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106. OOPS. I forgot the graphics.

Now can I be in the parade?
I promise not to ask any questions.
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  -Obama "rallying support for a public plan option" now has between 54 and 56 votes ProSense  Oct-05-09 10:30 AM   #0 
  - Good - thanks for posting n/t  emulatorloo   Oct-05-09 10:32 AM   #1 
  - He's coming down the home stretch!  tekisui   Oct-05-09 10:35 AM   #2 
  - Thanks ProSense! Wonder where all the nasty naysayers are?  Phx_Dem   Oct-05-09 10:36 AM   #3 
  - !  graywarrior   Oct-05-09 10:40 AM   #5 
  - This is what we voted for!!!!!  orpupilofnature57   Oct-05-09 10:38 AM   #4 
  - I didn't vote for appeasement of the conservative Dems.  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:02 AM   #18 
     - OMG!  ProSense   Oct-05-09 11:03 AM   #20 
     - fail  dionysus   Oct-05-09 11:24 AM   #26 
     - Compared to a Shrubbed Universe, this is radical.  orpupilofnature57   Oct-05-09 11:36 AM   #28 
     - Shrub... just the mention reminds me how quickly we forget how good we got it right now.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 11:37 AM   #29 
     - And thats just what THEY want us to do.  orpupilofnature57   Oct-05-09 11:39 AM   #31 
     - So anything is better than nothing? I will celebrate if there is a solid public option available to  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:51 AM   #37 
     - Me too ,This is the Deciding factor ,Agreed.  orpupilofnature57   Oct-05-09 11:53 AM   #40 
     - If Obama pushed single payer universal healthcare through the door tomorrow, they'd still complain.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:10 PM   #53 
        - Let Obama push single payer universal health care through the door tomorrow I will not complain  Vincardog   Oct-05-09 01:35 PM   #80 
           - Obama never campaigned on single payer during the presidential race  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 04:16 PM   #112 
              - I saw it on the talking box with the pictures. Where were you when BO was for Universal health CARE?  Vincardog   Oct-05-09 04:20 PM   #114 
                 - Universal health care isn't necessarily single payer  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 04:22 PM   #115 
                    - And he never said he would get us out of Iraq, shut down GIT MO or do any of the things HE SAID HE  Vincardog   Oct-05-09 04:32 PM   #117 
                       - He said he would get us out of Iraq in 16 months  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 04:40 PM   #119 
                          - Don't bother with the details of the truth. Thats too much for such short attention spans.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 05:17 PM   #122 
                          - Can't help it. I have no tolerance for ignorance of the facts.  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 06:42 PM   #125 
                          - Yeah, out of Iraq ahead of schedule if you count leaving 50,000 "non-combat" troops behind  bertman   Oct-06-09 08:06 AM   #153 
                          - If you're right after 16 months then you have a point.  WonderGrunion   Oct-06-09 01:11 PM   #159 
                          - We are already 9 months into his administration - so you are saying in 7 months  WatchWhatISay   Oct-06-09 10:27 AM   #157 
                             - We've removed the trops from the countryside  WonderGrunion   Oct-06-09 05:21 PM   #160 
                                - I hope you are right, and I will be thrilled to give Obama credit  WatchWhatISay   Oct-07-09 12:26 PM   #161 
     - Yes anything actually is. Look at the history of social security and medicare and how they evolved.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:09 PM   #50 
     - No you won't... you'd still find something to bitch about  scheming daemons   Oct-05-09 12:09 PM   #51 
     - Yes, that's the key. If it's the "public option" Obama outlined in his speech he can keep it.  bread_and_roses   Oct-06-09 06:28 AM   #151 
        - Me, too, on all points. Not giving him a pass on a real public option  closeupready   Oct-06-09 09:00 AM   #155 
     - have to agree  AuntPatsy   Oct-05-09 10:43 PM   #131 
     - Who  Cha   Oct-05-09 02:05 PM   #86 
     - Who did you vote to appease?  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 04:14 PM   #111 
  - He better NOT rob me of my reconciliation joy!!!!  Clio the Leo   Oct-05-09 10:40 AM   #6 
  - Well, if Kent Conrad is "optimistic", then everything must be swell.  freddie mertz   Oct-05-09 10:43 AM   #7 
  - Its really bugging you that your constant negative blather is being turned on its face.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 11:29 AM   #27 
  - No, it's not.  freddie mertz   Oct-05-09 11:45 AM   #33 
     - No kidding. Notice folks are cheering when they don't even "know" what form of Public Option it is.  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:48 AM   #35 
     - How ironic that you say that as you engage in your own form of passive/aggressive booing.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 11:50 AM   #36 
        - Do you know what kind of plan this is? What kind of Public Option is this?  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:53 AM   #41 
           - Yes. I actually have paid attention to the 4 bills that have public option plans.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:06 PM   #46 
              - Well, I haven't been given a reason to trust anything yet. I am glad you  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:28 PM   #61 
                 - Thats fine for you to feel that way, but do you have to rain on everyone else's parade?  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:39 PM   #64 
                    - It is important not to "trust' these folks to give you what you need without leaning  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:48 PM   #67 
                       - Considering Obama's career and life history, I'd be very happy if he served his own interests.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:54 PM   #70 
                          - None of the politcians are really serving the people,  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:56 PM   #71 
                             - All the people Obama helped in the poor communities of Chicago disagree with you.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 01:12 PM   #75 
                             - I am not going to engage in further debate. Politicians, do what is necessary  saracat   Oct-05-09 01:23 PM   #78 
                                - Sorry if the truth of Obama's life long track record contradicts the way you wish to see things.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 02:54 PM   #92 
                                   - No politicians life contradicts their primary self interest.  saracat   Oct-05-09 03:00 PM   #93 
                                      - Your overgeneralizations of politicians is bordering on illogical bigotry.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 05:39 PM   #124 
                                         - I refuse to trade insults with you. Think as you wish .You are entitled to your beliefs.  saracat   Oct-06-09 03:07 AM   #147 
                             - That's your little small minded world..thankfully,  Cha   Oct-05-09 02:09 PM   #88 
                                - Power is the basis of social structure.  saracat   Oct-05-09 03:01 PM   #94 
     - I don't care about Conrad. Why are you ignoring that most of the good news in OP comes from Schumer?  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:07 PM   #47 
        - Because I don't trust Schumer either.I listen carefully to what they actually say.  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:25 PM   #60 
        - You apparently haven't studied Schumer's record then.  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 01:13 PM   #76 
           - I have. But he is a politician.I also listened to him talk about how extending  saracat   Oct-05-09 01:56 PM   #83 
              - So you dismiss Schumer because he's a politician? Unlike, say...  jenmito   Oct-05-09 03:31 PM   #96 
                 - Nope. Edwards is a politician too.Or he used to be.  saracat   Oct-05-09 03:33 PM   #97 
                 - And you trusted him. I don't recall you saying you didn't trust Edwards because he's  jenmito   Oct-05-09 03:42 PM   #102 
                    - I did trust him On the issues at least but I was a different person then.  saracat   Oct-05-09 04:04 PM   #109 
                       - That explains a lot then. I was a big Deaniac and felt betrayed too.  WonderGrunion   Oct-05-09 04:20 PM   #113 
                 - And another thing is that Schumer has a very watered downPO.  saracat   Oct-05-09 03:36 PM   #99 
                    - Hmmm...  jenmito   Oct-05-09 03:45 PM   #104 
        - Shumer is not exactly trustworthy either.  freddie mertz   Oct-05-09 03:59 PM   #108 
  - OK that was very funny Freddie.  grantcart   Oct-05-09 04:22 PM   #116 
  - the moderate dems know what they're doing.  unblock   Oct-05-09 10:44 AM   #8 
  - They also tend to hold out their votes for pork money  Hippo_Tron   Oct-05-09 03:35 PM   #98 
  - The public option for which he has this support....  Hepburn   Oct-05-09 10:47 AM   #9 
  - Yes, I always wich for more specifics when the PO is named, since it comes in so many variations.  GreenPartyVoter   Oct-05-09 10:55 AM   #14 
  - It sounds to me like we'll get a Wyden amendment for just that.  CTyankee   Oct-05-09 11:09 AM   #22 
     - I wonder if that is going to have to be timed in - as in - the exchanges open up to all in so many  Pirate Smile   Oct-05-09 12:36 PM   #63 
        - I'd like to think that could be the case...if so, tho, it's like a ticking time bomb for the hc  CTyankee   Oct-05-09 12:52 PM   #69 
  - Kent Conrad? Attractive package for conservative constituents?  saracat   Oct-05-09 10:49 AM   #10 
  - +1  polichick   Oct-05-09 10:50 AM   #12 
  - Deal with reality  ProSense   Oct-05-09 10:50 AM   #13 
  - Ahem. That says NOTHING.We still do not know what the final bill says.  saracat   Oct-05-09 10:57 AM   #16 
     - No, it says everything.  ProSense   Oct-05-09 12:02 PM   #43 
     - Where does it state anywhere what kind of Public Option is in the final bill?  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:07 PM   #48 
        - Think logically, they are not garnering support for an imaginary public option.  ProSense   Oct-05-09 12:11 PM   #54 
           - They are gathering support to have "some kind of public option".  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:51 PM   #68 
     - The whole purpose is to compete with the insurance companies to keep them honest  karynnj   Oct-05-09 12:09 PM   #52 
  - Why the skepticism that that are beginning to work out  karynnj   Oct-05-09 12:05 PM   #45 
     - I don't trust anything ANY politician says.Not Edwards , not Obama, not Schumer.  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:36 PM   #62 
        - It leaves me  Baltoman991   Oct-05-09 10:40 PM   #129 
  - The most interesting part of this post  sharp_stick   Oct-05-09 10:49 AM   #11 
  - Which public option is the question.  rudy23   Oct-05-09 03:45 PM   #103 
  - b-b-but I thought the WH made no calls in support of a public option????  HopeOverFear   Oct-05-09 10:57 AM   #15 
  - Maybe because this isn't a "solid" public option.Another article states that the president is  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:01 AM   #17 
  - The reason is that many people are more likely to be won over by  karynnj   Oct-05-09 12:13 PM   #55 
     - If we can't get 50 plus one votes from our own party when we are the majority  saracat   Oct-05-09 01:58 PM   #84 
        - No one is saying that we can't get 51 votes (and only 50 is needed - we have Biden)  karynnj   Oct-05-09 05:02 PM   #120 
           - I understand that.There is NO excuse for not getting a decent Public Option to protect the lives  saracat   Oct-06-09 02:55 AM   #145 
  - +1  Connie_Corleone   Oct-05-09 11:03 AM   #19 
  - The poll numbers in favor of the PO are the ultimate "handwriting on the wall."  CTyankee   Oct-05-09 11:07 AM   #21 
  - Thats why they got there ,I'll give them a couple more minutes.  orpupilofnature57   Oct-05-09 11:38 AM   #30 
  - Yeah, but what kind of public plan?  Arkana   Oct-05-09 11:13 AM   #23 
  - Exactly. What kind of plan.It matters.  saracat   Oct-05-09 11:52 AM   #39 
  - Comrade! Have you been skipping your re-education trainings!  bvar22   Oct-05-09 12:21 PM   #58 
     - Unlike you, most people realize what was on the table and are under no delusions. n/t  ProSense   Oct-05-09 12:57 PM   #72 
        - Oh? Then you must be willing to discuss the details.  bvar22   Oct-05-09 01:44 PM   #82 
           - "Please, save me from my 'delusions'" Go do your own research. The bills are available online  ProSense   Oct-05-09 02:01 PM   #85 
              - LOL. Afraid to answer the direct questions?  bvar22   Oct-05-09 02:08 PM   #87 
                 - Direct questions? Go do your own research. Anyone paying attention knows the answer.  ProSense   Oct-05-09 02:14 PM   #89 
                    - I have done the research.  bvar22   Oct-05-09 02:42 PM   #90 
                    - Well done.But then you are just not "optimistic" enough.  saracat   Oct-05-09 03:40 PM   #101 
                    - OOPS. I forgot the graphics.  bvar22   Oct-05-09 03:54 PM   #106 
                       - No need to include photos of your family. Stick to the facts. n/t  ProSense   Oct-05-09 11:10 PM   #134 
                    - "will be limited to those whom the For Profits have already discarded"  ProSense   Oct-05-09 03:50 PM   #105 
                    - Who do you think currently makes up "The Uninsured"?  bvar22   Oct-05-09 04:10 PM   #110 
                       - "Until I see a provision for a tough, well funded oversight agency that will ENFORCE"  ProSense   Oct-05-09 11:09 PM   #133 
                    - Thanks for the FACTS.  freddie mertz   Oct-05-09 03:57 PM   #107 
                    - bravo! i love you bvar22 and i wish i could recommend this post.  inna   Oct-05-09 11:00 PM   #132 
                       - "we are completely screwed." You want people to wake up to the fact that you're  ProSense   Oct-05-09 11:13 PM   #135 
                          - i don't expect you to be reasonable at this point. nm, it's ok.  inna   Oct-05-09 11:30 PM   #139 
                             - Maybe when health reform passes and fails, you can say "I told you so."  ProSense   Oct-05-09 11:32 PM   #140 
                    - Because hoarding info to yourself is how discussion boards work best! n/t  GOTV   Oct-06-09 09:44 AM   #156 
  - Probably whichever one the House passes  Hippo_Tron   Oct-05-09 03:37 PM   #100 
  - Nobody in the Democratic caucus will fail to vote for cloture.  Scarsdale Vibe   Oct-05-09 11:17 AM   #24 
  - But, but, he needs to show LEADERSHIP (whatever that means,)  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 11:22 AM   #25 
  - Ah. now we know why the Polanski pardon rumor was being pimped.  Orsino   Oct-05-09 11:44 AM   #32 
  - Seems like great news, but who can tell?  Vidar   Oct-05-09 11:47 AM   #34 
  - Good.  Vinca   Oct-05-09 11:51 AM   #38 
  - It's happening  BeyondGeography   Oct-05-09 02:50 PM   #91 
  - Which public option? Rockefeller's saves taxpayers $110 billion. Schumer's is weak public option.  flpoljunkie   Oct-05-09 12:01 PM   #42 
  - They have been pushing to increase support for the HELP bill's public option,  ProSense   Oct-05-09 12:05 PM   #44 
  - ANY kind of government offered option can be improved later. Ex: Social security and medicare  phleshdef   Oct-05-09 12:08 PM   #49 
  - Great point  karynnj   Oct-05-09 12:20 PM   #57 
  - That is one of the problems....  bvar22   Oct-05-09 12:47 PM   #66 
  - One question  karynnj   Oct-05-09 12:19 PM   #56 
  - This is a really factual representation.Thank you for this post!  saracat   Oct-05-09 12:42 PM   #65 
  - MY CONCERN: Mandate on all BUT a PO not open to all n/t  quantass   Oct-05-09 12:25 PM   #59 
  - Is an insurance exchange the same as a public option??  brightertomorrow   Oct-05-09 01:00 PM   #73 
  - No, it isn't.And all of these things mean different things to different folks  saracat   Oct-05-09 01:14 PM   #77 
     - +1  quantass   Oct-05-09 01:33 PM   #79 
     - Yes clarity is a real issue  brightertomorrow   Oct-05-09 03:12 PM   #95 
  - Conrad "I am Scandinavian"  WyLoochka   Oct-05-09 01:02 PM   #74 
  - And how many do they need... oh right 50 plus the VP....  Fearless   Oct-05-09 01:36 PM   #81 
  - It still baffles me how a PO can be debatable...A) Competition B) Lower Costs ..  quantass   Oct-05-09 04:39 PM   #118 
  - They have 54 to 56 votes, maybe? They need 60, right? I think so.  Honeycombe8   Oct-05-09 05:05 PM   #121 
  - No, as long as Democrats remain unified against a filibuster,  ProSense   Oct-05-09 08:21 PM   #126 
     - I thought it took 2/3 to pass the bill, not just block a filibuster. No?  Honeycombe8   Oct-06-09 12:46 PM   #158 
  - Obama is such a failure. Why can't he show any leadership? Why can't he seal the deal????  BlooInBloo   Oct-05-09 05:28 PM   #123 
  - GOBAMA .. working it .. for us nt  flamingdem   Oct-05-09 08:42 PM   #127 
  - "First of all, what exactly is or are Mad As Hell Doctors mad about?"  flyarm   Oct-05-09 09:48 PM   #128 
  - thank you for posting this, it's very important!  inna   Oct-05-09 11:16 PM   #136 
  - I refuse to believe that this is the plan they have for us..the repugs I would have no problem  AuntPatsy   Oct-05-09 11:53 PM   #142 
     - As a free and proud person I am entitled to know the definition  saracat   Oct-06-09 03:03 AM   #146 
  - perhaps the wh is playing to win for us in the end if it is true that  AuntPatsy   Oct-05-09 11:26 PM   #138 
  - If the public option is delayed until 2013, it becomes worthless  eridani   Oct-05-09 10:41 PM   #130 
  - I really doubt they're going to agree to  jeanpalmer   Oct-05-09 11:19 PM   #137 
  - According to the CBO  jeanpalmer   Oct-05-09 11:50 PM   #141 
  - By the way  jeanpalmer   Oct-06-09 12:10 AM   #143 
  - so-called PO is CRUMBS to be thrown to the base as a distraction.  inna   Oct-06-09 01:28 AM   #144 
  - Controversial elements?  moonbatmax   Oct-06-09 03:34 AM   #148 
  - Every TV asshole tells  Enthusiast   Oct-06-09 05:33 AM   #149 
  - So- does that mean he has 55???  stlsaxman   Oct-06-09 06:26 AM   #150 
  - 50+1  Deep13   Oct-06-09 07:41 AM   #152 
  - What are We Celebrating?  swilton   Oct-06-09 08:14 AM   #154 

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