joeycola
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Thu Oct-29-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #16 |
| 27. The WH compromised from the beginning and put us in a weak bargaining |
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position by not allowing single payer advocates a place at the table.
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| -Right on cue, here's Kucinich |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:27 PM |
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I could see yesterday that he was just waiting for today.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-29-09 01:28 PM |
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The "cue" is the major disappointment we were all expecting from Obama and Congress. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:29 PM |
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Link re Obama? NT |
Eric J in MN |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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He is the leader of the party. Did you not know that? |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 06:22 PM |
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Here's your link. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 07:54 PM |
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That isn't proof. |
hileeopnyn8d |
Oct-29-09 08:46 PM |
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Is he threatening to start a third party? |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:31 PM |
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well if you eliminate the middleperson |
hfojvt |
Oct-29-09 01:33 PM |
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E-mail him. You also have a choice in the Green Party. What's stopping you? n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:33 PM |
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Democrats remind me of abused spouses |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:40 PM |
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It makes it even harder to leave when the louse is paying all the bills. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:51 PM |
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True that! |
DJ13 |
Oct-29-09 01:55 PM |
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well until he started talking about 3rd parties |
hfojvt |
Oct-29-09 01:31 PM |
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I say replace talk of 3rd parties with Campaign Finance Reform, and he's spot on. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:34 PM |
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He should have been fighting to preserve a strong public option instead of posting infrequent |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 01:35 PM |
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absolutely! I'm tired of DK frankly. nt |
Windy |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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Putting in the single payer amendment and raising the negotiating bar wasn't enough for you? |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 01:38 PM |
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Is it really doing anything if your actions are completely ignored? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Oct-29-09 01:48 PM |
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But all those eloquent speeches he made from the well, and all |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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Yeah, he didn't twist Progressive's arms like Obama and Rahm--those guys got things done. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:09 PM |
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That's right, you got nuthin'. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:18 PM |
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Yeah, but who were Obama and Rahm working well with? Blue Dogs or Progressives? |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:32 PM |
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But DK's supporters have already made up their minds that they hate it. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:44 PM |
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Mandates w/o an accesible public option is not "half a loaf." It's like being clubbed with a loaf |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:49 PM |
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Then you'd rather nothing was done? Even stale bread is edible. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-29-09 03:56 PM |
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Depends on how stale the bread is. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:57 PM |
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Medicare....fairly feeble??? |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 04:35 PM |
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But that loaf has to stretch a ways |
quakerboy |
Oct-29-09 04:44 PM |
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Maybe if you'd read his past proposals for single payer you might concede he has a point |
Armstead |
Oct-29-09 01:39 PM |
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"COMPROMISED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS" |
AndyA |
Oct-29-09 01:53 PM |
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The WH compromised from the beginning and put us in a weak bargaining |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:13 PM |
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Some day, I hope Kucinich actually accomplishes something |
HamdenRice |
Oct-29-09 01:56 PM |
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Well let's figure out the size of his party - It might be smaller than the Green party |
karynnj |
Oct-29-09 01:59 PM |
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Of course it will be and they'll never agree to shit. |
vaberella |
Oct-29-09 02:08 PM |
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But, as they disagree, they can splinter into even smaller groups |
karynnj |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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He was out polled by Stephen Colbert |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-29-09 04:54 PM |
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He's the Sarah Palin of the Dems. He could ruin our chance of remaining in the majority in '10. n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:01 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:08 PM |
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I love Dennis's idealism, but if he's doubting the two-party system, that tells ME that he |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:17 PM |
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I don't think he will |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:19 PM |
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His words make me think he WILL. And if he DOES, he will split our party |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:22 PM |
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I just don't see it that way |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:23 PM |
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What do YOU get out of this statement?: |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:25 PM |
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I get.. |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:27 PM |
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Well, I guess we'll see. n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:36 PM |
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The duopoly represent themselves, not the American People. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:04 PM |
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Do you think he wants to start a third party? n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 08:38 PM |
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I think he wants to tell an uncomfortable truth. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 09:02 PM |
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Perhaps if the Dems paid more attention to progressives it wouldn't be an issue |
Armstead |
Oct-29-09 05:47 PM |
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What's so sacred about the two-party system? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-30-09 01:52 AM |
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Name removed |
Oct-29-09 02:11 PM |
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It's not that. It's his questioning of the two-party system. But if it makes you feel better to |
jenmito |
Oct-29-09 02:20 PM |
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Oh no |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 02:23 PM |
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I generally agree with Kucinich on principle, but not when it gets down to political reality |
zulchzulu |
Oct-29-09 04:21 PM |
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Utter nonsense, and I'm surprised you even buy that yourself. |
Forkboy |
Oct-29-09 10:08 PM |
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Kucnich is not a threat to keeping the majority; |
dflprincess |
Oct-29-09 10:28 PM |
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Prosense let him. Some on DU were suggesting it I kept thinking let them--just like teabaggers. |
vaberella |
Oct-29-09 02:05 PM |
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I've been talking about the orchestrated, DLC talking points against Kucinich since July. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:11 PM |
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Eh, just because someone does not agree with your does not mean they work for whatever |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 02:21 PM |
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Yeah, but when a bunch of people use the same nasty terms, and it's similarly over the top |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:37 PM |
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Well, some here don't like him. Some here don't like Obama. |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 02:45 PM |
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Obama is president. Give me one good reason why people would start to HATE Kuch in July. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 02:54 PM |
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I never slammed Kucinich. I said I like him. |
Jennicut |
Oct-29-09 03:39 PM |
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Right on cue and spot on (Kucinich) |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:12 PM |
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I don't get the Dennis bashing |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:16 PM |
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Pointing out the obvious. His last public statement about reform was that a public option is doomed. |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:19 PM |
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Disagreed and you misinterpreted him |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:20 PM |
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No, I didn't. He did declare the public option doomed and now, |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:27 PM |
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He was talking about the public option.. |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:29 PM |
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And with that, I'm just going to agree to disagree |
mvd |
Oct-29-09 02:34 PM |
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a robust public option is indeed dead. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 02:38 PM |
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Why bash Dennis when it is the Blue Dogs who got us into this? |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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Right, the blue dogs got us into this so how |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 03:37 PM |
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Democratic LEADERSHIP has also failed. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 04:16 PM |
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Kucinich isn't a leader? |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 04:49 PM |
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You know what I meant. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-30-09 09:46 AM |
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well, even a broken clock is right twice a day |
paulk |
Oct-29-09 02:18 PM |
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knu |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 02:36 PM |
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yawn (nt) |
question everything |
Oct-29-09 02:39 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich is right this bill is a piece of shit. |
ej510 |
Oct-29-09 02:43 PM |
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No, he's wrong. Medicare rates aside, the |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 02:50 PM |
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I especially like the part where most of us will be forced to continue to send money |
dflprincess |
Oct-29-09 10:34 PM |
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No, it isn't. And Medicare rates aren't the panacea many people think. |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 03:37 PM |
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Dennis and the Demo-rats |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-29-09 02:57 PM |
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A lot of us have known this about DK for a long time. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:27 PM |
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Well DU has officially jumped the shark. n/t |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:33 PM |
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I've talked shit about DK here for a long time. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:39 PM |
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I've talked shit about you talking shit about DK since July---when it came out of nowhere. |
rudy23 |
Oct-29-09 03:41 PM |
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I've been doing it for a lot longer than July. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 03:58 PM |
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It isn't surprising you can't relate to him |
spoony |
Oct-29-09 04:23 PM |
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LOL! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 04:35 PM |
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i had to double check to ensure that i didn't post this.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 04:58 PM |
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+1 |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 05:01 PM |
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+2 nt |
GrilledCheeses |
Oct-29-09 05:33 PM |
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lol! |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:05 PM |
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I still think one day we will get a single payer but we have to start somewhere |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-29-09 03:44 PM |
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Dennis is of course, correct |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-29-09 03:54 PM |
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Its sad to see the abuse hurled at one of the few people standing up for all the people.... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-29-09 04:10 PM |
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The OP mocks a good Rep and cause. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 04:15 PM |
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The OP is a shameful effort to blame one of the good guys |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 04:18 PM |
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SSDD |
pecwae |
Oct-29-09 05:03 PM |
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Well, see. You can be for the corporations. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-29-09 10:56 PM |
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Kooch is our Hoffman |
jefferson_dem |
Oct-29-09 04:13 PM |
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A "left" Third Party would guarantee the Republicans winning every time |
zulchzulu |
Oct-29-09 04:19 PM |
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I love how absolutely shit-your-pants scared some of you are of DK |
spoony |
Oct-29-09 04:20 PM |
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word up.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 05:46 PM |
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Yep. There goes Dennis, right on cue.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 04:40 PM |
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yeah |
dana_b |
Oct-29-09 06:16 PM |
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DK is the best Dem out there! |
harun |
Oct-29-09 04:49 PM |
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I can see why suckups for the insurance companies might not like Kucinich |
brentspeak |
Oct-29-09 05:01 PM |
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He's not much better than Lieberhole. |
Phx_Dem |
Oct-29-09 05:04 PM |
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I'm sorry |
AllentownJake |
Oct-29-09 05:06 PM |
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right. it's the milquetoast pud-whacking centrists that speak for us all |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 05:39 PM |
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the question is |
dana_b |
Oct-29-09 06:19 PM |
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i have my criteria.. |
frylock |
Oct-29-09 06:49 PM |
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He's the polar opposite of that fucking douchebag |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-29-09 07:22 PM |
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Yes! We need two compromised conservative parties. Awesome! |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
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So he HAD the votes to pass single payer and someone stopped him? |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-29-09 06:12 PM |
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Since the WH and Dems never tried we will never know. |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 06:29 PM |
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well then you have to congratulate the President and leadership.... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-29-09 06:40 PM |
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The WH shut out the SP advocates from the start and many in |
joeycola |
Oct-30-09 07:12 AM |
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Thanks for the Post |
timzi |
Oct-29-09 07:16 PM |
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And watch him vote for it... |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Oct-29-09 07:42 PM |
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Yep. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 07:48 PM |
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A third party isn't nationally viable. The two big parties are too wealthy. |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:03 PM |
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I agree with the Congressman |
Auggie |
Oct-29-09 09:02 PM |
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What insurance company does ProSense work for again?? |
kath |
Oct-29-09 10:12 PM |
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The same one |
ProSense |
Oct-29-09 10:18 PM |
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"Insurance company"? Really? |
Cha |
Oct-29-09 10:37 PM |
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Upset, Prosense? |
Forkboy |
Oct-29-09 10:34 PM |
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Howard Dean thinks it's a "Good Start" and |
Cha |
Oct-29-09 10:36 PM |
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Disagreeing with a bill our party created=threatening to start a third party |
bunnysoft |
Oct-29-09 10:54 PM |
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Have to agree with Dennis. |
Vidar |
Oct-30-09 04:28 AM |
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The truth irritates you? |
undeterred |
Oct-30-09 08:18 AM |
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