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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 02:36 PM
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43. At some point if it ever happens it will be because we collectively demand it.
It's as simple as that. I was hoping obama would be the type of leader who understood that power comes from us not corporations in a real democracy and use it to force change.
That wasn't the case. We are left on the sidelines with confusing, impossibly complicated policies that change daily.
Convince folks their perpetual victims of corporate control and they act like it.

We have no farther right to go. How can you negotiate when you already are conservatives as a result of 40 years of bipartisanship and concessions. We will get a conservative bill because we will settle for a conservative bill.

And we will continue to make the same conservative mistakes that will hurt/punish the same lower classes of people.

Until we learn.
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  -House Dems to rebrand the Public Option as Medicare Part E denem  Oct-21-09 10:46 AM   #0 
  - Wow Dennis Kucinich talking points gaining ground?  mikelgb   Oct-21-09 10:51 AM   #1 
  - Remember when he said the public option was doomed?  ProSense   Oct-21-09 10:55 AM   #2 
  - Yes, and I'm sure he brought more  Cha   Oct-21-09 12:26 PM   #27 
  - Not really from what I know. But it does sound like the words of Dean on this. Link below:  vaberella   Oct-21-09 04:37 PM   #49 
  - Kucincih 2004 - calling for "a new Medicare, Part E (for Everyone)  slipslidingaway   Oct-21-09 04:50 PM   #51 
  - K&R  tk2kewl   Oct-21-09 10:55 AM   #3 
  - that's so smart.  mopinko   Oct-21-09 10:58 AM   #4 
  - Thom Hartmann must be having a chuckle on this one...heard this idea on his show months ago  NRaleighLiberal   Oct-21-09 11:09 AM   #5 
  - That term has been around a while  DrToast   Oct-21-09 11:33 AM   #17 
     - He has been pushing it for a while.  Lochloosa   Oct-21-09 01:01 PM   #30 
  - Who's pulling the plug on Grandma now? heh.  denem   Oct-21-09 11:12 AM   #6 
  - *Snicker* The Boom Comes Down  Beetwasher   Oct-21-09 11:13 AM   #7 
  - Didn't I say this a month ago?  zulchzulu   Oct-21-09 11:14 AM   #8 
  - Yes you did, I remember reading it. Do you work for the WH? :-)  uponit7771   Oct-21-09 01:18 PM   #32 
  - Brilliant stroke !!!!  TheCoxwain   Oct-21-09 11:14 AM   #9 
  - That's great  high density   Oct-21-09 11:17 AM   #10 
  - They are lying.  ipaint   Oct-21-09 11:17 AM   #11 
  - As I said it "does not alter the limitations of the Public Option"  denem   Oct-21-09 11:19 AM   #12 
  - No  ProSense   Oct-21-09 11:20 AM   #13 
  - Another lie  ipaint   Oct-21-09 11:53 AM   #21 
     - Medicare rates + 5% cuts throats all by itself.  denem   Oct-21-09 11:56 AM   #23 
     - " Medicare was open from day one to all of the elderly...the population it was designed for."  ProSense   Oct-21-09 12:04 PM   #24 
     - I am referring to how many people were included in the program on day one  ipaint   Oct-21-09 12:28 PM   #28 
        - Your claim is nonsensical. Medicare was a limited program no matter how you slice it.  ProSense   Oct-21-09 01:27 PM   #33 
           - That's because it was designed for 19 million americans and unless you can show  ipaint   Oct-21-09 01:43 PM   #36 
              - "the help bill leaves 34 million uninsured. " What?  ProSense   Oct-21-09 03:01 PM   #44 
                 - cbo estimate of uninsured in 2019 with HELP bill 34 million.  ipaint   Oct-21-09 03:55 PM   #46 
     - +1 for the TRUTH.  bvar22   Oct-21-09 12:41 PM   #29 
     - Excellent points! n/t  slipslidingaway   Oct-21-09 05:31 PM   #56 
     - thank you for making these critically important points,  inna   Oct-21-09 06:49 PM   #58 
     - The best post of the day.......+1  Garam_Masala   Oct-21-09 11:35 PM   #72 
  - I agree.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-21-09 11:28 AM   #15 
  - The purpose of the rebranding is to get the bill through Congress.  denem   Oct-21-09 11:32 AM   #16 
     - That's what they want you to think.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-21-09 11:42 AM   #19 
        - I already said "How long until the electorate demands that Medicare Part E" is available to all?  denem   Oct-21-09 11:51 AM   #20 
           - Polls going back to the 80's have suggested that the public wants...  slipslidingaway   Oct-21-09 04:59 PM   #55 
  - Get the damn program established, thats the hard part, make it better later.  phleshdef   Oct-21-09 11:54 AM   #22 
  - I agree, it was a bad idea when Olbermann suggested it and a ...  slipslidingaway   Oct-21-09 04:54 PM   #52 
     - They realize that "Morning in America" (Reagan's slogan) should have been  change_notfinetuning   Oct-21-09 08:38 PM   #66 
        - Yes, mourning for the 122 people who died today while they...  slipslidingaway   Oct-21-09 09:39 PM   #68 
  - Hah. Rebranding it as Medicare?  Arkana   Oct-21-09 11:24 AM   #14 
  - Keep your guberment hands off my Pink Bagel Electric Boogaloo!  Engineer4Obama   Oct-21-09 04:55 PM   #54 
  - Someone needs to tell Nancy that the President hates PO.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 11:35 AM   #18 
  - or she might be willing to fight him  Enrique   Oct-21-09 01:31 PM   #34 
     - We're like babies playing peekaboo sometimes aren't we?  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 01:40 PM   #35 
        - Your right.  ipaint   Oct-21-09 01:48 PM   #37 
        - But even the youngest baby knows.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 02:22 PM   #40 
           - At some point if it ever happens it will be because we collectively demand it.  ipaint   Oct-21-09 02:36 PM   #43 
           - So you think the guy who was elected using $50 campaign donations....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 04:54 PM   #53 
              - The guy who was elected was $upported by goldman sachs.  ipaint   Oct-21-09 07:45 PM   #60 
                 - Well, I dont work for Goldman Sachs.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 07:51 PM   #62 
                    - By looking at the different option's in other countries and pricing them  ipaint   Oct-21-09 09:31 PM   #67 
                       - Yes, I was asking about the community outreach.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 11:23 PM   #70 
           - I gave a practical application on another thread to you.  riderinthestorm   Oct-21-09 08:28 PM   #65 
              - Good grief....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 11:25 PM   #71 
        - I hope Obama is committed to the PO behind the scenes  Enrique   Oct-21-09 02:15 PM   #38 
           - Obama is avoiding the specter of 'HillaryCare'  denem   Oct-21-09 02:19 PM   #39 
           - Axelrod seems to think so.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-21-09 02:30 PM   #42 
  - They don't need to re-brand anything. The public option is already popular among the American public  Liberal_Stalwart71   Oct-21-09 12:20 PM   #25 
  - "Medicare won't pull the plug on granny" - particularly popular amongst LIV  denem   Oct-21-09 12:22 PM   #26 
  - Heh. Thom Hartmann's gonna have a field day with this. nt  riderinthestorm   Oct-21-09 01:06 PM   #31 
  - He's been advocating Medicare part E for a long time.  lunatica   Oct-21-09 02:22 PM   #41 
  - very good strategy. n/t  emulatorloo   Oct-21-09 03:30 PM   #45 
  - Part E = for everyone.  grantcart   Oct-21-09 04:12 PM   #47 
  - Link? n/t  ipaint   Oct-21-09 07:46 PM   #61 
     - Link  denem   Oct-21-09 07:51 PM   #63 
  - Gosh, it took 'em long enough - but it's a good thing! nt  polichick   Oct-21-09 04:14 PM   #48 
  - I called my Rep's office and chatted to an aide about it; also one Sen.'s aide...  Hekate   Oct-21-09 04:43 PM   #50 
  - Finally someone has woke up the truth seekers! I will believe it when it passes but WOW!  1776Forever   Oct-21-09 05:56 PM   #57 
  - Excellent strategy.  JNelson6563   Oct-21-09 07:03 PM   #59 
  - I don't give a flying fuck what they call it--just let us have it in 2010  eridani   Oct-21-09 08:10 PM   #64 
  - Kucinich said this was how to do it and Harman is on the radio saying this is how to do it.  David Zephyr   Oct-21-09 09:42 PM   #69 

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