WillFranklin
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Sat Oct-24-09 02:16 PM
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| 72. Mamby-Pamby Moderates- who needs two Republican Parties? |
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Why can't we just have the robust public option with rates tied to Medicare? All of this do-nothing moderate crap gets us nowhere. ![]()  |
| -Pelosi OK with opt out clause. |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 12:16 PM |
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It is better than the trigger |
skipos |
Oct-24-09 12:18 PM |
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It's either opt out or the trigger. I choose box number two |
Tom Rinaldo |
Oct-24-09 12:24 PM |
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Likley to be both, with a dash of "not so much with the "public" part" |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:45 PM |
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Opt out with a trigger is just a more restictive version of a trigger |
Tom Rinaldo |
Oct-24-09 12:58 PM |
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I agree, but I have seen few proposals of a truly "robust" PO. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:04 PM |
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Much better, trigger = no PO ever, opt-out = PO for all or nearly all states |
grytpype |
Oct-24-09 02:24 PM |
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Also by allowing states to opt out... |
MikeE |
Oct-24-09 12:20 PM |
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Yep! |
Kahuna |
Oct-24-09 12:24 PM |
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Nope |
customerserviceguy |
Oct-24-09 12:33 PM |
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They won't opt out, just like they didn't refuse stimulus funds. |
grytpype |
Oct-24-09 02:26 PM |
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This might be the Democrats way of making a few red states blue. |
AndyA |
Oct-24-09 12:21 PM |
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"at the end of the day" what we will have is: |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:21 PM |
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pathetic |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 12:30 PM |
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Anything else to add ? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:36 PM |
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I never alert on tools. It's much better to allow them to make complete fools of themselves |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 12:50 PM |
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You are hilarious. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:55 PM |
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what alerts, dude? you are one paranoid character. |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 12:58 PM |
#31 |
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You read it. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:01 PM |
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I did not. Your assertion is false. |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 01:24 PM |
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Need I quote simpson? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:48 PM |
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I missed it again. |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 04:51 PM |
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MNDemNY i wish i could K&R your post!! +1!!!! eom |
flyarm |
Oct-24-09 02:09 PM |
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just keep calling out the corporatists when ever they rear their heads! |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:39 PM |
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The Baggers may be inspired to give their Tea away~ |
goclark |
Oct-24-09 12:24 PM |
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Where in hell is THAT train? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:28 PM |
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Sounds like it's coming together. Reconciling paying for it bigger issue, acc'd to Larry O'Donnell. |
flpoljunkie |
Oct-24-09 12:25 PM |
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Since You're From Florida... What Do You Think Of Citizens Insurance?? |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-24-09 01:06 PM |
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Not much! Another Republican disaster waiting to happen. |
flpoljunkie |
Oct-25-09 07:24 AM |
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K&R. I LOVE the idea of an opt-out. Especially since every state will HAVE the PO at first |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 12:27 PM |
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You mean the PO run by insurance companies that is neither public, nor an option? That one? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:37 PM |
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WhatEvah. |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 12:41 PM |
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That is your philosophy , isn't it (What ever) |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:42 PM |
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Yes. And I know the correct spelling is "whatever." Call me a "bot" all you want. It doesn't make |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 12:44 PM |
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No, your posts do that. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:46 PM |
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What EVAH! |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 12:47 PM |
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. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:50 PM |
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What EVAH! |
Cha |
Oct-24-09 01:27 PM |
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birds of a feather.... |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:44 PM |
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are better than turds in the punch bowl |
Aramchek |
Oct-25-09 03:11 PM |
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Thanks, Cha... |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 01:53 PM |
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Oh there's that |
Cha |
Oct-24-09 02:09 PM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 02:15 PM |
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So you're oppose to the way Medicare is run |
SpartanDem |
Oct-24-09 12:49 PM |
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You mean "Medicare Advantage" , YES. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:53 PM |
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No regular medicare contracts out a lot of it's work |
SpartanDem |
Oct-24-09 12:55 PM |
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Yes, but they have NO say in the "design and implementation." |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 12:59 PM |
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What the hell are you talking about? |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:32 PM |
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keep up that "hope". |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:46 PM |
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Opt-out is fine, but opt-out with loopholes is not. |
tridim |
Oct-24-09 12:41 PM |
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Pelosi knows something about politics |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-24-09 12:52 PM |
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Exactly. n/t |
jenmito |
Oct-24-09 12:54 PM |
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SOMEONE PLEASE tell me, Is the PO open To ALL or SOME? Covering ONLY uninsured is not an option nt |
quantass |
Oct-24-09 01:36 PM |
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After all this time you don't know the answer to this question? n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:39 PM |
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Do you? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:48 PM |
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I know you don't, especially after all the BS claims you've made in this thread. n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:53 PM |
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I see no answer from you. Still waiting for the "memo"?? |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:57 PM |
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Who said it was my job to eradicate ignorance? n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:59 PM |
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Typical. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:03 PM |
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Your head seems to be exploding over the fact that health reform with a public option survived. |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:08 PM |
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You and your cronies at the insurance giants will be rejoicing. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:23 PM |
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Worse, as proposed, only available to Uninsured with out "access " to private policies. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:47 PM |
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Some (uninsured), and maybe less with an opt-out |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 02:02 PM |
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But you will not be denied the obligation to buy lousy insurance at an inflated price from .. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:06 PM |
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Some. If you already have insurance through your employer, no PO for you. Yet. |
grytpype |
Oct-24-09 02:28 PM |
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Gee, I sure am glad that LBJ didn't allow "opt-out" crap for Medicare or Civil Rights. |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 01:48 PM |
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Big difference here is that LBJ had some courage. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:51 PM |
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Medicaid is opt out and Medicare started out providing coverage to only 19 million people. |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:53 PM |
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If red states can "opt out", you won't get anywhere near 97% - that's a pipe dream. |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 01:55 PM |
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Yeah, I can almost imagine that |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:02 PM |
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What was that supposed to mean? Anything significant? |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 02:09 PM |
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You're smart. Figure it out. n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:13 PM |
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She cannot elaborate, she has yet to receive that "memo" |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:29 PM |
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No current proposal comes close to 97% coverage. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:01 PM |
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Again, with your limited grasp of the |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:27 PM |
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Spewage. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:30 PM |
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Yes because Obama has certainly been out in front on this one!! |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:46 PM |
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So some American citizens will be bereft, because of their state govt. Great plan, just great. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-24-09 01:50 PM |
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Well, it MIGHT get us ONE, or, maybe TWO republofuck votes. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 01:55 PM |
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Yes, great plan that provides coverage to all states and allows them to opt out after a few years. |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 01:58 PM |
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Stop using Medicaid as an example - not every state fully participates - like mine, Texas |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 02:00 PM |
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"not every state fully participates " So they didn't opt out, huh? n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:04 PM |
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Do you realize that Medicaid is NOT a solely federal program? That it varies WIDELY state to state? |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 02:07 PM |
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Oh brother, do you realize that Medicare has its own share of significant problems, and that |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:12 PM |
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So, you have no idea how it works in my state. Just like how the "opt out" will work here either. |
Justitia |
Oct-24-09 02:21 PM |
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Mamby-Pamby Moderates- who needs two Republican Parties? |
WillFranklin |
Oct-24-09 02:16 PM |
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Welcome!!! |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 02:27 PM |
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More or less what I expected. |
Arkana |
Oct-24-09 02:25 PM |
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And what will become of the pukes who opt out?? |
and-justice-for-all |
Oct-24-09 02:26 PM |
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Purity trolls, take a hike. |
grytpype |
Oct-24-09 02:47 PM |
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The "thin sliver" Public Option gets whittled down even more... |
bvar22 |
Oct-24-09 02:48 PM |
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"Cheering"? More like not accepting your spin that everything is |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 02:52 PM |
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Price for House Health Care Bill to exceed $1Trillion dollars. |
bvar22 |
Oct-24-09 03:36 PM |
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No Obama knows what is best!!! Shut up and eat your shit sandwich. |
MNDemNY |
Oct-24-09 05:24 PM |
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"The officials who disclosed the details did so on condition of anonymity" |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 06:41 PM |
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So you understand that anonymous sources are not always reliable |
ProSense |
Oct-24-09 06:47 PM |
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What the hell does that mean? |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-24-09 06:20 PM |
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