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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:58 PM
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30. Opt out with a trigger is just a more restictive version of a trigger
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 12:58 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I'll still be paying attention to the fine print. I expect the private options to fail in practice, even with whatever new rules are included, but I want a public option in on the ground floor so we have something we can build on when they do. There are some other positive features to this reform package along with the bad ones; like a curb on pre-existing conditions. But cut out a functional real public option from this "reform", or derail it with "a trigger", and I shift to strongly opposing it
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  -Pelosi OK with opt out clause. ProSense  Oct-24-09 12:16 PM   #0 
  - It is better than the trigger  skipos   Oct-24-09 12:18 PM   #1 
  - It's either opt out or the trigger. I choose box number two  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #5 
  - Likley to be both, with a dash of "not so much with the "public" part"  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:45 PM   #19 
     - Opt out with a trigger is just a more restictive version of a trigger  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-24-09 12:58 PM   #30 
        - I agree, but I have seen few proposals of a truly "robust" PO.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:04 PM   #34 
  - Much better, trigger = no PO ever, opt-out = PO for all or nearly all states  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:24 PM   #75 
  - Also by allowing states to opt out...  MikeE   Oct-24-09 12:20 PM   #2 
  - Yep!  Kahuna   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #7 
  - Nope  customerserviceguy   Oct-24-09 12:33 PM   #12 
  - They won't opt out, just like they didn't refuse stimulus funds.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:26 PM   #77 
  - This might be the Democrats way of making a few red states blue.  AndyA   Oct-24-09 12:21 PM   #3 
  - "at the end of the day" what we will have is:  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:21 PM   #4 
  - pathetic  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:30 PM   #11 
  - Anything else to add ?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:36 PM   #13 
     - I never alert on tools. It's much better to allow them to make complete fools of themselves  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:50 PM   #24 
        - You are hilarious.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:55 PM   #28 
           - what alerts, dude? you are one paranoid character.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 12:58 PM   #31 
              - You read it.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:01 PM   #33 
                 - I did not. Your assertion is false.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:24 PM   #36 
                    - Need I quote simpson?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #46 
                       - I missed it again.  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 04:51 PM   #90 
  - MNDemNY i wish i could K&R your post!! +1!!!! eom  flyarm   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #67 
     - just keep calling out the corporatists when ever they rear their heads!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:39 PM   #84 
  - The Baggers may be inspired to give their Tea away~  goclark   Oct-24-09 12:24 PM   #6 
  - Where in hell is THAT train?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Sounds like it's coming together. Reconciling paying for it bigger issue, acc'd to Larry O'Donnell.  flpoljunkie   Oct-24-09 12:25 PM   #8 
  - Since You're From Florida... What Do You Think Of Citizens Insurance??  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 01:06 PM   #35 
     - Not much! Another Republican disaster waiting to happen.  flpoljunkie   Oct-25-09 07:24 AM   #95 
  - K&R. I LOVE the idea of an opt-out. Especially since every state will HAVE the PO at first  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:27 PM   #9 
  - You mean the PO run by insurance companies that is neither public, nor an option? That one?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:37 PM   #14 
     - WhatEvah.  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:41 PM   #15 
     - That is your philosophy , isn't it (What ever)  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:42 PM   #17 
        - Yes. And I know the correct spelling is "whatever." Call me a "bot" all you want. It doesn't make  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:44 PM   #18 
           - No, your posts do that.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:46 PM   #20 
              - What EVAH!  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:47 PM   #21 
                 - .  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:50 PM   #23 
                 - What EVAH!  Cha   Oct-24-09 01:27 PM   #37 
                    - birds of a feather....  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:44 PM   #41 
                    - are better than turds in the punch bowl  Aramchek   Oct-25-09 03:11 PM   #96 
                    - Thanks, Cha...  jenmito   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #51 
                       - Oh there's that  Cha   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #66 
                          - Yup...  jenmito   Oct-24-09 02:15 PM   #71 
     - So you're oppose to the way Medicare is run  SpartanDem   Oct-24-09 12:49 PM   #22 
        - You mean "Medicare Advantage" , YES.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:53 PM   #26 
           - No regular medicare contracts out a lot of it's work  SpartanDem   Oct-24-09 12:55 PM   #29 
              - Yes, but they have NO say in the "design and implementation."  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 12:59 PM   #32 
                 - What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:32 PM   #38 
                    - keep up that "hope".  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:46 PM   #42 
  - Opt-out is fine, but opt-out with loopholes is not.  tridim   Oct-24-09 12:41 PM   #16 
  - Pelosi knows something about politics  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-24-09 12:52 PM   #25 
  - Exactly. n/t  jenmito   Oct-24-09 12:54 PM   #27 
  - SOMEONE PLEASE tell me, Is the PO open To ALL or SOME? Covering ONLY uninsured is not an option nt  quantass   Oct-24-09 01:36 PM   #39 
  - After all this time you don't know the answer to this question? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:39 PM   #40 
  - Do you?  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #44 
     - I know you don't, especially after all the BS claims you've made in this thread. n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #50 
        - I see no answer from you. Still waiting for the "memo"??  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:57 PM   #54 
           - Who said it was my job to eradicate ignorance? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:59 PM   #56 
              - Typical.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:03 PM   #61 
                 - Your head seems to be exploding over the fact that health reform with a public option survived.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:08 PM   #65 
                    - You and your cronies at the insurance giants will be rejoicing.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:23 PM   #74 
  - Worse, as proposed, only available to Uninsured with out "access " to private policies.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:47 PM   #43 
  - Some (uninsured), and maybe less with an opt-out  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #60 
  - But you will not be denied the obligation to buy lousy insurance at an inflated price from ..  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:06 PM   #63 
  - Some. If you already have insurance through your employer, no PO for you. Yet.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:28 PM   #81 
  - Gee, I sure am glad that LBJ didn't allow "opt-out" crap for Medicare or Civil Rights.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 01:48 PM   #45 
  - Big difference here is that LBJ had some courage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:51 PM   #48 
  - Medicaid is opt out and Medicare started out providing coverage to only 19 million people.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #49 
     - If red states can "opt out", you won't get anywhere near 97% - that's a pipe dream.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 01:55 PM   #52 
     - Yeah, I can almost imagine that  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #59 
        - What was that supposed to mean? Anything significant?  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:09 PM   #68 
           - You're smart. Figure it out. n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:13 PM   #70 
           - She cannot elaborate, she has yet to receive that "memo"  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:29 PM   #82 
     - No current proposal comes close to 97% coverage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:01 PM   #58 
     - Again, with your limited grasp of the  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:27 PM   #80 
        - Spewage.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:30 PM   #83 
     - Yes because Obama has certainly been out in front on this one!!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:46 PM   #85 
  - So some American citizens will be bereft, because of their state govt. Great plan, just great.  WinkyDink   Oct-24-09 01:50 PM   #47 
  - Well, it MIGHT get us ONE, or, maybe TWO republofuck votes.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 01:55 PM   #53 
  - Yes, great plan that provides coverage to all states and allows them to opt out after a few years.  ProSense   Oct-24-09 01:58 PM   #55 
     - Stop using Medicaid as an example - not every state fully participates - like mine, Texas  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:00 PM   #57 
        - "not every state fully participates " So they didn't opt out, huh? n/t  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:04 PM   #62 
           - Do you realize that Medicaid is NOT a solely federal program? That it varies WIDELY state to state?  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:07 PM   #64 
              - Oh brother, do you realize that Medicare has its own share of significant problems, and that  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:12 PM   #69 
                 - So, you have no idea how it works in my state. Just like how the "opt out" will work here either.  Justitia   Oct-24-09 02:21 PM   #73 
  - Mamby-Pamby Moderates- who needs two Republican Parties?  WillFranklin   Oct-24-09 02:16 PM   #72 
  - Welcome!!!  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 02:27 PM   #79 
  - More or less what I expected.  Arkana   Oct-24-09 02:25 PM   #76 
  - And what will become of the pukes who opt out??  and-justice-for-all   Oct-24-09 02:26 PM   #78 
  - Purity trolls, take a hike.  grytpype   Oct-24-09 02:47 PM   #86 
  - The "thin sliver" Public Option gets whittled down even more...  bvar22   Oct-24-09 02:48 PM   #87 
  - "Cheering"? More like not accepting your spin that everything is  ProSense   Oct-24-09 02:52 PM   #88 
  - Price for House Health Care Bill to exceed $1Trillion dollars.  bvar22   Oct-24-09 03:36 PM   #89 
  - No Obama knows what is best!!! Shut up and eat your shit sandwich.  MNDemNY   Oct-24-09 05:24 PM   #91 
  - "The officials who disclosed the details did so on condition of anonymity"  ProSense   Oct-24-09 06:41 PM   #93 
  - So you understand that anonymous sources are not always reliable  ProSense   Oct-24-09 06:47 PM   #94 
  - What the hell does that mean?  Life Long Dem   Oct-24-09 06:20 PM   #92 
 

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