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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 05:48 PM
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24. Bingo -- A great observation about the hypocricy of this
Edited on Sun Oct-25-09 05:50 PM by Armstead
Those who claim that only the "free market" should deliver healthcare can't simultaneously use a form of Socialism to force citizens to become customers of corporations.
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  -If there is no "Public Option", is there a rational argument for mandates? Oregone  Oct-25-09 04:17 PM   #0 
  - Are you saying there is a rational argument for mandates if there is a public option? And this:  ProSense   Oct-25-09 04:30 PM   #1 
  - If there is an "affordable" public option for everyone, I have no problem with mandates  Oregone   Oct-25-09 04:39 PM   #5 
  - Without a mandate, you can't ban discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions.  BzaDem   Oct-25-09 04:32 PM   #2 
  - Then the exchange would get all the sick, and we're back to square one.  MarjorieG   Oct-25-09 04:36 PM   #4 
  - So you would accept the mandate alone to accomplish banning the pre-existing condition check?  Oregone   Oct-25-09 04:42 PM   #6 
  - No. A mandate without subsidies would be unfair to the poor and would not work.  BzaDem   Oct-25-09 06:12 PM   #26 
     - And if only some qualify for susidies who need them?  Oregone   Oct-25-09 06:32 PM   #29 
        - If some people don't qualify for subsidies who need them  BzaDem   Oct-26-09 01:58 AM   #35 
           - "insurance companies will want to make insurance affordable to them" - Incorrect  Oregone   Oct-26-09 02:38 AM   #37 
              - The incentives are slightly different here.  BzaDem   Oct-26-09 02:34 PM   #46 
                 - It doesn't matter--the general concept still applies  Oregone   Oct-26-09 04:23 PM   #48 
  - BTW, this just doesn't hold water because people can still pay fines or get horrible insurance...  Oregone   Oct-25-09 05:31 PM   #17 
     - The mandate would require a minimum plan.  BzaDem   Oct-25-09 06:16 PM   #27 
        - So if the private market complies to do this affordably, what is the point of the "public option"?  Oregone   Oct-25-09 06:37 PM   #31 
           - Here is how I see it working out  BzaDem   Oct-26-09 02:09 AM   #36 
              - But you do understand that only Exchange Eligible Individuals get subsidies?  Oregone   Oct-26-09 02:56 AM   #38 
              - Great. You can "afford" it. But after paying these shitstains, you have no discretionary income  eridani   Oct-26-09 06:27 AM   #39 
  - If not mandated, then more free for public option under the guidelines. Now we need competitive PO.  MarjorieG   Oct-25-09 04:34 PM   #3 
  - The latest is we must Mandate because  Bluenorthwest   Oct-25-09 04:48 PM   #7 
  - No one supports letting states opt out of the mandate.  BzaDem   Oct-25-09 06:18 PM   #28 
  - Which is something that I don't like about the opt-out  Oregone   Oct-25-09 06:40 PM   #32 
  - We have to have everybody? Fantastic!  eridani   Oct-26-09 06:28 AM   #40 
  - Straw OP  Aramchek   Oct-25-09 04:55 PM   #8 
  - Straw-man argument consists of falsifying an opponent's argument to attack it them easily  Oregone   Oct-25-09 04:59 PM   #9 
     - you made up a nonexistent situation, and then attacked it  Aramchek   Oct-25-09 05:32 PM   #18 
        - Ah, you mean "hypothetical". And it isn't entirely a hypothetical...  Oregone   Oct-25-09 05:45 PM   #22 
           - you want all-access to the PO because you want Single Payer  Aramchek   Oct-25-09 06:06 PM   #25 
              - No, but thank you for guessing my reasoning (which is beyond idealogical)  Oregone   Oct-25-09 06:35 PM   #30 
              - We don't need a public option other than allowing people to buy into Medicare  eridani   Oct-26-09 06:30 AM   #41 
  - the rationale is to eliminate pre-existing  TheWebHead   Oct-25-09 05:03 PM   #10 
  - So is forcing everyone to buy insurance worth eliminating pre-existing conditions check?  Oregone   Oct-25-09 05:13 PM   #11 
     - yes it would make it worth it to me  TheWebHead   Oct-25-09 05:43 PM   #21 
     - No. Forcing me to pay $450 a month is not worth it. What would be worth it  eridani   Oct-26-09 06:31 AM   #42 
  - "is there a rational argument for mandates?" If one were a Republican -or supported the party  depakid   Oct-25-09 05:17 PM   #12 
  - The insurance companies proposed, before Obama ever took office...  slipslidingaway   Oct-25-09 05:25 PM   #13 
  - Long before he took office. Nixon first proposed this system nationally in the 70s  Oregone   Oct-25-09 05:26 PM   #14 
     - Thinking of these articles, the insurance companies knew they had to ...  slipslidingaway   Oct-25-09 08:33 PM   #34 
  - Mandates with no public option is the end of the Democratic Party  Thrill   Oct-25-09 05:28 PM   #15 
  - Mandates with a public option delayed until 2013 may still be the end of us  eridani   Oct-26-09 06:32 AM   #43 
  - The rational is that, the bigger and the healthier the pool, the cheaper the insurance.  Mass   Oct-25-09 05:29 PM   #16 
  - Not entirely rational argument, because the pools are divided by 400 anyway  Oregone   Oct-25-09 05:35 PM   #19 
     - The answer is probably NO, or we would not need waivers for the middle class.  Mass   Oct-25-09 05:37 PM   #20 
  - The public option should be open as a choice for 100% of the population.  ipaint   Oct-25-09 05:47 PM   #23 
  - Bingo -- A great observation about the hypocricy of this  Armstead   Oct-25-09 05:48 PM   #24 
  - There is no rational argument at all for corporate mandates  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-25-09 07:25 PM   #33 
  - Great point.  area51   Oct-26-09 10:58 AM   #44 
  - in a  dionysus   Oct-26-09 12:44 PM   #45 
  - I don't see a rational case for any mandates under this system  TheKentuckian   Oct-26-09 03:02 PM   #47 

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