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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #81
83. What concerns me is...
... if there's a nasty surprise in the bill.

Like the minimum wage increase Colorado approved in 2006. Little did we know that there was a clause tucked inside that tied the increase to inflation. This year, the minimum wage is actually decreasing because we're in deflation. Nice little gotcha, eh?
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  - Maybe the" Trigger" plan rumour is being floated so that we will be grateful for the crap OPT OUT saracat  Oct-23-09 07:49 PM   #0 
  - Good point -- I hate the "opt out" but prefer it to a trigger...So I'm rooting for opt-out  Armstead   Oct-23-09 07:50 PM   #1 
  - I am not rooting for either of them. I want a plan that covers everyone.  saracat   Oct-23-09 07:52 PM   #2 
     - Well too....But making people like me prefer a bad plan reinforces your point  Armstead   Oct-23-09 07:55 PM   #5 
  - Many DUers are cheering for the opt out.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-23-09 07:53 PM   #3 
  - Thats because an opt out transforms this bill beyond health reform, into a political game  Oregone   Oct-23-09 07:56 PM   #6 
  - Exactly.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-23-09 08:11 PM   #13 
  - I think the Rethugs will have a difficult time deciding to opt-out,  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:48 PM   #21 
  - You're right......  Clio the Leo   Oct-23-09 08:23 PM   #16 
  - Better than all of us going through hell  WyLoochka   Oct-24-09 01:07 PM   #155 
  - you always avoid the fact that all states will have to participate for the first few years  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:20 PM   #157 
  - Sometimes you have to play political games to acheive progress.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:20 PM   #161 
  - I think if we have an "opt out" it will be much harder for the Rethugs  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:46 PM   #19 
  - "I think" no one has a crystal ball  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:04 PM   #26 
  - Or they'll do like Bobby Jindal-- grandstand about opting out  Overseas   Oct-24-09 10:59 AM   #139 
  - I think its a wonderful idea  niceypoo   Oct-24-09 11:16 AM   #142 
  - Look. I do not want a piece of shit  Oregone   Oct-23-09 07:55 PM   #4 
  - Opt out is brilliant  ProSense   Oct-23-09 07:57 PM   #7 
  - Mandate a purchase but don't guarantee it'll affordable and responsible for all  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:02 PM   #8 
  - "Anthony Weiner (Democrat NY's 9th) for President 2012! "  ProSense   Oct-23-09 08:08 PM   #12 
     - You're a tad off topic.  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:14 PM   #15 
  - Right. How many states have opted-out of Medicaid? None, because there'd  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:49 PM   #22 
  - Then its a moot concession  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:00 PM   #24 
  - If it's included, it will be because it WILL make a difference on the outcome  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 09:21 PM   #31 
     - If it will make a difference on the outcome, it will likely make a difference on the implementation  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:26 PM   #33 
        - I disagree, since the interests of Federal and State politicians are not the same. nt  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 09:51 PM   #35 
  - No, because it's a legal entitlement  sandnsea   Oct-23-09 09:20 PM   #30 
  - We finally agree. It is brilliant. And it will give the GOP little space to argue.  David Zephyr   Oct-23-09 11:03 PM   #45 
  - I think the only way we get something remotely worthwhile is if it has a trigger or opt out  Clarkansas   Oct-23-09 08:02 PM   #9 
  - A Robust Public Option in some states that Works as it Should would be GREAT.  NYC_SKP   Oct-23-09 08:05 PM   #10 
  - I have it on good authority from an anonymous source that Trigger is dead  DJ13   Oct-23-09 08:05 PM   #11 
  - Christ. Some people want Opt-Out another crew want Trigger...for cripes sake. n/t  vaberella   Oct-23-09 08:12 PM   #14 
  - If they pass Opt-out, Big Insurance pays some $$ to states, they all opt out  havocmom   Oct-23-09 08:37 PM   #17 
  - "and the public is still at their mercy"  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:44 PM   #18 
  - either way, you'll be more bitter then than you are now!  dionysus   Oct-23-09 08:46 PM   #20 
  - +1  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:11 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, some states have it and some states don't.  Life Long Dem   Oct-23-09 08:57 PM   #23 
  - And all states will have the mandates  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:01 PM   #25 
     - The bill isnt written yet, you know that how? n/t  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:11 PM   #29 
        - The mandates seem to be the only thing that is consistently not up for debate in Congress  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:23 PM   #32 
           - You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option?  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:56 PM   #36 
              - Reworded: "You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option..." available universally?  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:02 PM   #38 
                 - 1 bill of the 5 had a mandate w/o a public option...  yourguide   Oct-23-09 10:24 PM   #39 
                    - All had mandates without *universally available* public options  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:30 PM   #40 
                       - I havent read each of the bills  yourguide   Oct-23-09 10:46 PM   #41 
                          - "If we get a PO I plan to opt out of my employer plan and opt in to the PO"  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:51 PM   #42 
                          - Another example:  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:59 PM   #43 
                          - Better illustration:  Oregone   Oct-23-09 11:14 PM   #46 
                          - Good luck on that. It's my understanding  Autumn   Oct-24-09 07:57 AM   #115 
  - I don't like this idea. I live in a red state. I have good insurance my worry  southernyankeebelle   Oct-23-09 09:10 PM   #27 
  - Can you move?  boppers   Oct-24-09 12:15 AM   #48 
  - Only if they have money, which is kind of the way healthcare is now!  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #53 
     - How much money?  boppers   Oct-24-09 02:52 PM   #160 
  - Red State Here Too! Florida! Wonder How This Will Be Helpful To  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 11:54 AM   #146 
  - oh for gawds sake. No state is going to opt out, at least not for long. It's a bone with no meat.  Hamlette   Oct-23-09 09:49 PM   #34 
  - I Find It Humerous That The OP Posts Here...  JimGinPA   Oct-23-09 09:58 PM   #37 
  - .  NYC_SKP   Oct-24-09 12:15 AM   #49 
  - I have never been a PUMA.  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:53 AM   #54 
  - So You Say...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 02:09 AM   #60 
  - It is a wonderful board with varied opinions and people aren't allowed to attack one another.  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:13 AM   #64 
  - Funny... I thought most of you supported...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:23 AM   #76 
  - That board is not a PUMA board.  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:00 AM   #71 
  - This Sig Line From A Poster There Speaks Volumes...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 08:20 AM   #117 
     - No one on that board has ever said they wanted a republican  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 08:55 AM   #119 
     - The board is actually kind of interesting, now that you've given me a link  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:58 AM   #149 
     - delete dupe  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:58 AM   #150 
  - Puma = republican.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:36 AM   #113 
  - Amen.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:22 AM   #122 
  - Saracat does not make vile posts here. You're slandering her.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:21 AM   #121 
  - Here & There...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 10:08 AM   #135 
     - Innuendo + no facts = slander  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:01 AM   #140 
        - Check This Link...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 11:38 AM   #143 
           - And what am I looking for on this link?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:52 AM   #144 
              - And this one: "The Rich Have Stolen the Economy"  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:53 AM   #145 
  - She WAS NEVER A PUMA!! I Know For Sure! n/t  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 11:56 AM   #147 
  - Calling someone a PUMA  AllentownJake   Oct-24-09 04:37 PM   #165 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 10:43 AM   #138 
  - Well can't say that's a surprise.  Lord Helmet   Oct-24-09 02:55 AM   #70 
  - We ALL have thoughts that aren't "acceptable" to our main crowd  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:08 AM   #73 
  - who's stopping her?  Lord Helmet   Oct-24-09 03:10 AM   #74 
     - What duplicity? I didn't support Obama in the primary. Obviously you have a problem with that.  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:36 AM   #82 
     - I supported Edwards in the primary; he was the only one speaking anti-corporate language  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:37 AM   #127 
     - Clearly, you are trying to stop her. You've done everything but call for a pizza.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:35 AM   #126 
  - There are no posts I would take back. I wrote what I felt. So they are on the web?  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:32 AM   #80 
  - You don't need to defend yourself, saracat. These folks seem to have a vendetta for no reason  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:39 AM   #128 
  - Yo, Lord Helmet. Is DU the only place you post?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:24 AM   #123 
  - "humerous"  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:33 AM   #112 
  - Thanks For The Spellcheck...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 08:33 AM   #118 
     - It's true.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 09:33 AM   #125 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 09:40 AM   #129 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-24-09 10:01 AM   #134 
     - I don't see how that's incriminating in the slightest bit.  Forkboy   Oct-24-09 10:10 AM   #136 
  - The Primary is over. We all elected Obama. Saracat is a loyal DUer and  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:19 AM   #120 
  - I love the Opt Out.  David Zephyr   Oct-23-09 11:00 PM   #44 
  - Politically, maybe, but some people will still die from a lack of health insurance  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:43 AM   #130 
     - how would - some people still die  paulk   Oct-24-09 10:28 AM   #137 
     - And if there is no bill then even more people will still die.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:30 PM   #163 
        - Up is down.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:04 PM   #166 
           - No, methinks you are the one needing a logic lesson.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 07:30 PM   #167 
  - Us blue states could use the medical tourism... and new residents...  boppers   Oct-24-09 12:13 AM   #47 
  - Case in point.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:38 AM   #114 
     - Hatred or contempt for a state is not the same as hatred or contempt of a person.  boppers   Oct-24-09 02:48 PM   #159 
  - Yes thank you for posting out the Grand Elm Tree and this poster  Politics_Guy25   Oct-24-09 01:26 AM   #50 
  - Ad hominem  Oregone   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 01:56 AM   #56 
     - I just don't think that invalidates the argument at hand  Oregone   Oct-24-09 01:59 AM   #58 
        - I understand, and agree  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:10 AM   #61 
           - Well, people should keep in perspective...  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:23 AM   #66 
              - There's a lot of branding and  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:29 AM   #111 
                 - +1  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:46 AM   #132 
  - Also understand that  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 01:53 AM   #55 
  - You don't know that. If Obama's people had come out with a strong single payer plan  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:49 AM   #133 
  - When have I ever denied my primary opinion? Once again you infer that  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:57 AM   #57 
  - Maybe the "red states"  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:06 AM   #59 
     - Funny how you want to extract vengeance on anyone who doesn't agree with you  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:11 AM   #62 
     - Elections have consequences.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:13 AM   #63 
        - So, the Democrats punish their own for supporting them?  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:21 AM   #65 
           - I agree with 99.9% of that.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 03:05 AM   #72 
              - And I agree with this of my major complaints about rahm Emmanuel is the courting of folks  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:25 AM   #77 
              - I still believe  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 03:55 AM   #86 
                 - I think mine does as well, and perhaps I am overzealous in my  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:00 AM   #87 
                    - I don't think a person  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:08 AM   #91 
                       - Well, some don't think I have the right to be. Health care was always  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:11 AM   #93 
                          - I'm damn glad you are. n/t  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:20 AM   #96 
              - Delete dupe  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:31 AM   #78 
              - Thanks for doing the big thing and making a good debate...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:31 AM   #79 
                 - Upon further review,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:05 AM   #89 
                    - I happily accept your apology, and I am honored to have you on our side as well!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:15 AM   #94 
                       - Debate without resorting to petty name-calling,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:22 AM   #97 
                          - You can delete if it isn't too late! I sometimes have to do that! LOL!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:33 AM   #100 
                             - Sorry,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:37 AM   #101 
                                - Actually I have got to say, alerting on yourself is pretty funny!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:41 AM   #103 
                                   - I wasn't sure either! n/t  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 05:11 AM   #108 
     - I don't think any Americans should be "forced to suffer"  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:27 AM   #67 
        - No fault of their own?  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:50 AM   #68 
           - While their choices may be detrimental, they are but products of their environments  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:53 AM   #69 
              - Policy doesn't work as punishment...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:21 AM   #75 
  - Why would you discount someone's opinion because they backed another primary candidate?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:45 AM   #131 
  - Grand Elm Tree??? Boy Oh Boy -- Some Of Us Truly Believed In What  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 12:26 PM   #154 
  - I will take a bill with a PO and an opt out over a bill without a PO.  msallied   Oct-24-09 01:32 AM   #51 
  - what do you want , saracat? a good health plan...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 03:34 AM   #81 
  - What concerns me is...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:38 AM   #83 
  - I do understand the distrust as we've been marinated in it...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 03:49 AM   #85 
  - i want the democratic party and the president to man up and get us a public heath care plan  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:43 AM   #84 
     - I want what you want.  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:01 AM   #88 
     - Because he is compromising when there isn't a necessity for it.  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:09 AM   #92 
        - glass half empty or half full  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:25 AM   #99 
           - If your gonna challenge, challenge ALL the way. There is a bit of protection  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:38 AM   #102 
           - I don't see Obama kissing up to Pharma or Insurance...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:53 AM   #106 
              - I hope you are correct. The closed door meeting with Big Pharms did little to inspire hope in me.  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:56 AM   #107 
                 - but...maybe he could have said:  Whisp   Oct-24-09 05:58 AM   #109 
           - And as for what he is, we have no idea as yet.Perhaps when we have a real bill  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:45 AM   #104 
              - half empty  Whisp   Oct-24-09 06:21 AM   #110 
     - Once again we agree!  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:06 AM   #90 
        - Hey, it happens! LOL!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:18 AM   #95 
           - Thanks for helping me boost my post count.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:23 AM   #98 
              - Thanks in part to you, I may hit 22,000 soon! But I have been here awhile  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:48 AM   #105 
              - That will work, I have been here since before  Autumn   Oct-24-09 08:10 AM   #116 
  - Saracat, I was wondering the same thing, especially considering Matt Taibbi's article  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:27 AM   #124 
  - "Public Option Likely to Be Managed by Private Insurance Company"  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:08 AM   #141 
  - Actually, letting the people all ready equipped manage it means it gets off the ground faster.  phleshdef   Oct-24-09 11:57 AM   #148 
     - Same logic behind putting Blackwater in charge of wars and Wackenhut in charge of prisons  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 12:01 PM   #151 
        - Not the same logic at all. Its the difference between regulated and unregulated.  phleshdef   Oct-24-09 12:03 PM   #152 
           - And you think in our current climate these private companies will be regulated?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 12:09 PM   #153 
  - just because you live in a Red State, you oppose our best chance at a PO?  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:17 PM   #156 
  - Just because you live in a Blue State, you find it morally acceptable to deny millions  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #158 
     - I find it morally unacceptable for there to be no bill.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:35 PM   #164 
  - Opt-Out is brilliant  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:23 PM   #162 
  - saracat, I thought this exact same thing.  jesus_of_suburbia   Oct-24-09 07:33 PM   #168 

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