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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 02:06 PM
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63. But you will not be denied the obligation to buy lousy insurance at an inflated price from ..
a monopolistic insurance giant. What the hell more do you want?
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  -Pelosi OK with opt out clause. ProSense  Oct-24-09 12:16 PM   #0 
  - It is better than the trigger  skipos   Oct-24-09 12:18 PM   #1 
  - It's either opt out or the trigger. I choose box number two  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #5 
  - Likley to be both, with a dash of "not so much with the "public" part"  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:45 PM   #19 
     - Opt out with a trigger is just a more restictive version of a trigger  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-24-09 12:58 PM   #30 
        - I agree, but I have seen few proposals of a truly "robust" PO.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:04 PM   #34 
  - Much better, trigger = no PO ever, opt-out = PO for all or nearly all states  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:24 PM   #75 
  - Also by allowing states to opt out...  MikeE   Oct-24-09 12:20 PM   #2 
  - Yep!  Kahuna   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #7 
  - Nope  customerserviceguy   Oct-24-09 12:33 PM   #12 
  - They won't opt out, just like they didn't refuse stimulus funds.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:26 PM   #77 
  - This might be the Democrats way of making a few red states blue.  AndyA   Oct-24-09 12:21 PM   #3 
  - "at the end of the day" what we will have is:  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:21 PM   #4 
  - pathetic  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:30 PM   #11 
  - Anything else to add ?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:36 PM   #13 
     - I never alert on tools. It's much better to allow them to make complete fools of themselves  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:50 PM   #24 
        - You are hilarious.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:55 PM   #28 
           - what alerts, dude? you are one paranoid character.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:58 PM   #31 
              - You read it.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:01 PM   #33 
                 - I did not. Your assertion is false.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:24 PM   #36 
                    - Need I quote simpson?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #46 
                       - I missed it again.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 04:51 PM   #90 
  - MNDemNY i wish i could K&R your post!! +1!!!! eom  flyarm   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #67 
     - just keep calling out the corporatists when ever they rear their heads!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:39 PM   #84 
  - The Baggers may be inspired to give their Tea away~  goclark   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #6 
  - Where in hell is THAT train?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Sounds like it's coming together. Reconciling paying for it bigger issue, acc'd to Larry O'Donnell.  flpoljunkie   Oct-24-09 12:25 PM   #8 
  - Since You're From Florida... What Do You Think Of Citizens Insurance??  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 01:06 PM   #35 
     - Not much! Another Republican disaster waiting to happen.  flpoljunkie   Oct-25-09 07:24 AM   #95 
  - K&R. I LOVE the idea of an opt-out. Especially since every state will HAVE the PO at first  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:27 PM   #9 
  - You mean the PO run by insurance companies that is neither public, nor an option? That one?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:37 PM   #14 
     - WhatEvah.  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:41 PM   #15 
     - That is your philosophy , isn't it (What ever)  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:42 PM   #17 
        - Yes. And I know the correct spelling is "whatever." Call me a "bot" all you want. It doesn't make  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:44 PM   #18 
           - No, your posts do that.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:46 PM   #20 
              - What EVAH!  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:47 PM   #21 
                 - .  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:50 PM   #23 
                 - What EVAH!  Cha   Oct-24-09 01:27 PM   #37 
                    - birds of a feather....  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:44 PM   #41 
                    - are better than turds in the punch bowl  Aramchek   Oct-25-09 03:11 PM   #96 
                    - Thanks, Cha...  jenmito   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #51 
                       - Oh there's that  Cha   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #66 
                          - Yup...  jenmito   Oct-24-09 02:15 PM   #71 
     - So you're oppose to the way Medicare is run  SpartanDem   Oct-24-09 12:49 PM   #22 
        - You mean "Medicare Advantage" , YES.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:53 PM   #26 
           - No regular medicare contracts out a lot of it's work  SpartanDem   Oct-24-09 12:55 PM   #29 
              - Yes, but they have NO say in the "design and implementation."  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:59 PM   #32 
                 - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:32 PM   #38 
                    - keep up that "hope".  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:46 PM   #42 
  - Opt-out is fine, but opt-out with loopholes is not.  tridim   Oct-24-09 12:41 PM   #16 
  - Pelosi knows something about politics  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-24-09 12:52 PM   #25 
  - Exactly. n/t  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:54 PM   #27 
  - SOMEONE PLEASE tell me, Is the PO open To ALL or SOME? Covering ONLY uninsured is not an option nt  quantass   Oct-24-09 01:36 PM   #39 
  - After all this time you don't know the answer to this question? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:39 PM   #40 
  - Do you?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #44 
     - I know you don't, especially after all the BS claims you've made in this thread. n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #50 
        - I see no answer from you. Still waiting for the "memo"??  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:57 PM   #54 
           - Who said it was my job to eradicate ignorance? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:59 PM   #56 
              - Typical.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:03 PM   #61 
                 - Your head seems to be exploding over the fact that health reform with a public option survived.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:08 PM   #65 
                    - You and your cronies at the insurance giants will be rejoicing.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:23 PM   #74 
  - Worse, as proposed, only available to Uninsured with out "access " to private policies.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:47 PM   #43 
  - Some (uninsured), and maybe less with an opt-out  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #60 
  - But you will not be denied the obligation to buy lousy insurance at an inflated price from ..  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:06 PM   #63 
  - Some. If you already have insurance through your employer, no PO for you. Yet.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:28 PM   #81 
  - Gee, I sure am glad that LBJ didn't allow "opt-out" crap for Medicare or Civil Rights.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #45 
  - Big difference here is that LBJ had some courage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:51 PM   #48 
  - Medicaid is opt out and Medicare started out providing coverage to only 19 million people.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #49 
     - If red states can "opt out", you won't get anywhere near 97% - that's a pipe dream.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 01:55 PM   #52 
     - Yeah, I can almost imagine that  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #59 
        - What was that supposed to mean? Anything significant?  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #68 
           - You're smart. Figure it out. n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:13 PM   #70 
           - She cannot elaborate, she has yet to receive that "memo"  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:29 PM   #82 
     - No current proposal comes close to 97% coverage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:01 PM   #58 
     - Again, with your limited grasp of the  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:27 PM   #80 
        - Spewage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:30 PM   #83 
     - Yes because Obama has certainly been out in front on this one!!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:46 PM   #85 
  - So some American citizens will be bereft, because of their state govt. Great plan, just great.  WinkyDink   Oct-24-09 01:50 PM   #47 
  - Well, it MIGHT get us ONE, or, maybe TWO republofuck votes.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:55 PM   #53 
  - Yes, great plan that provides coverage to all states and allows them to opt out after a few years.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:58 PM   #55 
     - Stop using Medicaid as an example - not every state fully participates - like mine, Texas  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:00 PM   #57 
        - "not every state fully participates " So they didn't opt out, huh? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:04 PM   #62 
           - Do you realize that Medicaid is NOT a solely federal program? That it varies WIDELY state to state?  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:07 PM   #64 
              - Oh brother, do you realize that Medicare has its own share of significant problems, and that  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:12 PM   #69 
                 - So, you have no idea how it works in my state. Just like how the "opt out" will work here either.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:21 PM   #73 
  - Mamby-Pamby Moderates- who needs two Republican Parties?  WillFranklin   Oct-24-09 02:16 PM   #72 
  - Welcome!!!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:27 PM   #79 
  - More or less what I expected.  Arkana   Oct-24-09 02:25 PM   #76 
  - And what will become of the pukes who opt out??  and-justice-for-all   Oct-24-09 02:26 PM   #78 
  - Purity trolls, take a hike.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:47 PM   #86 
  - The "thin sliver" Public Option gets whittled down even more...  bvar22   Oct-24-09 02:48 PM   #87 
  - "Cheering"? More like not accepting your spin that everything is  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:52 PM   #88 
  - Price for House Health Care Bill to exceed $1Trillion dollars.  bvar22   Oct-24-09 03:36 PM   #89 
  - No Obama knows what is best!!! Shut up and eat your shit sandwich.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 05:24 PM   #91 
  - "The officials who disclosed the details did so on condition of anonymity"  ProSense   Oct-24-09 06:41 PM   #93 
  - So you understand that anonymous sources are not always reliable  ProSense   Oct-24-09 06:47 PM   #94 
  - What the hell does that mean?  Life Long Dem   Oct-24-09 06:20 PM   #92 

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