oct-29-09 01:48 PM   #14 
     - But all those eloquent speeches he made from the well, and all  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-09 02:59 PM   #54 
        - Yeah, he didn't twist Progressive's arms like Obama and Rahm--those guys got things done.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:09 PM   #57 
           - That's right, you got nuthin'.  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-09 03:18 PM   #58 
              - Yeah, but who were Obama and Rahm working well with? Blue Dogs or Progressives?  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:32 PM   #60 
                 - But DK's supporters have already made up their minds that they hate it.  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-09 03:44 PM   #68 
                    - Mandates w/o an accesible public option is not "half a loaf." It's like being clubbed with a loaf  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:49 PM   #69 
                       - Then you'd rather nothing was done? Even stale bread is edible.  Ikonoklast   Oct-29-09 03:56 PM   #71 
                          - Depends on how stale the bread is.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:57 PM   #72 
                          - Medicare....fairly feeble???  bvar22   Oct-29-09 04:35 PM   #84 
                          - But that loaf has to stretch a ways  quakerboy   Oct-29-09 04:44 PM   #86 
  - Maybe if you'd read his past proposals for single payer you might concede he has a point  Armstead   Oct-29-09 01:39 PM   #12 
  - "COMPROMISED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS"  AndyA   Oct-29-09 01:53 PM   #16 
  - The WH compromised from the beginning and put us in a weak bargaining  joeycola   Oct-29-09 02:13 PM   #27 
  - Some day, I hope Kucinich actually accomplishes something  HamdenRice   Oct-29-09 01:56 PM   #18 
  - Well let's figure out the size of his party - It might be smaller than the Green party  karynnj   Oct-29-09 01:59 PM   #19 
  - Of course it will be and they'll never agree to shit.  vaberella   Oct-29-09 02:08 PM   #22 
  - But, as they disagree, they can splinter into even smaller groups  karynnj   Oct-29-09 02:59 PM   #56 
  - He was out polled by Stephen Colbert  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-29-09 04:54 PM   #89 
  - He's the Sarah Palin of the Dems. He could ruin our chance of remaining in the majority in '10. n/t  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:01 PM   #20 
  - I couldn't disagree more  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:08 PM   #23 
  - I love Dennis's idealism, but if he's doubting the two-party system, that tells ME that he  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:17 PM   #29 
     - I don't think he will  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:19 PM   #31 
     - His words make me think he WILL. And if he DOES, he will split our party  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:22 PM   #36 
        - I just don't see it that way  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:23 PM   #37 
        - What do YOU get out of this statement?:  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:25 PM   #39 
           - I get..  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:27 PM   #40 
           - Well, I guess we'll see. n/t  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:36 PM   #45 
           - The duopoly represent themselves, not the American People.  tekisui   Oct-29-09 08:04 PM   #113 
              - Do you think he wants to start a third party? n/t  jenmito   Oct-29-09 08:38 PM   #116 
                 - I think he wants to tell an uncomfortable truth.  tekisui   Oct-29-09 09:02 PM   #119 
        - Perhaps if the Dems paid more attention to progressives it wouldn't be an issue  Armstead   Oct-29-09 05:47 PM   #99 
     - What's so sacred about the two-party system?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-30-09 01:52 AM   #130 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-09 02:11 PM   #24 
  - It's not that. It's his questioning of the two-party system. But if it makes you feel better to  jenmito   Oct-29-09 02:20 PM   #33 
     - Oh no  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 02:23 PM   #38 
  - I generally agree with Kucinich on principle, but not when it gets down to political reality  zulchzulu   Oct-29-09 04:21 PM   #81 
  - Utter nonsense, and I'm surprised you even buy that yourself.  Forkboy   Oct-29-09 10:08 PM   #120 
  - Kucnich is not a threat to keeping the majority;  dflprincess   Oct-29-09 10:28 PM   #123 
  - Prosense let him. Some on DU were suggesting it I kept thinking let them--just like teabaggers.  vaberella   Oct-29-09 02:05 PM   #21 
  - I've been talking about the orchestrated, DLC talking points against Kucinich since July.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 02:11 PM   #25 
  - Eh, just because someone does not agree with your does not mean they work for whatever  Jennicut   Oct-29-09 02:21 PM   #35 
     - Yeah, but when a bunch of people use the same nasty terms, and it's similarly over the top  rudy23   Oct-29-09 02:37 PM   #46 
        - Well, some here don't like him. Some here don't like Obama.  Jennicut   Oct-29-09 02:45 PM   #50 
           - Obama is president. Give me one good reason why people would start to HATE Kuch in July.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 02:54 PM   #52 
              - I never slammed Kucinich. I said I like him.  Jennicut   Oct-29-09 03:39 PM   #65 
  - Right on cue and spot on (Kucinich)  joeycola   Oct-29-09 02:12 PM   #26 
  - I don't get the Dennis bashing  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:16 PM   #28 
     - Pointing out the obvious. His last public statement about reform was that a public option is doomed.  ProSense   Oct-29-09 02:19 PM   #32 
        - Disagreed and you misinterpreted him  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:20 PM   #34 
        - No, I didn't. He did declare the public option doomed and now,  ProSense   Oct-29-09 02:27 PM   #41 
           - He was talking about the public option..  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:29 PM   #42 
              - And with that, I'm just going to agree to disagree  mvd   Oct-29-09 02:34 PM   #43 
        - a robust public option is indeed dead.  joeycola   Oct-29-09 02:38 PM   #47 
        - Why bash Dennis when it is the Blue Dogs who got us into this?  freddie mertz   Oct-29-09 02:59 PM   #55 
           - Right, the blue dogs got us into this so how  ProSense   Oct-29-09 03:37 PM   #63 
              - Democratic LEADERSHIP has also failed.  freddie mertz   Oct-29-09 04:16 PM   #77 
                 - Kucinich isn't a leader?  ProSense   Oct-29-09 04:49 PM   #88 
                    - You know what I meant.  freddie mertz   Oct-30-09 09:46 AM   #134 
  - well, even a broken clock is right twice a day  paulk   Oct-29-09 02:18 PM   #30 
  - knu  frylock   Oct-29-09 02:36 PM   #44 
  - yawn (nt)  question everything   Oct-29-09 02:39 PM   #48 
  - Dennis Kucinich is right this bill is a piece of shit.  ej510   Oct-29-09 02:43 PM   #49 
  - No, he's wrong. Medicare rates aside, the  ProSense   Oct-29-09 02:50 PM   #51 
  - I especially like the part where most of us will be forced to continue to send money  dflprincess   Oct-29-09 10:34 PM   #125 
  - No, it isn't. And Medicare rates aren't the panacea many people think.  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 03:37 PM   #62 
  - Dennis and the Demo-rats  Scruffy1   Oct-29-09 02:57 PM   #53 
  - A lot of us have known this about DK for a long time.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 03:27 PM   #59 
  - Well DU has officially jumped the shark. n/t  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:33 PM   #61 
  - I've talked shit about DK here for a long time.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 03:39 PM   #64 
     - I've talked shit about you talking shit about DK since July---when it came out of nowhere.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 03:41 PM   #66 
        - I've been doing it for a lot longer than July.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 03:58 PM   #73 
  - It isn't surprising you can't relate to him  spoony   Oct-29-09 04:23 PM   #82 
     - LOL!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 04:35 PM   #83 
     - i had to double check to ensure that i didn't post this..  frylock   Oct-29-09 04:58 PM   #90 
     - +1  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 05:01 PM   #92 
     - +2 nt  GrilledCheeses   Oct-29-09 05:33 PM   #96 
     - lol!  tekisui   Oct-29-09 08:05 PM   #114 
  - I still think one day we will get a single payer but we have to start somewhere  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-29-09 03:44 PM   #67 
  - Dennis is of course, correct  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-09 03:54 PM   #70 
  - Its sad to see the abuse hurled at one of the few people standing up for all the people....  winyanstaz   Oct-29-09 04:10 PM   #74 
  - The OP mocks a good Rep and cause.  joeycola   Oct-29-09 04:15 PM   #76 
  - The OP is a shameful effort to blame one of the good guys  freddie mertz   Oct-29-09 04:18 PM   #78 
  - SSDD  pecwae   Oct-29-09 05:03 PM   #93 
  - Well, see. You can be for the corporations.  Jakes Progress   Oct-29-09 10:56 PM   #129 
  - Kooch is our Hoffman  jefferson_dem   Oct-29-09 04:13 PM   #75 
  - A "left" Third Party would guarantee the Republicans winning every time  zulchzulu   Oct-29-09 04:19 PM   #79 
  - I love how absolutely shit-your-pants scared some of you are of DK  spoony   Oct-29-09 04:20 PM   #80 
  - word up..  frylock   Oct-29-09 05:46 PM   #98 
  - Yep. There goes Dennis, right on cue....  bvar22   Oct-29-09 04:40 PM   #85 
  - yeah  dana_b   Oct-29-09 06:16 PM   #101 
  - DK is the best Dem out there!  harun   Oct-29-09 04:49 PM   #87 
  - I can see why suckups for the insurance companies might not like Kucinich  brentspeak   Oct-29-09 05:01 PM   #91 
  - He's not much better than Lieberhole.  Phx_Dem   Oct-29-09 05:04 PM   #94 
  - I'm sorry  AllentownJake   Oct-29-09 05:06 PM   #95 
  - right. it's the milquetoast pud-whacking centrists that speak for us all  frylock   Oct-29-09 05:39 PM   #97 
  - the question is  dana_b   Oct-29-09 06:19 PM   #102 
     - i have my criteria..  frylock   Oct-29-09 06:49 PM   #106 
  - He's the polar opposite of that fucking douchebag  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-29-09 07:22 PM   #108 
  - Yes! We need two compromised conservative parties. Awesome!  tekisui   Oct-29-09 08:06 PM   #115 
  - So he HAD the votes to pass single payer and someone stopped him?  Clio the Leo   Oct-29-09 06:12 PM   #100 
  - Since the WH and Dems never tried we will never know.  joeycola   Oct-29-09 06:29 PM   #104 
     - well then you have to congratulate the President and leadership....  Clio the Leo   Oct-29-09 06:40 PM   #105 
        - The WH shut out the SP advocates from the start and many in  joeycola   Oct-30-09 07:12 AM   #132 
  - Thanks for the Post  timzi   Oct-29-09 07:16 PM   #107 
  - And watch him vote for it...  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Oct-29-09 07:42 PM   #109 
  - Yep.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 07:48 PM   #110 
  - A third party isn't nationally viable. The two big parties are too wealthy.  tekisui   Oct-29-09 08:03 PM   #112 
  - I agree with the Congressman  Auggie   Oct-29-09 09:02 PM   #118 
  - What insurance company does ProSense work for again??  kath   Oct-29-09 10:12 PM   #121 
  - The same one  ProSense   Oct-29-09 10:18 PM   #122 
  - "Insurance company"? Really?  Cha   Oct-29-09 10:37 PM   #127 
  - Upset, Prosense?  Forkboy   Oct-29-09 10:34 PM   #124 
  - Howard Dean thinks it's a "Good Start" and  Cha   Oct-29-09 10:36 PM   #126 
  - Disagreeing with a bill our party created=threatening to start a third party  bunnysoft   Oct-29-09 10:54 PM   #128 
  - Have to agree with Dennis.  Vidar   Oct-30-09 04:28 AM   #131 
  - The truth irritates you?  undeterred   Oct-30-09 08:18 AM   #133 

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