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| 47. Us blue states could use the medical tourism... and new residents... |
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..and votes, and house seats, and new friends from all over the country. If the red states are hell bent on turning themselves into third world countries, that's up to them.
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| - Maybe the" Trigger" plan rumour is being floated so that we will be grateful for the crap OPT OUT |
saracat |
Oct-23-09 07:49 PM |
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Good point -- I hate the "opt out" but prefer it to a trigger...So I'm rooting for opt-out |
Armstead |
Oct-23-09 07:50 PM |
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I am not rooting for either of them. I want a plan that covers everyone. |
saracat |
Oct-23-09 07:52 PM |
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Well yeah...me too....But making people like me prefer a bad plan reinforces your point |
Armstead |
Oct-23-09 07:55 PM |
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Many DUers are cheering for the opt out. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Oct-23-09 07:53 PM |
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Thats because an opt out transforms this bill beyond health reform, into a political game |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 07:56 PM |
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Exactly. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Oct-23-09 08:11 PM |
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I think the Rethugs will have a difficult time deciding to opt-out, |
pnwmom |
Oct-23-09 08:48 PM |
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You're right...... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-23-09 08:23 PM |
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Better than all of us going through hell |
WyLoochka |
Oct-24-09 01:07 PM |
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you always avoid the fact that all states will have to participate for the first few years |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 01:20 PM |
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Sometimes you have to play political games to acheive progress. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-24-09 04:20 PM |
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I think if we have an "opt out" it will be much harder for the Rethugs |
pnwmom |
Oct-23-09 08:46 PM |
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"I think" no one has a crystal ball |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 09:04 PM |
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Or they'll do like Bobby Jindal-- grandstand about opting out |
Overseas |
Oct-24-09 10:59 AM |
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I think its a wonderful idea |
niceypoo |
Oct-24-09 11:16 AM |
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Look. I do not want a piece of shit |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 07:55 PM |
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Opt out is brilliant |
ProSense |
Oct-23-09 07:57 PM |
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Mandate a purchase but don't guarantee it'll affordable and responsible for all |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 08:02 PM |
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"Anthony Weiner (Democrat NY's 9th) for President 2012! " |
ProSense |
Oct-23-09 08:08 PM |
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You're a tad off topic. |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 08:14 PM |
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Right. How many states have opted-out of Medicaid? None, because there'd |
pnwmom |
Oct-23-09 08:49 PM |
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Then its a moot concession |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 09:00 PM |
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If it's included, it will be because it WILL make a difference on the outcome |
pnwmom |
Oct-23-09 09:21 PM |
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If it will make a difference on the outcome, it will likely make a difference on the implementation |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 09:26 PM |
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I disagree, since the interests of Federal and State politicians are not the same. nt |
pnwmom |
Oct-23-09 09:51 PM |
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No, because it's a legal entitlement |
sandnsea |
Oct-23-09 09:20 PM |
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We finally agree. It is brilliant. And it will give the GOP little space to argue. |
David Zephyr |
Oct-23-09 11:03 PM |
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I think the only way we get something remotely worthwhile is if it has a trigger or opt out |
Clarkansas |
Oct-23-09 08:02 PM |
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A Robust Public Option in some states that Works as it Should would be GREAT. |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-23-09 08:05 PM |
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I have it on good authority from an anonymous source that Trigger is dead |
DJ13 |
Oct-23-09 08:05 PM |
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Christ. Some people want Opt-Out another crew want Trigger...for cripes sake. n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-23-09 08:12 PM |
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If they pass Opt-out, Big Insurance pays some $$ to states, they all opt out |
havocmom |
Oct-23-09 08:37 PM |
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"and the public is still at their mercy" |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 08:44 PM |
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either way, you'll be more bitter then than you are now! |
dionysus |
Oct-23-09 08:46 PM |
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+1 |
yourguide |
Oct-23-09 09:11 PM |
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Yeah, some states have it and some states don't. |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-23-09 08:57 PM |
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And all states will have the mandates |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 09:01 PM |
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The bill isnt written yet, you know that how? n/t |
yourguide |
Oct-23-09 09:11 PM |
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The mandates seem to be the only thing that is consistently not up for debate in Congress |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 09:23 PM |
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You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option? |
yourguide |
Oct-23-09 09:56 PM |
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Reworded: "You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option..." available universally? |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 10:02 PM |
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1 bill of the 5 had a mandate w/o a public option... |
yourguide |
Oct-23-09 10:24 PM |
#39 |
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All had mandates without *universally available* public options |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 10:30 PM |
#40 |
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I havent read each of the bills |
yourguide |
Oct-23-09 10:46 PM |
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"If we get a PO I plan to opt out of my employer plan and opt in to the PO" |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 10:51 PM |
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Another example: |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 10:59 PM |
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Better illustration: |
Oregone |
Oct-23-09 11:14 PM |
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Good luck on that. It's my understanding |
Autumn |
Oct-24-09 07:57 AM |
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I don't like this idea. I live in a red state. I have good insurance my worry |
southernyankeebelle |
Oct-23-09 09:10 PM |
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Can you move? |
boppers |
Oct-24-09 12:15 AM |
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Only if they have money, which is kind of the way healthcare is now! |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 01:51 AM |
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How much money? |
boppers |
Oct-24-09 02:52 PM |
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Red State Here Too! Florida! Wonder How This Will Be Helpful To |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-24-09 11:54 AM |
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oh for gawds sake. No state is going to opt out, at least not for long. It's a bone with no meat. |
Hamlette |
Oct-23-09 09:49 PM |
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I Find It Humerous That The OP Posts Here... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-23-09 09:58 PM |
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. |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-24-09 12:15 AM |
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I have never been a PUMA. |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 01:53 AM |
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So You Say... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-24-09 02:09 AM |
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It is a wonderful board with varied opinions and people aren't allowed to attack one another. |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 02:13 AM |
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Funny... I thought most of you supported... |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:23 AM |
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That board is not a PUMA board. |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:00 AM |
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This Sig Line From A Poster There Speaks Volumes... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-24-09 08:20 AM |
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No one on that board has ever said they wanted a republican |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 08:55 AM |
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The board is actually kind of interesting, now that you've given me a link |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:58 AM |
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delete dupe |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:58 AM |
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Puma = republican. |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 07:36 AM |
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Amen. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:22 AM |
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Saracat does not make vile posts here. You're slandering her. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:21 AM |
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Here & There... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-24-09 10:08 AM |
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Innuendo + no facts = slander |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:01 AM |
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Check This Link... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-24-09 11:38 AM |
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And what am I looking for on this link? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:52 AM |
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And this one: "The Rich Have Stolen the Economy" |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:53 AM |
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She WAS NEVER A PUMA!! I Know For Sure! n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-24-09 11:56 AM |
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Calling someone a PUMA |
AllentownJake |
Oct-24-09 04:37 PM |
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Oct-24-09 10:43 AM |
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Well can't say that's a surprise. |
Lord Helmet |
Oct-24-09 02:55 AM |
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We ALL have thoughts that aren't "acceptable" to our main crowd |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:08 AM |
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who's stopping her? |
Lord Helmet |
Oct-24-09 03:10 AM |
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What duplicity? I didn't support Obama in the primary. Obviously you have a problem with that. |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 03:36 AM |
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I supported Edwards in the primary; he was the only one speaking anti-corporate language |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:37 AM |
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Clearly, you are trying to stop her. You've done everything but call for a pizza. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:35 AM |
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There are no posts I would take back. I wrote what I felt. So they are on the web? |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 03:32 AM |
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You don't need to defend yourself, saracat. These folks seem to have a vendetta for no reason |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:39 AM |
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Yo, Lord Helmet. Is DU the only place you post? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:24 AM |
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"humerous" |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 07:33 AM |
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Thanks For The Spellcheck... |
JimGinPA |
Oct-24-09 08:33 AM |
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It's true. |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 09:33 AM |
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Oct-24-09 09:40 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-24-09 10:01 AM |
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I don't see how that's incriminating in the slightest bit. |
Forkboy |
Oct-24-09 10:10 AM |
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The Primary is over. We all elected Obama. Saracat is a loyal DUer and |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:19 AM |
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I love the Opt Out. |
David Zephyr |
Oct-23-09 11:00 PM |
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Politically, maybe, but some people will still die from a lack of health insurance |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:43 AM |
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how would - some people still die |
paulk |
Oct-24-09 10:28 AM |
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And if there is no bill then even more people will still die. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-24-09 04:30 PM |
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Up is down. |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 07:04 PM |
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No, methinks you are the one needing a logic lesson. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-24-09 07:30 PM |
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Us blue states could use the medical tourism... and new residents... |
boppers |
Oct-24-09 12:13 AM |
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Case in point. |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 07:38 AM |
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Hatred or contempt for a state is not the same as hatred or contempt of a person. |
boppers |
Oct-24-09 02:48 PM |
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Yes thank you for posting out the Grand Elm Tree and this poster |
Politics_Guy25 |
Oct-24-09 01:26 AM |
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Ad hominem |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 01:51 AM |
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Oct-24-09 01:56 AM |
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I just don't think that invalidates the argument at hand |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 01:59 AM |
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I understand, and agree |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 02:10 AM |
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Well, people should keep in perspective... |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 02:23 AM |
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There's a lot of branding and |
cornermouse |
Oct-24-09 07:29 AM |
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+1 |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:46 AM |
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Also understand that |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 01:53 AM |
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You don't know that. If Obama's people had come out with a strong single payer plan |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:49 AM |
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When have I ever denied my primary opinion? Once again you infer that |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 01:57 AM |
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Maybe the "red states" |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 02:06 AM |
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Funny how you want to extract vengeance on anyone who doesn't agree with you |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 02:11 AM |
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Elections have consequences. |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 02:13 AM |
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So, the Democrats punish their own for supporting them? |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 02:21 AM |
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I agree with 99.9% of that. |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 03:05 AM |
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And I agree with this post.one of my major complaints about rahm Emmanuel is the courting of folks |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 03:25 AM |
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I still believe |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 03:55 AM |
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I think mine does as well, and perhaps I am overzealous in my |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:00 AM |
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I don't think a person |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:08 AM |
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Well, some don't think I have the right to be. Health care was always |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:11 AM |
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I'm damn glad you are. n/t |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:20 AM |
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Delete dupe |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:31 AM |
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Thanks for doing the big thing and making a good debate... |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:31 AM |
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Upon further review, |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:05 AM |
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I happily accept your apology, and I am honored to have you on our side as well! |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:15 AM |
#94 |
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Debate without resorting to petty name-calling, |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:22 AM |
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You can delete if it isn't too late! I sometimes have to do that! LOL! |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:33 AM |
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Sorry, |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:37 AM |
#101 |
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Actually I have got to say, alerting on yourself is pretty funny! |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:41 AM |
#103 |
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I wasn't sure either! n/t |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 05:11 AM |
#108 |
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I don't think any Americans should be "forced to suffer" |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 02:27 AM |
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No fault of their own? |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 02:50 AM |
#68 |
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While their choices may be detrimental, they are but products of their environments |
Oregone |
Oct-24-09 02:53 AM |
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Policy doesn't work as punishment... |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:21 AM |
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Why would you discount someone's opinion because they backed another primary candidate? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:45 AM |
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Grand Elm Tree??? Boy Oh Boy -- Some Of Us Truly Believed In What |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-24-09 12:26 PM |
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I will take a bill with a PO and an opt out over a bill without a PO. |
msallied |
Oct-24-09 01:32 AM |
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what do you want , saracat? a good health plan... |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 03:34 AM |
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What concerns me is... |
MonteLukast |
Oct-24-09 03:38 AM |
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I do understand the distrust as we've been marinated in it... |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 03:49 AM |
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i want the democratic party and the president to man up and get us a public heath care plan |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 03:43 AM |
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I want what you want. |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 04:01 AM |
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Because he is compromising when there isn't a necessity for it. |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:09 AM |
#92 |
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glass half empty or half full |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 04:25 AM |
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If your gonna challenge, challenge ALL the way. There is a bit of protection |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:38 AM |
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I don't see Obama kissing up to Pharma or Insurance... |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 04:53 AM |
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I hope you are correct. The closed door meeting with Big Pharms did little to inspire hope in me. |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:56 AM |
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but...maybe he could have said: |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 05:58 AM |
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And as for what he is, we have no idea as yet.Perhaps when we have a real bill |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:45 AM |
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half empty |
Whisp |
Oct-24-09 06:21 AM |
#110 |
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Once again we agree! |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:06 AM |
#90 |
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Hey, it happens! LOL! |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:18 AM |
#95 |
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Thanks for helping me boost my post count. |
Moses2SandyKoufax |
Oct-24-09 04:23 AM |
#98 |
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Thanks in part to you, I may hit 22,000 soon! But I have been here awhile |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 04:48 AM |
#105 |
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That will work, I have been here since before |
Autumn |
Oct-24-09 08:10 AM |
#116 |
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Saracat, I was wondering the same thing, especially considering Matt Taibbi's article |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 09:27 AM |
#124 |
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"Public Option Likely to Be Managed by Private Insurance Company" |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 11:08 AM |
#141 |
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Actually, letting the people all ready equipped manage it means it gets off the ground faster. |
phleshdef |
Oct-24-09 11:57 AM |
#148 |
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Same logic behind putting Blackwater in charge of wars and Wackenhut in charge of prisons |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 12:01 PM |
#151 |
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Not the same logic at all. Its the difference between regulated and unregulated. |
phleshdef |
Oct-24-09 12:03 PM |
#152 |
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And you think in our current climate these private companies will be regulated? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-24-09 12:09 PM |
#153 |
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just because you live in a Red State, you oppose our best chance at a PO? |
Aramchek |
Oct-24-09 01:17 PM |
#156 |
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Just because you live in a Blue State, you find it morally acceptable to deny millions |
saracat |
Oct-24-09 02:02 PM |
#158 |
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I find it morally unacceptable for there to be no bill. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-24-09 04:35 PM |
#164 |
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Opt-Out is brilliant |
Odin2005 |
Oct-24-09 04:23 PM |
#162 |
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saracat, I thought this exact same thing. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Oct-24-09 07:33 PM |
#168 |
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