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Maybe the" Trigger" plan rumour is being floated so that we will be grateful for the crap OPT OUT
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when they present it? That way they can say "see? We got a public Option, a robust Public Option" "Okay, maybe it isn't for everyone and tough if your state opts out but hey, its "better than nothing", which is all Democrats seem capable of!
Why is it the GOP never bent over ass backwards to get precisley what they want? Why do we settle? Or are we? Is this what the Democrats actually want? ??????????? Because with control of both houses, as well as the WH we "should" be able to do better, unless we don't want to.
Sen, Schumer said the Democratic Senate worked as a"team" and would give the President "whatever HCR BIll he wanted". Maybe no one wants real HCR after all.
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  - Maybe the" Trigger" plan rumour is being floated so that we will be grateful for the crap OPT OUT saracat  Oct-23-09 07:49 PM   #0 
  - Good point -- I hate the "opt out" but prefer it to a trigger...So I'm rooting for opt-out  Armstead   Oct-23-09 07:50 PM   #1 
  - I am not rooting for either of them. I want a plan that covers everyone.  saracat   Oct-23-09 07:52 PM   #2 
     - Well yeah...me too....But making people like me prefer a bad plan reinforces your point  Armstead   Oct-23-09 07:55 PM   #5 
  - Many DUers are cheering for the opt out.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-23-09 07:53 PM   #3 
  - Thats because an opt out transforms this bill beyond health reform, into a political game  Oregone   Oct-23-09 07:56 PM   #6 
  - Exactly.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-23-09 08:11 PM   #13 
  - I think the Rethugs will have a difficult time deciding to opt-out,  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:48 PM   #21 
  - You're right......  Clio the Leo   Oct-23-09 08:23 PM   #16 
  - Better than all of us going through hell  WyLoochka   Oct-24-09 01:07 PM   #155 
  - you always avoid the fact that all states will have to participate for the first few years  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:20 PM   #157 
  - Sometimes you have to play political games to acheive progress.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:20 PM   #161 
  - I think if we have an "opt out" it will be much harder for the Rethugs  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:46 PM   #19 
  - "I think" no one has a crystal ball  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:04 PM   #26 
  - Or they'll do like Bobby Jindal-- grandstand about opting out  Overseas   Oct-24-09 10:59 AM   #139 
  - I think its a wonderful idea  niceypoo   Oct-24-09 11:16 AM   #142 
  - Look. I do not want a piece of shit  Oregone   Oct-23-09 07:55 PM   #4 
  - Opt out is brilliant  ProSense   Oct-23-09 07:57 PM   #7 
  - Mandate a purchase but don't guarantee it'll affordable and responsible for all  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:02 PM   #8 
  - "Anthony Weiner (Democrat NY's 9th) for President 2012! "  ProSense   Oct-23-09 08:08 PM   #12 
     - You're a tad off topic.  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:14 PM   #15 
  - Right. How many states have opted-out of Medicaid? None, because there'd  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 08:49 PM   #22 
  - Then its a moot concession  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:00 PM   #24 
  - If it's included, it will be because it WILL make a difference on the outcome  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 09:21 PM   #31 
     - If it will make a difference on the outcome, it will likely make a difference on the implementation  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:26 PM   #33 
        - I disagree, since the interests of Federal and State politicians are not the same. nt  pnwmom   Oct-23-09 09:51 PM   #35 
  - No, because it's a legal entitlement  sandnsea   Oct-23-09 09:20 PM   #30 
  - We finally agree. It is brilliant. And it will give the GOP little space to argue.  David Zephyr   Oct-23-09 11:03 PM   #45 
  - I think the only way we get something remotely worthwhile is if it has a trigger or opt out  Clarkansas   Oct-23-09 08:02 PM   #9 
  - A Robust Public Option in some states that Works as it Should would be GREAT.  NYC_SKP   Oct-23-09 08:05 PM   #10 
  - I have it on good authority from an anonymous source that Trigger is dead  DJ13   Oct-23-09 08:05 PM   #11 
  - Christ. Some people want Opt-Out another crew want Trigger...for cripes sake. n/t  vaberella   Oct-23-09 08:12 PM   #14 
  - If they pass Opt-out, Big Insurance pays some $$ to states, they all opt out  havocmom   Oct-23-09 08:37 PM   #17 
  - "and the public is still at their mercy"  Oregone   Oct-23-09 08:44 PM   #18 
  - either way, you'll be more bitter then than you are now!  dionysus   Oct-23-09 08:46 PM   #20 
  - +1  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:11 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, some states have it and some states don't.  Life Long Dem   Oct-23-09 08:57 PM   #23 
  - And all states will have the mandates  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:01 PM   #25 
     - The bill isnt written yet, you know that how? n/t  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:11 PM   #29 
        - The mandates seem to be the only thing that is consistently not up for debate in Congress  Oregone   Oct-23-09 09:23 PM   #32 
           - You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option?  yourguide   Oct-23-09 09:56 PM   #36 
              - Reworded: "You really think they'd put a mandate in w/o a public option..." available universally?  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:02 PM   #38 
                 - 1 bill of the 5 had a mandate w/o a public option...  yourguide   Oct-23-09 10:24 PM   #39 
                    - All had mandates without *universally available* public options  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:30 PM   #40 
                       - I havent read each of the bills  yourguide   Oct-23-09 10:46 PM   #41 
                          - "If we get a PO I plan to opt out of my employer plan and opt in to the PO"  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:51 PM   #42 
                          - Another example:  Oregone   Oct-23-09 10:59 PM   #43 
                          - Better illustration:  Oregone   Oct-23-09 11:14 PM   #46 
                          - Good luck on that. It's my understanding  Autumn   Oct-24-09 07:57 AM   #115 
  - I don't like this idea. I live in a red state. I have good insurance my worry  southernyankeebelle   Oct-23-09 09:10 PM   #27 
  - Can you move?  boppers   Oct-24-09 12:15 AM   #48 
  - Only if they have money, which is kind of the way healthcare is now!  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #53 
     - How much money?  boppers   Oct-24-09 02:52 PM   #160 
  - Red State Here Too! Florida! Wonder How This Will Be Helpful To  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 11:54 AM   #146 
  - oh for gawds sake. No state is going to opt out, at least not for long. It's a bone with no meat.  Hamlette   Oct-23-09 09:49 PM   #34 
  - I Find It Humerous That The OP Posts Here...  JimGinPA   Oct-23-09 09:58 PM   #37 
  - .  NYC_SKP   Oct-24-09 12:15 AM   #49 
  - I have never been a PUMA.  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:53 AM   #54 
  - So You Say...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 02:09 AM   #60 
  - It is a wonderful board with varied opinions and people aren't allowed to attack one another.  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:13 AM   #64 
  - Funny... I thought most of you supported...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:23 AM   #76 
  - That board is not a PUMA board.  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:00 AM   #71 
  - This Sig Line From A Poster There Speaks Volumes...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 08:20 AM   #117 
     - No one on that board has ever said they wanted a republican  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 08:55 AM   #119 
     - The board is actually kind of interesting, now that you've given me a link  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:58 AM   #149 
     - delete dupe  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:58 AM   #150 
  - Puma = republican.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:36 AM   #113 
  - Amen.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:22 AM   #122 
  - Saracat does not make vile posts here. You're slandering her.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:21 AM   #121 
  - Here & There...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 10:08 AM   #135 
     - Innuendo + no facts = slander  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:01 AM   #140 
        - Check This Link...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 11:38 AM   #143 
           - And what am I looking for on this link?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:52 AM   #144 
              - And this one: "The Rich Have Stolen the Economy"  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:53 AM   #145 
  - She WAS NEVER A PUMA!! I Know For Sure! n/t  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 11:56 AM   #147 
  - Calling someone a PUMA  AllentownJake   Oct-24-09 04:37 PM   #165 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 10:43 AM   #138 
  - Well can't say that's a surprise.  Lord Helmet   Oct-24-09 02:55 AM   #70 
  - We ALL have thoughts that aren't "acceptable" to our main crowd  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:08 AM   #73 
  - who's stopping her?  Lord Helmet   Oct-24-09 03:10 AM   #74 
     - What duplicity? I didn't support Obama in the primary. Obviously you have a problem with that.  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:36 AM   #82 
     - I supported Edwards in the primary; he was the only one speaking anti-corporate language  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:37 AM   #127 
     - Clearly, you are trying to stop her. You've done everything but call for a pizza.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:35 AM   #126 
  - There are no posts I would take back. I wrote what I felt. So they are on the web?  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:32 AM   #80 
  - You don't need to defend yourself, saracat. These folks seem to have a vendetta for no reason  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:39 AM   #128 
  - Yo, Lord Helmet. Is DU the only place you post?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:24 AM   #123 
  - "humerous"  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:33 AM   #112 
  - Thanks For The Spellcheck...  JimGinPA   Oct-24-09 08:33 AM   #118 
     - It's true.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 09:33 AM   #125 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 09:40 AM   #129 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-24-09 10:01 AM   #134 
     - I don't see how that's incriminating in the slightest bit.  Forkboy   Oct-24-09 10:10 AM   #136 
  - The Primary is over. We all elected Obama. Saracat is a loyal DUer and  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:19 AM   #120 
  - I love the Opt Out.  David Zephyr   Oct-23-09 11:00 PM   #44 
  - Politically, maybe, but some people will still die from a lack of health insurance  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:43 AM   #130 
     - how would - some people still die  paulk   Oct-24-09 10:28 AM   #137 
     - And if there is no bill then even more people will still die.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:30 PM   #163 
        - Up is down.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:04 PM   #166 
           - No, methinks you are the one needing a logic lesson.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 07:30 PM   #167 
  - Us blue states could use the medical tourism... and new residents...  boppers   Oct-24-09 12:13 AM   #47 
  - Case in point.  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:38 AM   #114 
     - Hatred or contempt for a state is not the same as hatred or contempt of a person.  boppers   Oct-24-09 02:48 PM   #159 
  - Yes thank you for posting out the Grand Elm Tree and this poster  Politics_Guy25   Oct-24-09 01:26 AM   #50 
  - Ad hominem  Oregone   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 01:56 AM   #56 
     - I just don't think that invalidates the argument at hand  Oregone   Oct-24-09 01:59 AM   #58 
        - I understand, and agree  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:10 AM   #61 
           - Well, people should keep in perspective...  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:23 AM   #66 
              - There's a lot of branding and  cornermouse   Oct-24-09 07:29 AM   #111 
                 - +1  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:46 AM   #132 
  - Also understand that  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 01:53 AM   #55 
  - You don't know that. If Obama's people had come out with a strong single payer plan  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:49 AM   #133 
  - When have I ever denied my primary opinion? Once again you infer that  saracat   Oct-24-09 01:57 AM   #57 
  - Maybe the "red states"  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:06 AM   #59 
     - Funny how you want to extract vengeance on anyone who doesn't agree with you  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:11 AM   #62 
     - Elections have consequences.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:13 AM   #63 
        - So, the Democrats punish their own for supporting them?  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:21 AM   #65 
           - I agree with 99.9% of that.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 03:05 AM   #72 
              - And I agree with this post.one of my major complaints about rahm Emmanuel is the courting of folks  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:25 AM   #77 
              - I still believe  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 03:55 AM   #86 
                 - I think mine does as well, and perhaps I am overzealous in my  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:00 AM   #87 
                    - I don't think a person  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:08 AM   #91 
                       - Well, some don't think I have the right to be. Health care was always  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:11 AM   #93 
                          - I'm damn glad you are. n/t  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:20 AM   #96 
              - Delete dupe  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:31 AM   #78 
              - Thanks for doing the big thing and making a good debate...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:31 AM   #79 
                 - Upon further review,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:05 AM   #89 
                    - I happily accept your apology, and I am honored to have you on our side as well!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:15 AM   #94 
                       - Debate without resorting to petty name-calling,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:22 AM   #97 
                          - You can delete if it isn't too late! I sometimes have to do that! LOL!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:33 AM   #100 
                             - Sorry,  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:37 AM   #101 
                                - Actually I have got to say, alerting on yourself is pretty funny!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:41 AM   #103 
                                   - I wasn't sure either! n/t  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 05:11 AM   #108 
     - I don't think any Americans should be "forced to suffer"  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:27 AM   #67 
        - No fault of their own?  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 02:50 AM   #68 
           - While their choices may be detrimental, they are but products of their environments  Oregone   Oct-24-09 02:53 AM   #69 
              - Policy doesn't work as punishment...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:21 AM   #75 
  - Why would you discount someone's opinion because they backed another primary candidate?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:45 AM   #131 
  - Grand Elm Tree??? Boy Oh Boy -- Some Of Us Truly Believed In What  ChiciB1   Oct-24-09 12:26 PM   #154 
  - I will take a bill with a PO and an opt out over a bill without a PO.  msallied   Oct-24-09 01:32 AM   #51 
  - what do you want , saracat? a good health plan...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 03:34 AM   #81 
  - What concerns me is...  MonteLukast   Oct-24-09 03:38 AM   #83 
  - I do understand the distrust as we've been marinated in it...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 03:49 AM   #85 
  - i want the democratic party and the president to man up and get us a public heath care plan  saracat   Oct-24-09 03:43 AM   #84 
     - I want what you want.  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:01 AM   #88 
     - Because he is compromising when there isn't a necessity for it.  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:09 AM   #92 
        - glass half empty or half full  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:25 AM   #99 
           - If your gonna challenge, challenge ALL the way. There is a bit of protection  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:38 AM   #102 
           - I don't see Obama kissing up to Pharma or Insurance...  Whisp   Oct-24-09 04:53 AM   #106 
              - I hope you are correct. The closed door meeting with Big Pharms did little to inspire hope in me.  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:56 AM   #107 
                 - but...maybe he could have said:  Whisp   Oct-24-09 05:58 AM   #109 
           - And as for what he is, we have no idea as yet.Perhaps when we have a real bill  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:45 AM   #104 
              - half empty  Whisp   Oct-24-09 06:21 AM   #110 
     - Once again we agree!  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:06 AM   #90 
        - Hey, it happens! LOL!  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:18 AM   #95 
           - Thanks for helping me boost my post count.  Moses2SandyKoufax   Oct-24-09 04:23 AM   #98 
              - Thanks in part to you, I may hit 22,000 soon! But I have been here awhile  saracat   Oct-24-09 04:48 AM   #105 
              - That will work, I have been here since before  Autumn   Oct-24-09 08:10 AM   #116 
  - Saracat, I was wondering the same thing, especially considering Matt Taibbi's article  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 09:27 AM   #124 
  - "Public Option Likely to Be Managed by Private Insurance Company"  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 11:08 AM   #141 
  - Actually, letting the people all ready equipped manage it means it gets off the ground faster.  phleshdef   Oct-24-09 11:57 AM   #148 
     - Same logic behind putting Blackwater in charge of wars and Wackenhut in charge of prisons  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 12:01 PM   #151 
        - Not the same logic at all. Its the difference between regulated and unregulated.  phleshdef   Oct-24-09 12:03 PM   #152 
           - And you think in our current climate these private companies will be regulated?  Nikki Stone1   Oct-24-09 12:09 PM   #153 
  - just because you live in a Red State, you oppose our best chance at a PO?  Aramchek   Oct-24-09 01:17 PM   #156 
  - Just because you live in a Blue State, you find it morally acceptable to deny millions  saracat   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #158 
     - I find it morally unacceptable for there to be no bill.  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:35 PM   #164 
  - Opt-Out is brilliant  Odin2005   Oct-24-09 04:23 PM   #162 
  - saracat, I thought this exact same thing.  jesus_of_suburbia   Oct-24-09 07:33 PM   #168 
 

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