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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:59 PM
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29. As someone pointed out on the other thread, opting out of the public option would be as popular as
opting out of the stimulous package.
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  -A state opt-out PO sounds too good to be true. What am I missing? Kurt_and_Hunter  Oct-08-09 04:23 PM   #0 
  - Getting attacked for defending it. I was. Of course, we all DESERVE  valerief   Oct-08-09 04:24 PM   #1 
  - And, Dean said he would vote for it if he were  Cha   Oct-08-09 09:52 PM   #61 
  - "What am I missing?" - Nothing.  BlooInBloo   Oct-08-09 04:25 PM   #2 
  - lollercaust?  mdmc   Oct-08-09 04:42 PM   #8 
  - A very common internet-ism, meaning "something that is really really funny"...  BlooInBloo   Oct-08-09 04:53 PM   #21 
     - thank you kindly  mdmc   Oct-08-09 05:10 PM   #34 
  - Lollercaust...  cliffordu   Oct-08-09 04:47 PM   #15 
     - Aw shit - that's old - had I realized it wasn't well-known here, I woulda used it earlier...  BlooInBloo   Oct-08-09 04:49 PM   #16 
        - lollapallooza???  cliffordu   Oct-08-09 07:51 PM   #52 
           - Exactly like that!  BlooInBloo   Oct-08-09 09:52 PM   #60 
  - Plenty of us are for it. nt  SPedigrees   Oct-08-09 04:28 PM   #3 
  - Don't give it away before forcing people to vote against it  CreekDog   Oct-08-09 04:30 PM   #4 
  - It's very clever in that if Repubs dont vote it literally says they are NOT for the people in anyway  quantass   Oct-08-09 04:34 PM   #5 
  - It allows them  hileeopnyn8d   Oct-08-09 04:37 PM   #6 
  - It's DU.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-08-09 04:39 PM   #7 
  - It's the yogurt, dammit. That ruins The Whole Thing!!!! Why can't you SEE that????  DevonRex   Oct-08-09 04:45 PM   #13 
  - Not to mention  ellie   Oct-08-09 04:54 PM   #23 
  - DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE ENVIRONMENT!  Engineer4Obama   Oct-08-09 04:54 PM   #25 
  - If someone represented a state/district where "Obamacare" was unpopular.....  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 04:43 PM   #9 
  - Yup, yup. That is exactly what I was thinking. n/t  vaberella   Oct-08-09 06:00 PM   #40 
  - (dupage) NT  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 04:43 PM   #10 
  - I am guessing you don't live a a red state.My state, which isn't  saracat   Oct-08-09 04:44 PM   #11 
  - But they would get the mandate either way  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-08-09 04:52 PM   #19 
  - As someone pointed out on the other thread, opting out of the public option would be as popular as  SPedigrees   Oct-08-09 04:59 PM   #29 
     - Opting out of the Stimulus WAS popular in my state.  saracat   Oct-08-09 05:03 PM   #31 
        - But not popular enough  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-08-09 05:04 PM   #32 
        - Really? What would you know? The lack of stimulus fund just about destroyed  saracat   Oct-08-09 05:13 PM   #35 
        - But ultimately, did any of the states refuse it?  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 06:14 PM   #41 
  - You do have the option to move. If my state turned red and the only affordable  SPedigrees   Oct-08-09 04:53 PM   #22 
  - I used to live in NE as well but on what money could I move back?  saracat   Oct-08-09 04:59 PM   #30 
     - If you are retirement age then you will soon have medicare.  SPedigrees   Oct-08-09 10:56 PM   #63 
  - I live  plcdude   Oct-09-09 11:40 AM   #66 
  - Looks like a win to me.  Warren Stupidity   Oct-08-09 04:44 PM   #12 
  - Because they know what the red states will really do. Vote the Dems completely out.  saracat   Oct-08-09 04:46 PM   #14 
     - See here:  Warren Stupidity   Oct-08-09 04:51 PM   #17 
        - I see no reason to believe he is smarter than I am nor to I believe my fears are "unfounded"  saracat   Oct-08-09 05:09 PM   #33 
        - Nate Silver!!!! purrrr! NT  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 06:17 PM   #42 
  - I'd sure hate to live in Texas and need affordable health care.  Vinca   Oct-08-09 04:52 PM   #18 
  - Why do we feel a need to do this opt-out?  madfloridian   Oct-08-09 04:52 PM   #20 
  - I am not entirely convinced we will get a robust PO  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-08-09 04:55 PM   #26 
  - Why can't we get a public option? How much of a majority do we need?  madfloridian   Oct-08-09 06:18 PM   #43 
     - I am arguing from an given assumption that a compromise is needed  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-08-09 06:22 PM   #45 
  - How much does "stand for something" cost?  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 06:28 PM   #46 
     - Oh, wow. Now we don't do "rhetorical idealism"?  madfloridian   Oct-08-09 06:29 PM   #47 
     - We're writing a budget bill, not a stump speech....  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 06:35 PM   #49 
     - really? Well the so called "practical language isn't just language. It is killing people.  saracat   Oct-08-09 08:37 PM   #54 
  - Depends if you care about politics or about the people?  Mass   Oct-08-09 04:54 PM   #24 
  - You are assuming any state would opt out  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-08-09 04:58 PM   #28 
  - Mine would.  saracat   Oct-08-09 08:38 PM   #55 
  - I assume many Republican dominated states would - for the same reason that  karynnj   Oct-09-09 01:37 PM   #72 
  - And as someone who lives in TN.........  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 06:31 PM   #48 
  - It seems to me to be the first compromise that doesn't involve  Engineer4Obama   Oct-08-09 04:55 PM   #27 
  - the right leaners are now given cover. They did not vote for a public option  dave29   Oct-08-09 05:38 PM   #36 
  - The fact that its an opt-out is huge  Engineer4Obama   Oct-08-09 05:39 PM   #37 
     - agreed, and as I read from Nate Silver  dave29   Oct-08-09 05:41 PM   #38 
  - You made valid points and I think I would agree to this. The stimilus package is a perfect example.  vaberella   Oct-08-09 05:58 PM   #39 
  - You know what they say about too good to be true  CreekDog   Oct-08-09 06:21 PM   #44 
  - I don't like it.  Kermitt Gribble   Oct-08-09 06:35 PM   #50 
  - It took my backwards-ass state decades to have a MLK day  thelordofhell   Oct-08-09 07:18 PM   #51 
  - Thank you.And folks on this board don't believe us. This is my argument!  saracat   Oct-08-09 08:40 PM   #58 
     - Your argument is that AZ didn't opt out of the stimulus?  Alexander   Oct-09-09 12:14 PM   #67 
  - Considering it was written by the DLC asshats Carper and Schumer  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-08-09 08:08 PM   #53 
  - just wondering...  thatsrightimirish   Oct-08-09 08:40 PM   #56 
  - no one knows yet. NT  Clio the Leo   Oct-08-09 10:22 PM   #62 
  - And they can't claim it is being forced upon them  Kingofalldems   Oct-08-09 08:40 PM   #57 
  - However, by opting out, the states  Doctor_J   Oct-08-09 08:49 PM   #59 
  - It eviscerates the public option altogether & is useless. Drs already don't accept Medicaid, for ex  blueworld   Oct-09-09 11:05 AM   #64 
  - Your analysis is predicated on a fallacy  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-09-09 11:34 AM   #65 
     - What are your ample reasons? Mine is that I live in red state. n/t  blueworld   Oct-09-09 12:54 PM   #68 
        - It would be perceived as simple malice against the people of the state.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-09-09 01:09 PM   #70 
  - Constituents will force red states to take PO plan, just like they are begging for stimulus money  Pisces   Oct-09-09 12:56 PM   #69 
  - It's brilliant because it offers symbolic and meaningless cover to "moderates".  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-09-09 01:23 PM   #71 

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