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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:05 PM
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28. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this point. They didn't even put
single payer on the table. From the beginning the liberals/progressives were shut out of the debate. The public option IS the compromise. And still, it looks like the liberals in the House are compromising the compromise. While I understand why they are doing so, even being asked to compromise further, after they have already given the Blue Dogs and Republicans concession after concession, is ridiculous to me.

We need to take money out of the political process. As long as there is no meaningful, comprehensive campaign finance reform, the liberals/progressives will always have to settle and compromise.

I'm sick and tired of it, too. Why is it that neither the Blue Dogs nor the DLCers are ever asked to compromise? It's always the loyal base. They take for granted that we'll always be there...and we'll always be ready to compromise.

That's why I left the Democratic Party years ago. Looks like I'm headed back out of the door again if things don't change.
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  -Big Ed: Obama sold out his base for this health care bill bigdarryl  Oct-29-09 01:00 PM   #0 
  - So if you agree it's a bad bill, what, exactly have we "gained" from all this?  villager   Oct-29-09 01:02 PM   #1 
  - We have gained nothing, yet, nor when passed will have gained  Riverman   Oct-29-09 01:09 PM   #4 
  - Exactly. The base, it would seem, has been thoroughly sold out by the party.  villager   Oct-29-09 01:12 PM   #7 
     - Big Ed is spot on.  chimpymustgo   Oct-29-09 01:21 PM   #14 
  - a lot of people are engaged who weren't before  27inCali   Oct-29-09 01:32 PM   #19 
  - Obama has only said 10,000 times he wants a Public Option  zulchzulu   Oct-29-09 01:06 PM   #2 
  - I've been hearing him try to redefine the public option every time he's come out in favor of it.  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:20 PM   #12 
     - The bigger question is which version of the public option has the votes to pass. nt  Cant trust em   Oct-29-09 01:26 PM   #15 
        - Which arms is Obama twisting to help it pass, the Progressives or the Blue Dogs?  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:27 PM   #16 
           - That's a simple question. The progressives and liberals in Congress  Better Believe It   Oct-29-09 01:41 PM   #20 
              - Obama has been giving progressives this the entire time.  ej510   Oct-29-09 02:17 PM   #31 
  - You have to realize that Big head ED is really a repuke. He just came to our side of the dial for  Vincardog   Oct-29-09 01:08 PM   #3 
  - I didn't know that he really was a rethug? WOW  bigdarryl   Oct-29-09 01:11 PM   #6 
     - He is his wife is the one who convinced him to start talking out of our side of his mouth  Vincardog   Oct-29-09 01:32 PM   #18 
  - I like Eddie, but he overreacts too much  Thrill   Oct-29-09 01:11 PM   #5 
  - Big Ed is spot on.  joeycola   Oct-29-09 01:12 PM   #8 
  - Thanks for the heads up. I think I'll skip his 6:00 show. I can't take his yelling sometimes.  lamp_shade   Oct-29-09 01:17 PM   #9 
  - To liberal for ya? You could always go over to Fox if you prefer them.  Better Believe It   Oct-29-09 01:43 PM   #21 
  - Oh it's YOU.  lamp_shade   Oct-29-09 02:19 PM   #34 
  - Can't handle the truth?  chimpymustgo   Oct-29-09 01:45 PM   #22 
     - Some days I just can't handle the yelling. That's all.  lamp_shade   Oct-29-09 02:20 PM   #35 
  - I am so damn tired of ed telling us that..  butterfly77   Oct-29-09 01:18 PM   #10 
  - AMEN!! WTF is Ed complaining about?!?!?!  uponit7771   Oct-29-09 02:18 PM   #33 
  - Who could have guessed that some liberals wouldn't be happy with anything short of single payer?  Cant trust em   Oct-29-09 01:19 PM   #11 
  - I think it's that it's short of a robust public option that's so upsetting, not single payer  rudy23   Oct-29-09 01:21 PM   #13 
     - Bingo -- The public option was already a huge compromise for many  Armstead   Oct-29-09 01:51 PM   #24 
        - I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this point. They didn't even put  Liberal_Stalwart71   Oct-29-09 02:05 PM   #28 
  - he's even going as far today saying we should wait next year  bigdarryl   Oct-29-09 01:31 PM   #17 
  - That meme is already circulating around here  Proud Liberal Dem   Oct-29-09 02:00 PM   #27 
  - Ed is emotional, however, Obama has not done enough. That is his style  still_one   Oct-29-09 01:47 PM   #23 
  - FUCK what the blue balled cowards want  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-29-09 01:57 PM   #25 
  - Majority rule is alive and well, at least in the House.  BzaDem   Oct-29-09 05:47 PM   #40 
  - Ed is wrong on this. This is the Blue Dogs/DLCers in Congress. It's not even Pelosi or Reid's  Liberal_Stalwart71   Oct-29-09 02:00 PM   #26 
  - It seems that the bill strips the anti-trust exemption from the insurers.  andym   Oct-29-09 02:07 PM   #29 
  - Wow. If "Big Ed" said so, it must be true  impik   Oct-29-09 02:10 PM   #30 
  - WTF is he complaining about!!?!!??!?!?!?! What is NOT in the bill that hee needs?  uponit7771   Oct-29-09 02:17 PM   #32 
  - I am tired of the health care debate in general. I will be glad when we all move on to complaining  Jennicut   Oct-29-09 02:28 PM   #36 
  - Well someone reviewed the health care bill proposed and I just got insurance on the PO.  vaberella   Oct-29-09 02:28 PM   #37 
  - Fuck off Ed. I'm sick of listening to you yell and rant.  Phx_Dem   Oct-29-09 05:17 PM   #38 
  - I don't think that some people realize yet that..  butterfly77   Oct-29-09 05:26 PM   #39 
  - I'm really getting sick of this guy  SoFlaJet   Oct-29-09 05:50 PM   #41 
  - that's the TRUTH  CTLawGuy   Oct-30-09 02:10 AM   #43 
  - Thank goodness for Ed.  Bushknew   Oct-29-09 06:18 PM   #42 

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