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Thu Oct-08-09 04:34 PM
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| 5. It's very clever in that if Repubs dont vote it literally says they are NOT for the people in anyway |
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If the state has a choice to opt out there is no disadvantage of voting to pass this bill. It's ALL advantages. If they sincerely want to work for the people and feel the PO is not good then they opt out of it....and if later on they see it working elsewhere they opt back in....It's a win-win situation. However, if sometihng "else" is twisting their arm...like being bought out by special interests..then they will still resist this bill and hence without question they are full of shit. We already knew they were full of shit but haivng this opt-out feature is check-mate.
With such a provision is strongly hope thye are pushing for a "STRONG" public option since there will be an opt-out feature.
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| -A state opt-out PO sounds too good to be true. What am I missing? |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 04:23 PM |
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Getting attacked for defending it. I was. Of course, we all DESERVE |
valerief |
Oct-08-09 04:24 PM |
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And, Dean said he would vote for it if he were |
Cha |
Oct-08-09 09:52 PM |
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"What am I missing?" - Nothing. |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-08-09 04:25 PM |
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lollercaust? |
mdmc |
Oct-08-09 04:42 PM |
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A very common internet-ism, meaning "something that is really really funny"... |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-08-09 04:53 PM |
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thank you kindly |
mdmc |
Oct-08-09 05:10 PM |
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Lollercaust... |
cliffordu |
Oct-08-09 04:47 PM |
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Aw shit - that's old - had I realized it wasn't well-known here, I woulda used it earlier... |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-08-09 04:49 PM |
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lollapallooza??? |
cliffordu |
Oct-08-09 07:51 PM |
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Exactly like that! |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-08-09 09:52 PM |
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Plenty of us are for it. nt |
SPedigrees |
Oct-08-09 04:28 PM |
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Don't give it away before forcing people to vote against it |
CreekDog |
Oct-08-09 04:30 PM |
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It's very clever in that if Repubs dont vote it literally says they are NOT for the people in anyway |
quantass |
Oct-08-09 04:34 PM |
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It allows them |
hileeopnyn8d |
Oct-08-09 04:37 PM |
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It's DU. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Oct-08-09 04:39 PM |
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It's the yogurt, dammit. That ruins The Whole Thing!!!! Why can't you SEE that???? |
DevonRex |
Oct-08-09 04:45 PM |
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Not to mention |
ellie |
Oct-08-09 04:54 PM |
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE ENVIRONMENT! |
Engineer4Obama |
Oct-08-09 04:54 PM |
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If someone represented a state/district where "Obamacare" was unpopular..... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 04:43 PM |
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Yup, yup. That is exactly what I was thinking. n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-08-09 06:00 PM |
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(dupage) NT |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 04:43 PM |
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I am guessing you don't live a a red state.My state, which isn't |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:44 PM |
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But they would get the mandate either way |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 04:52 PM |
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As someone pointed out on the other thread, opting out of the public option would be as popular as |
SPedigrees |
Oct-08-09 04:59 PM |
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Opting out of the Stimulus WAS popular in my state. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 05:03 PM |
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But not popular enough |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 05:04 PM |
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Really? What would you know? The lack of stimulus fund just about destroyed |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 05:13 PM |
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But ultimately, did any of the states refuse it? |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 06:14 PM |
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You do have the option to move. If my state turned red and the only affordable |
SPedigrees |
Oct-08-09 04:53 PM |
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I used to live in NE as well but on what money could I move back? |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:59 PM |
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If you are retirement age then you will soon have medicare. |
SPedigrees |
Oct-08-09 10:56 PM |
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I live |
plcdude |
Oct-09-09 11:40 AM |
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Looks like a win to me. |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-08-09 04:44 PM |
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Because they know what the red states will really do. Vote the Dems completely out. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 04:46 PM |
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See here: |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-08-09 04:51 PM |
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I see no reason to believe he is smarter than I am nor to I believe my fears are "unfounded" |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 05:09 PM |
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Nate Silver!!!! purrrr! NT |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 06:17 PM |
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I'd sure hate to live in Texas and need affordable health care. |
Vinca |
Oct-08-09 04:52 PM |
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Why do we feel a need to do this opt-out? |
madfloridian |
Oct-08-09 04:52 PM |
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I am not entirely convinced we will get a robust PO |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 04:55 PM |
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Why can't we get a public option? How much of a majority do we need? |
madfloridian |
Oct-08-09 06:18 PM |
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I am arguing from an given assumption that a compromise is needed |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 06:22 PM |
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How much does "stand for something" cost? |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 06:28 PM |
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Oh, wow. Now we don't do "rhetorical idealism"? |
madfloridian |
Oct-08-09 06:29 PM |
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We're writing a budget bill, not a stump speech.... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 06:35 PM |
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really? Well the so called "practical language isn't just language. It is killing people. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 08:37 PM |
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Depends if you care about politics or about the people? |
Mass |
Oct-08-09 04:54 PM |
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You are assuming any state would opt out |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-08-09 04:58 PM |
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Mine would. |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 08:38 PM |
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I assume many Republican dominated states would - for the same reason that |
karynnj |
Oct-09-09 01:37 PM |
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And as someone who lives in TN......... |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 06:31 PM |
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It seems to me to be the first compromise that doesn't involve |
Engineer4Obama |
Oct-08-09 04:55 PM |
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the right leaners are now given cover. They did not vote for a public option |
dave29 |
Oct-08-09 05:38 PM |
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The fact that its an opt-out is huge |
Engineer4Obama |
Oct-08-09 05:39 PM |
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agreed, and as I read from Nate Silver |
dave29 |
Oct-08-09 05:41 PM |
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You made valid points and I think I would agree to this. The stimilus package is a perfect example. |
vaberella |
Oct-08-09 05:58 PM |
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You know what they say about too good to be true |
CreekDog |
Oct-08-09 06:21 PM |
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I don't like it. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Oct-08-09 06:35 PM |
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It took my backwards-ass state decades to have a MLK day |
thelordofhell |
Oct-08-09 07:18 PM |
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Thank you.And folks on this board don't believe us. This is my argument! |
saracat |
Oct-08-09 08:40 PM |
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Your argument is that AZ didn't opt out of the stimulus? |
Alexander |
Oct-09-09 12:14 PM |
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Considering it was written by the DLC asshats Carper and Schumer |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-08-09 08:08 PM |
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just wondering... |
thatsrightimirish |
Oct-08-09 08:40 PM |
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no one knows yet. NT |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-08-09 10:22 PM |
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And they can't claim it is being forced upon them |
Kingofalldems |
Oct-08-09 08:40 PM |
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However, by opting out, the states |
Doctor_J |
Oct-08-09 08:49 PM |
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It eviscerates the public option altogether & is useless. Drs already don't accept Medicaid, for ex |
blueworld |
Oct-09-09 11:05 AM |
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Your analysis is predicated on a fallacy |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-09-09 11:34 AM |
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What are your ample reasons? Mine is that I live in red state. n/t |
blueworld |
Oct-09-09 12:54 PM |
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It would be perceived as simple malice against the people of the state. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Oct-09-09 01:09 PM |
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Constituents will force red states to take PO plan, just like they are begging for stimulus money |
Pisces |
Oct-09-09 12:56 PM |
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It's brilliant because it offers symbolic and meaningless cover to "moderates". |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-09-09 01:23 PM |
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